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03-01-2012, 03:16 PM
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By 'always' do you mean since 1995?
I meant on a yearly basis, not always as in forever. You could expect the 8 best teams annually.

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Just wasn't the first time in this post someone assumed the AL Central team was a minnow and we're talking about a hockey forum. Sometimes I gotta assume a good majority of the board does not know baseball.

The NL Central is closer to your example on an annual basis.
I understand.

FTR, i'm a White Sox fan, and there are certainly worse divisions than ours.

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I understand.

FTR, i'm a White Sox fan, and there are certainly worse divisions than ours.
White Sox and the Tigers, the only two teams to do anything in the playoffs out of the division. Every time the Twins make it they are USELESS in the playoffs and they make everyone think the division is useless.

So going off the records Admirals produced, the two WC teams will usually be separated by 2-5 wins? In that case, win your division and you won't have to deal with this problem.

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FWIW, as long I did not miss anything, the only year the Blue Jays qualify for this extra game would have been 1998 playing in this division with these 4 other teams. (1998 was Tampa's 1st year) A few years had them within 2-5 games of the play-in game.

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This is such a stupid proposal, but what else would you expect from Bud Selig? (Not that it really matters but for the record I'm a Red Sox fan.) Why try to "fix" something that isn't broken?

Just take a look at last year. The Rays and Cardinals make monumental comebacks and clinch playoff spots on the last day of the season at the expense of the Red Sox and Braves. Under the new proposal those teams would then meet in a one game playoff. It's a real possibility that Boston and Atlanta could have won their respective playoff games and advanced to the LDS at the expense of 2 great stories and the eventual World Series champion. That's a joke. The Braves and Red Sox didn't deserve another chance to make the playoffs, if they hadn't stumbled down the stretch they would have made it on their own merit.

Also for the record it's beyond dumb that the All-Star game decides home field advantage in the World Series.

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the mlb should contract 2 teams. there's too many damn teams in the league. maybe then they wouldn't need stupid ideas like having 2 wild cards. the pirates and athletics are the least valuable. contract them; it works out perfect.

nhl and nba have too many teams as well

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the mlb should contract 2 teams. there's too many damn teams in the league. maybe then they wouldn't need stupid ideas like having 2 wild cards. the pirates and athletics are the least valuable. contract them; it works out perfect.

nhl and nba have too many teams as well
Hahahahaha!

So your solution to ''fix'' MLB is to contract a 111 year old franchise that just had an Oscar nominated movie made about them and a 130 years old franchise that never relocated, is getting much better recently and had quite a good run last year that generated some excitement!




That'll make the MLB popular for sure! Yes, destroying the most storied and beloved franchises in the league is the solution to MLB's woes!


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This pretty much sucks.

Baseball is a game about large sample sizes. You play 162 friggen games, it's a long grind. In 162 games, you figure out who the best teams are. And then you want to play 1 damn game where a team with 95 wins can play one with 85, and the superior 95 team can have an injury, a fluke error, etc. end their season? Such crap.

That being said, it will certainly be 1 incredibly exciting night of baseball
What are you whining about? That 95-win team wouldn't even be in the playoffs in the first place without the Wild Card.

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Hahahahaha!

So your solution to ''fix'' MLB is to contract a 111 year old franchise that just had an Oscar nominated movie made about them and a 130 years old franchise that never relocated, is getting much better recently and had quite a good run last year that generated some excitement!




That'll make the MLB popular for sure! Yes, destroying the most storied and beloved franchises in the league is the solution to MLB's woes!

so the mlb should keep useless franchises around bc of a movie? pretty good thinking there big guy. the athletics and pirates are not the yankees, cubs, cardinals, red sox. hardly anyone would care. don't be ignant. it would be better for the league. even guys that work in baseball think the league should contract. look at these dumb gimmicks they've resorted to. a 1 game series? gimme a break

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so the mlb should keep useless franchises around bc of a movie? pretty good thinking there big guy. the athletics and pirates are not the yankees, cubs, cardinals, red sox. hardly anyone would care. don't be ignant. it would be better for the league. even guys that work in baseball think the league should contract. look at these dumb gimmicks they've resorted to. a 1 game series? gimme a break
Flawed logic is flawed. You inherently dodged the main criticism of the post that attacked you: that contracting two of the longer running franchises is the correct solution. It would be like suggesting (hypothetically of course, and for a lack of a better example) the contraction of the Canadiens if Montreal as a market wasn't doing well and the team sucked.

