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03-01-2012, 06:12 PM
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See my earlier posting about Lindros, you werent the only one to note the importance of this. That said, when you a player scores a point and a half a game in a defensive era, you have to take note. (I use his peak 1.41 over his seasonal 1.19 as a way to give Lindros his due). Kinda of hard to stop a hulk like Lindros from getting off the cycle and into the slot. Once in the slot he had the best snapshot I have ever seen. However, I still take Forsberg all day as I thought Lindros game was much much too mechanical. It was endless cycling and getting to the slot. While he could do more than cycle, he was not a good puck handler and only an average reader of plays, so and once you got him into an open ice game you could beat him pretty easily. Even though Joe Thornton had about half Lindros' toughness and was a much better puck handler he fell into the over cycling trap in Boston as well and his playoff stats were even worse...something to ponder.
Lindros' peak scoring (and peak scoring rate) all occured prior to the drop in GPG that signaled the dead puck era. He's at 1.51 in 96-97, where the league is at 5.83 goals per game. Most of the dead puck era sits at around 5.2 goals per game, or over half a goal per game less than when Lindros is at his peak (52 game) scoring rate. The peak most folks in this thread have been referencing (~93-94 to 96-97), NHL goals per game are between 6.48 and 5.83.

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Lindros easily. At his peak he might have been a top 5 guy in the NHL all-time.

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Lindros easily. At his peak he might have been a top 5 guy in the NHL all-time.
Nah. Top-10 would be stretching it. Same can be said about Forsberg though

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03-02-2012, 12:43 PM
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Lindros at his absolute best was up there with the most all-around dominant players of all-time. Forsberg was elite as well but Lindros would be my guy. He was downright SCARY and threw routine hits that would be illegal today just because of the amount of damage they did.

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I would expect a top 5 all-time guy to win a single Art Ross (Lindros lost 1995 on a tie break).

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Lindros at his absolute best was up there with the most all-around dominant players of all-time. Forsberg was elite as well but Lindros would be my guy. He was downright SCARY and threw routine hits that would be illegal today just because of the amount of damage they did.
They would also be illegal today because they tended to involve things like elbows or driving heads into the boards

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I would expect a top 5 all-time guy to win a single Art Ross (Lindros lost 1995 on a tie break).
Maurice Richard never win the Art Ross either, tie break with Jagr is not bad.

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Maurice Richard never win the Art Ross either, tie break with Jagr is not bad.
Maurice Richard was runner up for the Art Ross 5 times, a 1st or 2nd Team All Star 14 seasons in a row and the greatest postseason goal scorer of the preexpansion era by a fairly wide margin.

Point taken though that counting Art Rosses is an incomplete method.

Of course for Lindros to be top 5, he'd have to be better than Richard...

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I would expect a top 5 all-time guy to win a single Art Ross (Lindros lost 1995 on a tie break).
There's more to being a dominant hockey player than scoring points.

Career highs:

Bernie Nicholls: 150
Pat LaFontaine: 148
Adam Oates: 142
Pierre Turgeon: 132
Mark Messier: 129

Lindros could score a ton of points, break someone's collarbone or scare someone to death to go retrieve a puck. Eric was the total package.

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Forsberg shoul be the idiotprooof answer to this. Both were dominant on the ice, but Forsberg was simply just better. And I'm a Finn, not really born to cheer for those damn Swedes. :/

ps. I'd still take Adam Oates over either of them.

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I would expect a top 5 all-time guy to win a single Art Ross (Lindros lost 1995 on a tie break).
Never "liked" that specific Art Ross. In my opionon the trophy should first go to the one who achived the total points in lesser games played than more goals scored (Lindros in 46, Jagr 48...).

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Lindros could fight better, hit harder, score more goals, and win more faceoffs. Forsberg was quicker, more skilled, and obviously the better passer. I'd take Lindros.

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03-03-2012, 01:27 PM
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There's more to being a dominant hockey player than scoring points.

Career highs:

Bernie Nicholls: 150
Pat LaFontaine: 148
Adam Oates: 142
Pierre Turgeon: 132
Mark Messier: 129

Lindros could score a ton of points, break someone's collarbone or scare someone to death to go retrieve a puck. Eric was the total package.
You're listing a product of Gretzky and 3 guys who had career years in the wacky 1993. Messier's career year was better than any of them.

That said, Messier's prime is far from top 5 all time, especially his regular seasons

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