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03-01-2012, 11:12 AM
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Jesus... Zherdev on this squad is like trying to make a jack-hammer better by putting lip stick on it.

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03-01-2012, 11:31 AM
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You're joking, right?

He was completely, insanely misused by Campbell that prompted the trade to Pens in Kovalev's first stint with the Rangers. He was doing quite fine while he played in Pittsburgh for the most part. He totally sucked during his second stint with the Rangers but it was for less than 1 year. Then again he was doing quite well with the Canadiens even becoming their captain, maybe with an exception for his last year there. And in Ottawa he was already finished as a productive player. Where did you get for the most of his career is beyond me.
Not kidding at all. I never said he was bad, simply that he could have put up much better numbers than he did. He was insanely skilled similar to Zherdev, for what ever reason he didn't take advantage of it. He could have scored at will a lot of times. The things Kovalev could do with a puck were amazing, he just didn't want to do it.

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03-01-2012, 11:59 AM
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1 word. effort.

guy had all world talent, but didnt work hard enough shift in and shift out. very much like Wolski.
Hes much better than WW, but i still would not want his effort level. Even Semin gets criticized who is more skilled and gives more effort than he did.

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03-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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he made things look effortless and therefore never looks like he's putting forth the effort. so when he does, it's hard to notice. i think he get's an unfair label of being the aloof type of hockey player. his problem is he did not bring consistent effort night in and night out so when he WAS floating and not being the impact player he's paid to be, it was really easy to jump on his case. the other thing was his contract made it impossible for us to qualify him so i ~think~ we wanted to resign Z but it was impossible for his agent to accept a lower offer from us so off to Russia he went. When he came back, the Flyers were really the wrong team for Z to sign. He needed to be on Detroit playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Would have had a career season there. Going back to Russia a second time, he's really gave himself the label as a guy who doesn't persevere and unwilling to stick it through so now I doubt any team will give him enough money to want to come back and unless he develops a burning desire to come back, I can't see him compromising his pride to return.

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03-01-2012, 02:57 PM
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I remember thinking one of these days Zherdev will bury the goal of the year. He made it look effortless, dangling through everyone on the ice, sometimes twice but after all that he'd miss the net or hit the goalie in the chest. The year after he left, imagine him as secondary scoring behind Gabby. We could have finished 6th or so but we ended up in 9th. I also know full well he would have been a better 3rd shooter than Olli in that infamous shootout
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03-01-2012, 03:39 PM
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Remember his goal against the Penguins?
I was at that game. Maybe the best game I've been to.

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Zherdev is an individualist out on the ice. Plays for himself, not for his team... Not enough heart, not enough effort, not enough desire. Un-coachable, as many coaches have figured out. He is the antithesis of what we have developed with this current team.

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03-01-2012, 05:11 PM
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While I wish that I could find any possible way to justify getting Z back on the Rangers, this team is built around hard work. He wouldn't fit in, just like Wolski didn't.

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Kovalev 2.0 in a way. Massive skillset, no heart.
How? What?

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Not kidding at all. I never said he was bad, simply that he could have put up much better numbers than he did. He was insanely skilled similar to Zherdev, for what ever reason he didn't take advantage of it. He could have scored at will a lot of times. The things Kovalev could do with a puck were amazing, he just didn't want to do it.
1000+ regular season points
100 playoff points
1300 games
1st Russian to have his name on the Stanley Cup (along with 3 teammates)
21 points in 23 playoff games as a 2nd year player during the '94 Cup run

I get that people think he could've done more (they same the same things about Jagr), but you can't dispute that he's had a top 10 career of any Russian that has played the game (so far). So tired of people saying stuff like "lazy" and "could've been better" when talking about Kovalev and Jagr and Kovalev, in particular, because we don't win the Cup without him.

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03-01-2012, 07:41 PM
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Kovalev 2.0 in a way. Massive skillset, no heart.
Kovalev was 3 times the player Zherdev is. When he actually tried, he ran the show. He may not have had much heart, but to score over 1000 points you have to give some sort of effort. Now if Kovy had Cally's heart, he would have been up there with Messier, Lemeiux, Jagr, and all of the other guys who are considered generational talents.

