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Too many second-line centers: Worst than ever?

View Poll Results: So, who do you keep?
Desharnais 93 77.50%
Plekanec 83 69.17%
Eller 94 78.33%
Leblanc 93 77.50%
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03-03-2012, 11:19 AM
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Too many second-line centers: Worst than ever?

Let's pretend we're drafting a 1st line center next year, we end up with 4 players fighting for second-line center duty in the upcoming years. We have Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller and Leblanc. The problem is, even if we need a third-line center as well, we can't develop the 3 younger ones at their full potential while keeping the four of them.

My suggestion is to keep Plekanec as third-line center on a two-way checking line. But for the second line, we would still have the 3 youngsters fighting over for the job. If we try to develop all of them as centermen, they will not play enough minutes to develop to their fullest. We need to either develop our top 6 talent in the top 6 at some point, we can't keep busting our prospects by making them play bottom-6 forever.


EDIT: Alright, there's other solutions than trading. But we still can't make them all play center. Who would you convert as a winger full-time?


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03-03-2012, 11:22 AM
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Wouldn't it be a better idea to see how these guys develop before trading them below peak value? We have 2 centres producing at a top 30 rate in Desharnais and Plekanec, that's hardly something to worry about. Desharnais is 25, he doesn't need to be treated with kid gloves.

Not to mention Leblanc is being groomed as a winger, and Desharnais can potentially play on the wings.

We have a drought of talent on the wings, that doesn't mean you trade some of the few skilled forwards we do have unless it's a great offer.

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03-03-2012, 11:24 AM
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Well, that draftee might not be NHL ready, so we can delay the matter for a bit. And there is always trying to convert one of these guys to wing.

I don't think we need to force Eller or Pleks onto a certain line or role; they're both versatile enough to be manning either the 2nd or 3rd roles people typically associate with centers on those respective lines.

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03-03-2012, 11:25 AM
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Let's pretend we're drafting a 1st line center next year, we end up with 4 players fighting for second-line center duty in the upcoming years. We have Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller and Leblanc. The problem is, even if we need a third-line center as well, we can't develop the 3 younger ones at their full potential while keeping the four of them.

My suggestion is to keep Plekanec as third-line center on a two-way checking line. But for the second line, we would still have the 3 youngsters fighting over for the job. Basically, I think we need to trade one or two of them while they are young and still have development potential. I will suggest a few solutions in the form of a poll, but don't be shy to bring new ideas.

I'd personally keep Leblanc because trading both Desharnais and Leblanc would create a revolution in Quebec. If it wasn't for that matter, I would have kept Eller because I think he's the most skilled between them. I know Desharnais is the most productive as of now, but I simply don't see a 5"7 center staying that good. Yeah there's short players in the league, but centermen is a whole other matter IMO.
I voted for Plekanec and Eller, but it really depends on the relative trade value of each of the players, as the Habs can do well with almost any two of the players.

Maybe Desharnais can net two 1st round draft picks from a competitive team? Maybe Plekanec can be traded for a lottery pick?

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03-03-2012, 11:27 AM
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The question should be who do you not keep? You're not going to get rid of three and keep one. I'd keep Pleks, Eller and Leblanc. Fetch something for Desharnais while his value's up, especially if he has another good year next year.

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The question should be who do you not keep? You're not going to get rid of three and keep one. I'd keep Pleks, Eller and Leblanc. Fetch something for Desharnais while his value's up, especially if he has another good year next year.
It's a multiple choice poll, you can keep them all if you want.

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I think ideally you'd have Plekanec slotted in as your 2nd line center and Eller as your 3rd. Convert Desharnais to wing and keep grooming Leblanc as a winger.

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Wouldn't it be a better idea to see how these guys develop before trading them below peak value? We have 2 centres producing at a top 30 rate in Desharnais and Plekanec, that's hardly something to worry about. Desharnais is 25, he doesn't need to be treated with kid gloves.

Not to mention Leblanc is being groomed as a winger, and Desharnais can potentially play on the wings.

We have a drought of talent on the wings, that doesn't mean you trade some of the few skilled forwards we do have unless it's a great offer.
Well, St. Louis got Halak for Eller, I think that development potential is often better than below peak value.

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It's a multiple choice poll, you can keep them all if you want.
Oh you're allowed to choose more than one? lol See, I don't know that cause I'm not allowed to vote for some reason. Conspiracy against new members...

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I would hang on to DD. Plek probably has the best value. Because we have no chance to content until the expiry of Plek's contrat, he should be the one to go.

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So no one agrees we should at least trade one? I know we can give them utility player duties or convert them to wing, but is that always the way to go? Was it a proven recipe of success in the past?

