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03-01-2012, 07:27 PM
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First Overall Pick

Which players would garner more than the 1st overall pick/Yakupov? Which would be equal?

(don't know if this has been done...)

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03-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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If it's Howson, he wants 3 first-line NHL players, 5 prospects ranked 8.0 or higher, 10 draft picks and a partridge in a pear tree.

Seriously speaking, I'd imagine the franchise with the 1st overall pick wants a young stud and pieces that help the franchise out (ofc, it means paying a high price).

Only valuable pieces than the 1st rounder IMO: Top defenseman and a First line center


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8 first rounders from the Canucks, Wings, Flyers, or Hawks.

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03-01-2012, 07:39 PM
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Good thread! it's fun to see how it adjusts from year to year.

Right now I'd say coming into this draft Yakupov = Hall. So that would be a lateral trade that I'm sure only Columbus would do at the moment.

A proven player is a little more hard because a team has to gauge potential, immediate impact, etc.

Maybe someone like... I don't know... Tough question. Good one though!

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Fantastic thread.

I mean, I don't have any answer for you, but what a great thread.

Good work bro!

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Maybe Columbus would trade the first overall pick for Carter, Filatov, Brule and a redo with Nash...

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03-01-2012, 07:52 PM
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Wow...were you in my head all day? I swear just today I was questioning this and I was thinking of making a similar thread.

I'd say:

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03-01-2012, 07:54 PM
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Doughty
Stamkos
Malkin
Crosby
Ovechkin
Karlsson
Kessel
Eberle
Hall
Tavares
Seguin
Duchene

Basically any player that is under 24 (other than Ovechkin) that has hit 70-80 points. If they are defenseman, if they have hit 50-60 points.

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Well this year is obviously not a draft with "the next one" or another more or less guaranteed all-star (lemieux, lindros, crosby, ovechkin etc.), so a first overall pick is very hard to put a price on. IMO it would have to be at least a #1 d-man, top line forward, or starting goalie and possibly + some other pieces.

You don't want to end up overpaying (lindros deal), so I doubt most teams would take the risk. Also, I believe the choice slightly increases the value, so a first overall draft pick is probably worth slightly more than the player ultimately drafted first overall.

If I had to name an exact price?

Say Nashville (I just picked a random team) wanted the top pick. My guess would be Ryan Suter and Patrick Hornqvist, or maybe Suter, a later pick, and the rights to Radulov.

Of course this would only happen if Suter wasn't going to resign with the Preds, and for whatever reason Nashville really wanted the top pick.

I have no idea what I'm doing.

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03-01-2012, 08:11 PM
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Judging from what he wants for Nash, if it were Colorado, they would probably ask for something like Stastny, Berrie/Elliott/Hishon/Siemens, Olver/Wilson/O'Byren, their 2013 1st, and their 2012 2nd.

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03-01-2012, 08:53 PM
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The Leafs will lose every game and finish with the #1 pick. We will draft Yakupov, unless an elite #1 is coming back. In all seriousness, we wont trade it.

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Judging from what he wants for Nash, if it were Colorado, they would probably ask for something like Stastny, Berrie/Elliott/Hishon/Siemens, Olver/Wilson/O'Byren, their 2013 1st, and their 2012 2nd.
It would start with Duchene, and Colorado would add.
That's what it would take, like it or not.

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Phanuef, Schenn, Leafs 1st

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It would take something like Yandle + 1st to get the deal done. No way 1st overall goes for less than a proven player and a deeper draft pick.

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Phanuef, Schenn, Leafs 1st
why would we give up 2 dmen to move up 1 spot

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What if Columbus decides that to rebuild, just getting the #1 pick won't do it.

Would they consider trading away that first over pick for something like

RD 1 - #10
RD 1 - #15
plus something like four 2nd round picks this year?

I'm not saying it would be done, but do you think the value is there? 6 of the top 60 picks versus just the 1st & 31st?

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if I'm CBJ I trade down, grab a Canadian, and use the leftovers to pick up more prospects. It's gonna be a long road...

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Why would the capitals want to trade it anyway?

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If the Oilers get the first overall pick again this year, I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a package to aqcuire a defenceman like Shea Weber. I dunno what else you'd need to add, but there isn't much I wouldn't throw in there.

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There's quite a few players worth more than the 1st overall as they are already proven talents. Too tired to list.


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If the Oilers get the first overall pick again this year, I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a package to aqcuire a defenceman like Shea Weber. I dunno what else you'd need to add, but there isn't much I wouldn't throw in there.
I would trade down to draft a dman if we could add a piece or two to the deal and get a top pairing dman out of it. I wouldn't trade it outright however, unless the offer was something ridiculous.

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What if Columbus decides that to rebuild, just getting the #1 pick won't do it.

Would they consider trading away that first over pick for something like

RD 1 - #10
RD 1 - #15
plus something like four 2nd round picks this year?

I'm not saying it would be done, but do you think the value is there? 6 of the top 60 picks versus just the 1st & 31st?
Using the NFL standard draft chart, the #2 pick would be equal to:
#3 and a second-rounder
#4 and #21
#5 and #18
#6 and #16
#7 and #14
#8 and #12
#9 and #10

The #1 pick, obviously, would be substantially more than that. That'd look more like:
#2 and a second-rounder
#3 and #21
#4 and #12
#5 and #10
#6 and #8
#7, #8, and something more

Of course, the chart assumes everything is average. In a year with a clear-cut #1, the value of that pick would skyrocket. In a year with a clear-cut top three, the drop from #3 to #4 would be enormous.

For this year, the St. Louis Rams have put the #2 overall pick on the trade block. They've apparently received an offer from Washington. It's the #6 overall pick, plus next year's 1st-rounder, plus "multiple" other picks from this year's draft. That's according to Mike Jones of the Washington Post.

Terry Pluto is also reporting that Cleveland would have to give up their first-rounder this year (#4), Atlanta's first-rounder (#22, previously acquired), and their first-rounder next year. That's to move up just two spots.

Now, keep in mind that the NFL is much more likely to have obvious impact players all over the board due to the number of positions. In the NHL, there tends to be a very small number clustered at the top. In a year where there's a clear #1 and question marks galore after that, this year's #1 pick would probably have an enormous value. Not quite like the Lindros package, but not exactly Nazem Kadri and the #13 pick either.

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If the Oilers get the first overall pick again this year, I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a package to aqcuire a defenceman like Shea Weber. I dunno what else you'd need to add, but there isn't much I wouldn't throw in there.
Same. Assuming Mr. Weber wants to play for Oilers and not pull a Carter (Jeff and Vince).

Weber can sign an offersheet and/or file for arbitration (I believe) making him an UFA in a year.

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why would we give up 2 dmen to move up 1 spot
we wont need to move up any spots to get the #1 pick.

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Doughty
Stamkos
Malkin
Crosby
Ovechkin
Karlsson
Kessel
Eberle
Hall
Tavares
Seguin
Duchene

Basically any player that is under 24 (other than Ovechkin) that has hit 70-80 points. If they are defenseman, if they have hit 50-60 points.
Wow, that may be the "value" of that pick, but I wouldn't trade almost anyone on this list for that pick...

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