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03-01-2012, 08:42 PM
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Half the player Kovalev was.
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1000+ regular season points
100 playoff points
1300 games
1st Russian to have his name on the Stanley Cup (along with 3 teammates)
21 points in 23 playoff games as a 2nd year player during the '94 Cup run

I get that people think he could've done more (they same the same things about Jagr), but you can't dispute that he's had a top 10 career of any Russian that has played the game (so far). So tired of people saying stuff like "lazy" and "could've been better" when talking about Kovalev and Jagr and Kovalev, in particular, because we don't win the Cup without him.
Neat.

I'm simply saying he could have done even better. I didn't discredit any of his achievements...

I'm actually complimenting him.

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03-01-2012, 08:58 PM
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Saying that a player "could have done better" is a lame way of complimenting someone... although it IS a compliment.

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What I never understood was he just like collapsed. Like he was really good and then like mid-season just stopped everything.

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1000+ regular season points
100 playoff points
1300 games
1st Russian to have his name on the Stanley Cup (along with 3 teammates)
21 points in 23 playoff games as a 2nd year player during the '94 Cup run

I get that people think he could've done more (they same the same things about Jagr), but you can't dispute that he's had a top 10 career of any Russian that has played the game (so far). So tired of people saying stuff like "lazy" and "could've been better" when talking about Kovalev and Jagr and Kovalev, in particular, because we don't win the Cup without him.
Because Kovalev could have scored a lot more points if he didn't come around like Leap year.

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1 word. effort.

guy had all world talent, but didnt work hard enough shift in and shift out. very much like Wolski.
Funny that you mentioned Wolski---on another forum, I compared WW to Zheredev. Both could be stars in the NHL if they cared.

As for Kovalev, he's back in the KHL now...but he played over 1300 games in the NHL---you can't have that long a career if you don't put in the effort.

I'll take a Boyle over a Zheredev any day...Boyle busts his butt. The one thing you cannot really coach is effort.

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03-02-2012, 01:34 AM
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Funny that you mentioned Wolski---on another forum, I compared WW to Zheredev. Both could be stars in the NHL if they cared.

As for Kovalev, he's back in the KHL now...but he played over 1300 games in the NHL---you can't have that long a career if you don't put in the effort.

I'll take a Boyle over a Zheredev any day...Boyle busts his butt. The one thing you cannot really coach is effort.
Wolski does care, he just didn't do the other little things that torts demanded, therefore he cut his ice time and eventually just sat him. Wolski needs ice time to score. Right away he's making an impact for Florida because they're giving him minutes. Wolski just wasn't meant to be for the Rangers. I'm very happy for him though, he's finally getting to play.

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03-02-2012, 02:30 AM
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Cant believe you guys dont think Kovalev didnt have the heart and floated.

Randy Moss put up huge numbers too, and he has no heart, and floated... same ****.

Coldshot and Underhill making sense.

Put Zherdev in the mid 90's and see what his points totals are.

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03-02-2012, 02:43 AM
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Cant believe you guys dont think Kovalev didnt have the heart and floated.

Randy Moss put up huge numbers too, and he has no heart, and floated... same ****.

Coldshot and Underhill making sense.

Put Zherdev in the mid 90's and see what his points totals are.
Why is that hard to believe? The dude was the biggest floater for a decade. Could have easily been a 100 point player every season in his prime if he wanted to come to the rink and give it his all.

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Why is that hard to believe? The dude was the biggest floater for a decade. Could have easily been a 100 point player every season in his prime if he wanted to come to the rink and give it his all.
He had a double negative in his sentence. He was agreeing with you.

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Cant believe you guys dont think Kovalev didnt have the heart and floated.

Randy Moss put up huge numbers too, and he has no heart, and floated... same ****.

Coldshot and Underhill making sense.

Put Zherdev in the mid 90's and see what his points totals are.
Put Zherdev on the 94 team and we are still thirsting for a cup.

1940!

You miss that chant? Well thanks to the guy who played with no heart you don't have to hear it anymore. He played a huge part of that team and went on to have a great NHL career, stop hating.

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Put Zherdev on the 94 team and we are still thirsting for a cup.

1940!

You miss that chant? Well thanks to the guy who played with no heart you don't have to hear it anymore. He played a huge part of that team and went on to have a great NHL career, stop hating.
Its not hating, its recognizing the fact the guy never played to his ceiling. ONE playoff run... and you seriously dont think Richter or Messier had a lot more to do with that whole season? You must have a Kovalev picture above your bed.

He had a good career, just not the one he should've had.

He's Randy Moss.

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