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03-02-2012, 09:08 PM
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I'm watching London vs Oshawa right now, and Olli Maatta looks very steady so far. I wouldn't mind picking him with our 3rd round pick, or even our late 2nd.

Edit: Or not, I just quickly looked at Craig Button's list before and he had him ranked 53rd, but apparently he's a high first round pick with everyone else.
Maybe still around with our 2nd rounder the Nashville pick

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03-02-2012, 10:32 PM
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You'd **** in your pants with a defense like that but i'd still take galchenyuk Grigorenko Forsberg we need more offense than defense for sure.
But we need the right offensive players and the right mix on offense.

If Yakupov gets 30 points more than Cammy or AK ever did then that is big improvement for the team but if Grigorenko gets 5 more points a year than DD or Forsberg 5 or 10 more points than Eller, to me this opportunity was wasted with more or less nothing to show for it.

Murray or Dumba will likely be a big improvement over Diaz or Weber.

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03-02-2012, 10:45 PM
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Hello you prospects pros. Who is this guy: Seth Griffith, He seems to have pretty good stats, he is 18 years old, yet undrafted? any reason why? He plays in the same team as Tinordi

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Hello you prospects pros. Who is this guy: Seth Griffith, He seems to have pretty good stats, he is 18 years old, yet undrafted? any reason why? He plays in the same team as Tinordi
Will probably get drafted in a later round his year

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03-02-2012, 11:29 PM
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Hello you prospects pros. Who is this guy: Seth Griffith, He seems to have pretty good stats, he is 18 years old, yet undrafted? any reason why? He plays in the same team as Tinordi
Here's a thread on him from the prospects board:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1075267

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03-02-2012, 11:50 PM
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Maybe still around with our 2nd rounder the Nashville pick
Maata in the second round ? LATE ?

If we can get him there i'd go crazy and I'd put down Pont Champlain and Échangeur Turco by myself.
He's gone by rank 25 for sure.

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03-02-2012, 11:51 PM
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Despite all the negative reports on Grigorenko, the man remains a very enticing prospect. What he could become in 5 years time is really interesting. He has all the tools to become a top 15 NHL player. Does he have that "drive" though that separates the elite from the good? Galchenyuk and Forsberg appear to have that... questions, questions.

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03-03-2012, 12:00 AM
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Despite all the negative reports on Grigorenko, the man remains a very enticing prospect. What he could become in 5 years time is really interesting. He has all the tools to become a top 15 NHL player. Does he have that "drive" though that separates the elite from the good? Galchenyuk and Forsberg appear to have that... questions, questions.
It's weird.
We've had the same thing in Andrei Kostitsyn. He had all the tools.
Yet it lacked some things.
Drive was one of them.
We missed on lesser talent players yet they had the drive. Corey Perry was one of them.

Now Forsberg and Galchenyuk level of talent isnt far from Grigo.
But the drive is.

All the Grigo fanboys do like Grigo was Mario and Forsberg/Galch were Patrick Traverse.

Eck.

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03-03-2012, 12:00 AM
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1st - Galchenyuk
2nd - Boo Nieves
2nd - Matteau

Seems good to me.

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03-03-2012, 12:07 AM
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Thats a good point. Example: if you put Gionta's heart in AK46's body you'd have one of the best NHLers. Might as well just take the player who has a good combination of those qualities, ie: Gabriel Landeskog.

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03-03-2012, 12:25 AM
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Thats a good point. Example: if you put Gionta's heart in AK46's body you'd have one of the best NHLers. Might as well just take the player who has a good combination of those qualities, ie: Gabriel Landeskog.
Good god if we draft a landeskog I will praise all the lords in the sky(ies?) for the rest of my years.

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03-03-2012, 05:49 AM
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1st - Galchenyuk
2nd - Boo Nieves
2nd - Matteau

Seems good to me.
Boo Nieves will likely be available in the 3rd round. His inconsistency is troubling.

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03-03-2012, 07:14 AM
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I don't see how people can compare Kostitsyn to Grigorenko. Vision is still part of the toolbox, and Kostitsyn lacked vision, which is Grigorenko's best strenght.

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03-03-2012, 08:04 AM
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Despite all the negative reports on Grigorenko, the man remains a very enticing prospect. What he could become in 5 years time is really interesting. He has all the tools to become a top 15 NHL player. Does he have that "drive" though that separates the elite from the good? Galchenyuk and Forsberg appear to have that... questions, questions.

After everything I've read about Gregorenko, I'm leaning towards taking a pass on him. There is just too long a trail of "Russians with no heart" to risk a pick on a guy who is already showing major signs.

I'd look to trade the pick.

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03-03-2012, 08:05 AM
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I've seen a Andrei Kostitsyn with Quebec and his name was Mikhail Stefanovich. Grigorenko is clearly above them.

