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02-12-2012, 07:57 AM
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I always thought it was more of an American thing.

Of course, AV did play his pro hockey in the states, so..
It is an American thing. Kinda like Canadian CFLers and football broadcasters saying "I tell you what" all the bloody time. It's just culture contact, annoying as it may be.

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How about rather than firing Vigneault he goes on some sort of work-share. Maybe Scotty Bowman and he can split the duties?
I thought that Vig was the reincarnation of Scotty Bowman?

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Anyone wonder if we don't win the cup this season with a fairly healthy lineup, does AV still keep his job?

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AV knows how to get the most out of his players and develop them properly.

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Anyone wonder if we don't win the cup this season with a fairly healthy lineup, does AV still keep his job?
As always, it depends when we get eliminated, how it happens, and who else is available. I don't think Gillis will ever fire him unless there's someone he clearly thinks can do a better job.

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Anyone wonder if we don't win the cup this season with a fairly healthy lineup, does AV still keep his job?
Yes, unless he bows out of the 1st or 2nd round IMO.

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Anyone wonder if we don't win the cup this season with a fairly healthy lineup, does AV still keep his job?
Unless the loss is directly attributed to Vigneault, why would you do so?

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Unless the loss is directly attributed to Vigneault, why would you do so?
Why does any cup contending coach ever get fired?

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say there are 30 construction companies.. and you finish in the top 2, 2 years in a row for profit.

should you fire the CEO? the system the cancuks play is owning the NHL. that is a product of the coach.

however, i do question some of his line decisions.. namely raymond on the second.

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Why does any cup contending coach ever get fired?
Because its easier than trading Ovechkin?

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Yes, unless he bows out of the 1st or 2nd round IMO.
What if injuries run rampant? I think it depends.

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As always, it depends when we get eliminated, how it happens, and who else is available. I don't think Gillis will ever fire him unless there's someone he clearly thinks can do a better job.
Yeah you probably got it bang on.

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even if Mike Babcock was available.

I don't know if we really want to change.

Our players connect with AV, and until that stops, I think AV's job security is safe.

Remember when AV was about to get fired? Burrows stepped up.

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I'm on AV's side as it stands right now.

He's got the best out of a lot of players.

Especially guys like Hansen and Lapierre who are an understated part of the team.

The system we play under him is really strong and things we used to get mad at like

"why are we trying to ride out a 1 goal lead!?"

have become the norm as riding out 1 goal leads is now one of the teams greatest strengths, as evidenced by our record when leading into the third period.

He has done a good job so far:

1 Presidents' Trophy
1 Finals Berth
34154356363 Divison Titles

And in contention for another Presidents' Trophy and hopefully a long playoffs to boot.

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Please tell me the majority of people are not in favour of firing this guy. He clearly seems to get the best out of this team and his personality seems almost perfect for this team at this time.

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Please tell me the majority of people are not in favour of firing this guy. He clearly seems to get the best out of this team and his personality seems almost perfect for this team at this time.
No kidding, he's a fantastic coach who has his team in first place in the NHL for the second year in a row and took us to game 7 of the finals. He's even proven the ability to change styles from defence to offence which is something many coaches can't do. He's fun, he laughs, he is good with the media, he gets results. I don't always agree with his moves but there is honestly not a single guy out there I'd replace him with.

I is a talented, beautiful, funny guy.

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Why does any cup contending coach ever get fired?
this isn't an excuse for a litany of terrible decisions and it's not a reason to fire somebody

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If the Canucks don't win a Stanley Cup this season, I think Vigneault's future is very much in doubt.

Mike Gillis has given Vigneault the team he wants and feels comfortable with, if he doesn't bring home the big prize, it's certainly not a given he'll be back.

As for all the success he's had, it's a fair point. But as strange as this sounds, I feel this team has underachieved in the playoffs under this coach.

Honestly, does anybody feel the Canucks wouldn't have won these division titles under any other good NHL coach?

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I don't think we've got any more talent on paper than San Jose yet we consistently do as well or better than them.

Look at the Hawks the last two years.

Why can't Mike Babcock's team win on the road?

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I don't think we've got any more talent on paper than San Jose yet we consistently do as well or better than them.
Better goaltending and better defense. And it's not consistently, last year was the first year we did better than San Jose.

As for Babcock, that Detroit team is getting pretty old - guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom are not the same players anymore. They haven't done a great job replacing them so far. I don't think there's any doubt that Babcock is the better coach, at least in my mind.

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Better goaltending and better defense. And it's not consistently, last year was the first year we did better than San Jose.

As for Babcock, that Detroit team is getting pretty old - guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom are not the same players anymore. They haven't done a great job replacing them so far. I don't think there's any doubt that Babcock is a better coach, at least in my mind.
Why can't they win on the road?

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Why can't they win on the road?
As I said, their team is not as good as it once was, so perhaps they're getting exposed on the road where Babcock can't get the defensive match-ups he wants. Why is it relevant?

Would anyone actually trade our current roster for Detroits? I don't think so. Yet they are right behind us in the standings.

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As I said, their team is not as good as it once was, so perhaps they're getting exposed on the road where Babcock can't get the defensive match-ups he wants. Why is it relevant?

Would anyone actually trade our current roster for Detroits? I don't think so. Yet they are right behind us in the standings.
It depends. Do you think you can replace Lidstrom with Suter? If so, it's not like Datsyuk or Zetterberg are creeping in on the old age home.

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Why can't they win on the road?
Home Dove Advantage - a system Babcock helped implement at home, but unfortunately it falls on the wayside on the road. "I...prefer...Irish...Spring" -Pavel Datsyuk

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