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03-01-2012, 04:30 PM
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Care to substantiate your prediction? You may think your arrogance is enough to convince people you disagree with but it doesn't fly with me. In fact it only convinces me to scratch you as someone I'd rather not read.
If your plan was to try to offend me, you haven't succeeded. Keep trying though.

I'll play your game because I feel like being nice today:
He's a good coach with the right mindset for hockey. He looked at the roster and went "Hmmm these boys aren't talented enough to wheel and deal. What they need is a responsible, hard fought north-south game." He doesn't coach the trap as good as Martin but I see that as a positive. He promotes physical play and backing each other up as well as forechecking. The good old "backcheck forecheck crosscheck."

And that's the right mindset to win hockey games to me. He'll learn the "Details" of being a good coach as he continues to be an NHL assistant coach and then head coach. Just like our other mighty fine ex-Montréal coaches.

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03-01-2012, 05:09 PM
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If your plan was to try to offend me, you haven't succeeded. Keep trying though.

I'll play your game because I feel like being nice today:
He's a good coach with the right mindset for hockey. He looked at the roster and went "Hmmm these boys aren't talented enough to wheel and deal. What they need is a responsible, hard fought north-south game." He doesn't coach the trap as good as Martin but I see that as a positive. He promotes physical play and backing each other up as well as forechecking. The good old "backcheck forecheck crosscheck."

And that's the right mindset to win hockey games to me. He'll learn the "Details" of being a good coach as he continues to be an NHL assistant coach and then head coach. Just like our other mighty fine ex-Montréal coaches.
Best post I have read all day People need to give RC a bit of a break on here

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03-01-2012, 05:16 PM
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If your plan was to try to offend me, you haven't succeeded. Keep trying though.

I'll play your game because I feel like being nice today:
He's a good coach with the right mindset for hockey. He looked at the roster and went "Hmmm these boys aren't talented enough to wheel and deal. What they need is a responsible, hard fought north-south game." He doesn't coach the trap as good as Martin but I see that as a positive. He promotes physical play and backing each other up as well as forechecking. The good old "backcheck forecheck crosscheck."

And that's the right mindset to win hockey games to me. He'll learn the "Details" of being a good coach as he continues to be an NHL assistant coach and then head coach. Just like our other mighty fine ex-Montréal coaches.
As much as a I respect what your saying. I don't think that is a fair analysis.

Barry Trotz has nothing to work with offensively. Dave Tippet has nothing to work with at all. And to an extent, look at how Hitchcock 180'd the blues overnight.


Having the "Right mindset" and actually applying it to the W columns is what separates "good coaches" to "elite coaches"

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03-01-2012, 05:19 PM
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If your plan was to try to offend me, you haven't succeeded. Keep trying though.

I'll play your game because I feel like being nice today:
He's a good coach with the right mindset for hockey. He looked at the roster and went "Hmmm these boys aren't talented enough to wheel and deal. What they need is a responsible, hard fought north-south game." He doesn't coach the trap as good as Martin but I see that as a positive. He promotes physical play and backing each other up as well as forechecking. The good old "backcheck forecheck crosscheck."

And that's the right mindset to win hockey games to me. He'll learn the "Details" of being a good coach as he continues to be an NHL assistant coach and then head coach. Just like our other mighty fine ex-Montréal coaches.
and that's the problem right there... made the wrong assumptions, bad evaluation of his players...

you may make mistakes as your learning, but there's one thing that needs to be shown and it's the ability to evaluate your players...

and if when looking at guys like Plekanec, DD, Gionta, Cammy, Gomez, Noke + a 7th D on the 4th line he thought that heavy forecheck is the way to go...

then clearly he doesnt have it...

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If your plan was to try to offend me, you haven't succeeded. Keep trying though.

I'll play your game because I feel like being nice today:
He's a good coach with the right mindset for hockey. He looked at the roster and went "Hmmm these boys aren't talented enough to wheel and deal. What they need is a responsible, hard fought north-south game." He doesn't coach the trap as good as Martin but I see that as a positive. He promotes physical play and backing each other up as well as forechecking. The good old "backcheck forecheck crosscheck."

And that's the right mindset to win hockey games to me. He'll learn the "Details" of being a good coach as he continues to be an NHL assistant coach and then head coach. Just like our other mighty fine ex-Montréal coaches.
I'm not sure of RC ever learning the fine details or becoming a true student of the game, just as I don't see him being a student of "french".

He is what he is and if that's what a GM is looking for in a coach, he's their guy.

When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Fine carpentry, not so much.

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Fine, that's what you see in him and that's fair. I see something else.

@Lemons, these coaches are the Martin comparisons. Trotz plays according to what he's dealt: great goalie and great defence. He'd be a fool to play anything else and it obviously works. Tippett's team is a lot like ours except without their Price. And guess what? They're in that 8th place/1st round exit carousel. Yes they work with a smaller budget but still. No results.

Hitchcock has a solid team built in the exact same way the Bruins are built. Solid defence, tough deep forward core and 2 capable goalies. And they play exactly like them under Hitchcock.

I also think this Habs team -every now and then- tends to go back to the Martin way of lacking forecheck and attempting the trap instead of simple backchecking. Like they need to be reminded to play the new strategy.

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03-01-2012, 09:14 PM
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RC has to officially be the dumbest coach in hockey.

4-2 lead, empty net, puts Desharnais, who is probably the last center you want on the ice defending a lead(after Gomez), out there to defend not once, but even after Minnesotta makes it 4-3.

This is right up there with putting Engqvist, Blunden, Weber, Campoli and Darche on a defensive zone faceoff at the end of the period in a 1-1 game, which ended up causing the game winning goal.

This guy is either deliberately tanking or is clueless.

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Also, does RC hate Plekanec or something? He's always playing with grinders and gets zero powerplay time. He also rarely gets offensive zone faceoffs anymore.

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Also, does RC hate Plekanec or something? He's always playing with grinders and gets zero powerplay time. He also rarely gets offensive zone faceoffs anymore.
I liked Healy's comment: Helicopter line.

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The Chicken Little syndrome keeps me coming back. Too funny!

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RC has to officially be the dumbest coach in hockey.

4-2 lead, empty net, puts Desharnais, who is probably the last center you want on the ice defending a lead(after Gomez), out there to defend not once, but even after Minnesotta makes it 4-3.

This is right up there with putting Engqvist, Blunden, Weber, Campoli and Darche on a defensive zone faceoff at the end of the period in a 1-1 game, which ended up causing the game winning goal.

This guy is either deliberately tanking or is clueless.
I think that was very dumb of Randy. But according to some, DD's our best center and is better in his own zone than Pleks because he has a better +/-.

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I liked Healy's comment: Helicopter line.
I'm calling it that from now on.

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RC has to officially be the dumbest coach in hockey.

4-2 lead, empty net, puts Desharnais, who is probably the last center you want on the ice defending a lead(after Gomez), out there to defend not once, but even after Minnesotta makes it 4-3.

This is right up there with putting Engqvist, Blunden, Weber, Campoli and Darche on a defensive zone faceoff at the end of the period in a 1-1 game, which ended up causing the game winning goal.

This guy is either deliberately tanking or is clueless.
or both

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