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I love Plekanec, I don't want him to leave. But when your #1 centreman is a 5'6 undrafted player, there's a problem. But even with his great season, Desharnais probably has low value.

I think the best bet is to try and package Plekanec for a better centreman, and push Desharnais and Eller down on the depth chart to #2 and #3. Leblanc can stay on the wing and move to centre if there is an injury. The new drafted player can take his time and progress.

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Our centers are the last of our problems. We actually might have 2 first line centers. How about getting decent wingers and dmen.

Oh and Plekanec on the third line??

EDIT: And again, there aren't a signle truly dominant team in the league in the cap era. There's no need to try to be better than the 90's Avanlache and Red Wings. We need to be better than '12 Rangers, who have Richards and Stepan as their top-2 centers.

Add a good top-6 winger, a top-4 dman, and Markov, and we are as good as anyone in this league.


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Our centers are the last of our problems. We actually might have 2 first line centers. How about getting decent wingers and dmen.

Oh and Plekanec on the third line??

EDIT: And again, there aren't a signle truly dominant team in the league in the cap era. There's no need to try to be better than the 90's Avanlache and Red Wings. We need to be better than '12 Rangers, who have Richards and Stepan as their top-2 centers.

Add Markov, and we are as good as anyone in this league.
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I love Plekanec, I don't want him to leave. But when your #1 centreman is a 5'6 undrafted player, there's a problem. But even with his great season, Desharnais probably has low value.

I think the best bet is to try and package Plekanec for a better centreman, and push Desharnais and Eller down on the depth chart to #2 and #3. Leblanc can stay on the wing and move to centre if there is an injury. The new drafted player can take his time and progress.
I also think you trade Plekanec. If you aren't going to give him quality wingers and top line ice time, his desire to get out of dodge city will only intensify.

This passive/aggressive way to treat players - SK, AK, Spacek and Gomez has to stop. If management can't find a way to utilize Plekanec, then just trade him. It's time for management to make some pro-active decisions in the off-season.

If we draft a top centre in this draft, whenever the player drafted is ready for top 6 duty, either DD or Eller moves to wing or we should trade one of them, also.

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So no one agrees we should at least trade one? I know we can give them utility player duties or convert them to wing, but is that always the way to go? Was it a proven recipe of success in the past?
There's no recipe for success. The cup winning teams and cup finalist in the last few years were built in diffrent ways.

Though one thing the seems important is having a few good young players with entry level contacts on key positions (which is our case) and not too many overpaid players (which is our problem).

Also we have don't have enough good 5 on 5 players. Our PK is solid, our PP was weak only because it was Markovless, but we have too many specialists, and this has been a problem for a long time now. Also we don't have enough depth. It didn't help that it was a weak year in Hamlton.

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I also think you trade Plekanec. If you aren't going to give him quality wingers and top line ice time, his desire to get out of dodge city will only intensify.

This passive/aggressive way to treat players - SK, AK, Spacek and Gomez has to stop. If management can't find a way to utilize Plekanec, then just trade him. It's time for management to make some pro-active decisions in the off-season.

If we draft a top centre in this draft, whenever the player drafted is ready for top 6 duty, either DD or Eller moves to wing or we should trade one of them, also.
The thing is, what #1 centremen are available for a centreman of lesser quality? It would be extremely difficult to find a deal of that sort. The only thing I can think of is Lecavalier, but I want no part of that contract; or maybe Joe Thornton, if the Sharks like the progression of Couture and Pavelski that much.

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Well, that draftee might not be NHL ready, so we can delay the matter for a bit. And there is always trying to convert one of these guys to wing.

I don't think we need to force Eller or Pleks onto a certain line or role; they're both versatile enough to be manning either the 2nd or 3rd roles people typically associate with centers on those respective lines.
Leblanc is the one to be converted to wing, RW at that.

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Let's pretend we're drafting a 1st line center next year
When was the last time an 18 year old was the #1 center on a good team (yes, the goal is to be a good team next season)?

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All of these guys are ok but a high priority for a new GM will be to overhaul the centre position. I'd be surprised if 2 of these guys are still around in a year or so.

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boston has too many 2nd line centers...

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Dammit some people are already in ''all an NHL team needs is 12 forwards and that can include a couple of rookies'' mode.



I'd be willing the bet a lot that Desharnais will get more points next year than any C drafted in the 2012 draft.

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Dammit some people are already in ''all an NHL team needs is 12 forwards and that can include a couple of rookies'' mode.



I'd be willing the bet a lot that Desharnais will get more points next year than any C drafted in the 2012 draft.

I would bet both Desharnais and Plekanec get more points than any C drafted. I mean I'd be surprised if many are in the league to begin with. Grigorenko and Galcenyuk aren't Crosby.

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