Contracting two of baseball's most history rich franchises? gimme a break

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Flawed logic is flawed. You inherently dodged the main criticism of the post that attacked you: that contracting two of the longer running franchises is the correct solution. It would be like suggesting (hypothetically of course, and for a lack of a better example) the contraction of the Canadiens if Montreal as a market wasn't doing well and the team sucked.

Contracting two of baseball's most history rich franchises? gimme a break
my logic involves money and how the pirates and athletics are the least valuable teams. the pirates and a's do nothing for the mlb. contacting teams with less history that make more money would be retarded.

the islanders have more history than the avalanche. if i gotta choose one, i'm contracting the islanders. history means nothing when a team doesn't make enough money.

the mlb, nhl, and nba have too many crappy and irrelevant teams. less teams= less crap. less teams= a better overall product


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What are you whining about? That 95-win team wouldn't even be in the playoffs in the first place without the Wild Card.
I like the 1 wild card, 4 teams each format. So what's your point?

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my logic involves money and how the pirates and athletics are the least valuable teams.
If your logic involved money, you would realize that fewer teams means less revenue, because dropping two teams means fewer home games for the big revenue generators like Philadelphia, Boston, and the Yankees. We're talking millions of dollars in lost revenue for the biggest clubs.

My beef with this new playoff format is that it's an attempt at a compromise between the "conservatives" that want just the four best teams and the more "progressive" fans that want a 6-team, NFL-style postseason. I'm fine with one format or the other, but in trying to please everyone, they satisfy no one. What does a one-game playoff after a 162 game season tell us? That flukes happen? We already know that, that's why there's a 162 game season. God forbid Bud Selig be sensible about something.

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If your logic involved money, you would realize that fewer teams means less revenue, because dropping two teams means fewer home games for the big revenue generators like Philadelphia, Boston, and the Yankees. We're talking millions of dollars in lost revenue for the biggest clubs.
Uhh - no.

The MLB schedule has been 162 games since 1962 - when the AL & NL each had only 10 teams and there was no inter-league play. Since then, MLB has expanded to 30 teams, re-aligned divisions multiple teams, and added varying amounts of inter-league play, and guess what - the schedule is still 162 games, unchanged over that 50 years.

So why, pray tell, would a hypothetical contraction of a couple of teams change that?

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way to ruin the best post season in sports
Especially after game 162 last year

Good luck getting that type of dramatics again with this cash grab

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I don't get baseball. With 100 games left in the season half the teams are pretty much out of playoff contention. and you people love that!

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Oh man this is dumb.

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MLB has officially announced the expanded format. For 2012 only the Division Series will open with two home games for lower ranked teams, and continue with three home games for top ranked teams. This will cut down on travel time and make the Wild Card play-in game possible.
So a 100 win team wins their division and faces a 90 win wildcard team on the road for two games before the 100 win team gets a home game.

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Oh man this is dumb.



So a 100 win team wins their division and faces a 90 win wildcard team on the road for two games before the 100 win team gets a home game.
Damn, can't say I like that. I feel the WC team should suffer the travel wear-and-tear.

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I don't get baseball. With 100 games left in the season half the teams are pretty much out of playoff contention. and you people love that!
Because not everything is about everyone making the playoffs.

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Because not everything is about everyone making the playoffs.
Please elaborate. I thought the point of the baseball season was to win the world series and to do that you have to make the playoffs. I'm not being facetious, I want to know what it is about. I can understand the European soccer model when terrible teams still have something to play for as to not get relogated. Makes for interesting games.

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