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03-03-2012, 08:06 AM
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After everything I've read about Gregorenko, I'm leaning towards taking a pass on him. There is just too long a trail of "Russians with no heart" to risk a pick on a guy who is already showing major signs.

I'd look to trade the pick.
You're reading things from people who have seen him play 1-2 games...

Those who have seen him play most of the season only have praises for him.

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03-03-2012, 08:10 AM
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I don't see how people can compare Kostitsyn to Grigorenko. Vision is still part of the toolbox, and Kostitsyn lacked vision, which is Grigorenko's best strenght.
Grigorenko has the same drive as Kostitsyn which is none. I'll take a pass on Grigorenko and will be happy when the Habs do too.

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03-03-2012, 08:20 AM
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I don't see how people can compare Kostitsyn to Grigorenko. Vision is still part of the toolbox, and Kostitsyn lacked vision, which is Grigorenko's best strenght.
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence, determination and hard work make the difference. – Calvin Coolidge

Here's a small quote I like.

If anybody ever played a sport and had success you know Grigorenko lacks a bit of passion.

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03-03-2012, 08:25 AM
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Grigorenko has the same drive as Kostitsyn which is none. I'll take a pass on Grigorenko and will be happy when the Habs do too.
Did you subscribe to HF just to talk about how much you hate Grigorenko?

The hate for him around here is mind-boggling.

The guy is one of the first on the ice before every pratice and one of the last to leave.
He works in the gym every day.
He goes to school every day to learn a language he couldn't speak or understand 5 months ago and now he can converse in that language quite easily, unlike other Russians who have lived here for 10 years or more.
He always come back to help his defensemen, which is something some said he wasn't doing in Russia.
He showed up for almost every important game Quebec has had to play so far.
5-6 games at the beginning of February was his only bad stretch of the season. Other than that he has been pretty consistent.
He injured his ankle at the WJC and it's still bothering him, but he wouldn't miss a game or a practice because of that.

What should he do now to prove his dedication and work ethic?


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03-03-2012, 08:31 AM
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Did you subscribe to HF just to talk about how much you hate Grigorenko?

The hate for him around here is mind-boggling.
Is it hate ? I don't think so. Just being realistic. What do you want ? A cup? Well Grigo might not be our guy.

The love ratio is also pretty high.
I hope he goes 2nd and we're not 2nd. Would be ideal.

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03-03-2012, 08:43 AM
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Is it hate ? I don't think so. Just being realistic. What do you want ? A cup? Well Grigo might not be our guy.

The love ratio is also pretty high.
I hope he goes 2nd and we're not 2nd. Would be ideal.
He might not be or he might be, you just don't know about that.

I've seen 51 of his 53 games this season and frankly, what I've read about him so far is making me realize what is HFBoards: a bunch of know-it-alls who don't really know.

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03-03-2012, 08:48 AM
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He might not be or he might be, you just don't know about that.

I've seen 51 of his 53 games this season and frankly, what I've read about him so far is making me realize what is HFBoards: a bunch of know-it-alls who don't really know.
So what team are you scouting for if you're such an expert because you have gone to 51/53 games.

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03-03-2012, 09:24 AM
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You're reading things from people who have seen him play 1-2 games...

Those who have seen him play most of the season only have praises for him.
Actually, I've be reading the impressions of multiple pro scouts who have seen him play more than 1-2 games, plus even more video tape. It's become a larger and larger concensus of them that think he has way too much Alex Kovalev in him. I am sick of inconsistent russians who play when they feel like it.

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He might not be or he might be, you just don't know about that.

I've seen 51 of his 53 games this season and frankly, what I've read about him so far is making me realize what is HFBoards: a bunch of know-it-alls who don't really know.
Yep, he might be a 100 points player. He might break Gretzky record also who knows.

It's more likely not to happen.
I know you're a big fan of him. I know you're also a big fan of the Remparts. But just try and be realistic and put your emotions aside.

Hard-worker side board eating machine/forechecking machine are what this teams need. Its what any teams needs over talent.
There's many example of this in the NHL . Nikita Filatov, Burmistov and others are all super talented and to an extreme. But they lack the drive to make it happen really... I loved every second of Andrei Kostitsyn play here...But was he the hardest worker ?(not taking this year in count cause he was pretty much one of the hardest worker...)

Oh and FYI Andrei Kostitsyn was also a training freak...

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Lacking that extra gear doesn't mean you are lazy. Sometimes it does, sometimes it's just ones temperament.

I don't think Kostitsyn was lazy. He had limited hockey IQ and he didn't get fired up, so when he wasn't focused it's easy to interpret his actions as lazy if you didn't watch him regularly. The man was a tank and was willing to track back even if he wasn't that good at it.

Sometimes even the most dedicated players just can't keep up sustained energy.

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