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03-04-2012, 03:33 PM
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You know who I would trade our first round pick for.

John Tavares

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You know who I would trade our first round pick for.

John Tavares
And I'd trade our second round pick for Dan Girardi, what's your point?

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And I'd trade our second round pick for Dan Girardi, what's your point?
No point just trying to make conversation.

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I would be against drafting Galchenyuk if we end up with a top 3 pick. I think it's just too risky to draft a young hockey player who had an injury that made him miss the whole season. It's bad for the development of a young hockey player.

I would take a chance on Grigorenko. Maybe his attitude problems are overblown and he compares more to Malkin than Ovechkin attitude-wise.

He also looks already ready to step in the NHL physically and maybe he could grow up to 6' 4".
I agree with you that Grigorenko attitude problem are way overrated. Him, Galchenyuk and Faksa would solve #1 center with size problem at center, so i would be real happy.

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And I'd trade our second round pick for Dan Girardi, what's your point?
Relax, he has a very good point.

Tavares is exactly what we need.

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But if when we are drafting, the best prospect available by far is something else then a center then we should draft that player. Let say Columbus passes on Yakupov, then we should draft Yakupov.

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Relax, he has a very good point.

Tavares is exactly what we need.
I really wish we could of tanked when there was a canadian center top prospect.

Just my wish.

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Really thinking Ryan Murray might be the best pick for us this year.

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Really thinking Ryan Murray might be the best pick for us this year.
I think he will be a bust, nithing shiny about his game and was terrible at the world championship. Dumba, Reinhart and Trouba are in front of him

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Relax, he has a very good point.

Tavares is exactly what we need.
Well, yeah, but his point is NYI would never do that in a billion years. Tavares is on the verge of being a star.

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I think he will be a bust, nithing shiny about his game and was terrible at the world championship. Dumba, Reinhart and Trouba are in front of him
I like Murrays offensive game way ahead of those three.
His +/- aint too bad as well.

just looking at stats so cant compare anymore than that, I know that doesnt say a whole lot.

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Well, yeah, but his point is NYI would never do that in a billion years. Tavares is on the verge of being a star.
I didnt say they would I was just saying...........sheeesh
Its Sunday afternoon in March..........just bored to death.

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03-04-2012, 04:12 PM
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Really thinking Ryan Murray might be the best pick for us this year.
I really don't think our first should go to a d, I mean we have gorges long term hopefully pk too, emelin panning out nicely and we got beaulieu and tinordi ready to make the jump to the nhl in 2 maybe 3 years. We could spend our second on a d. Our foward propect pool is slim.

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Patofqc - I think he will be a bust, nithing shiny about his game and was terrible at the world championship. Dumba, Reinhart and Trouba are in front of him

Was Dumba(one of the last cuts) and Beaulieu happy with their icetime at the wjc. Was Reinhart even invited to try out and I doubt Trouba would even make team canada.

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I really don't think our first should go to a d, I mean we have gorges long term hopefully pk too, emelin panning out nicely and we got beaulieu and tinordi ready to make the jump to the nhl in 2 maybe 3 years. We could spend our second on a d. Our foward propect pool is slim.
All true but Murray if not taken by the Oilers will be the BPA.

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Patofqc - I think he will be a bust, nithing shiny about his game and was terrible at the world championship. Dumba, Reinhart and Trouba are in front of him

Was Dumba(one of the last cuts) and Beaulieu happy with their icetime at the wjc. Was Reinhart even invited to try out and I doubt Trouba would even make team canada.
Does not mean anything. Seguin and Duchene were not invited to the world juniors and they are great young players.

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Still pretty certain it will end up being Galchenyuk as our selection. McKenzie mentioned that some scouts have "marveled" at how dedicated he was to come back from his ACL injury. Although he has not been playing, that demonstrates that he has a great work ethic off the ice as well.

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I want galchenyuk and everything, but if we somehow do get 2nd overall, you HAVE to take grigorenko.

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Isn't the whole question with Grigorenko is how his game translates to the NHL level and that is something that doesn't concern Roy.
How do you know Roy isn't concerned about Grigorenko adapting to the NHL? Even if he thought he has 50% chance of being a bust, he would be an idiot to say it out loud before the draft.

There are a lot of people on here who do a lot of typing but not much thinking. Roy has 5 great reasons to only say good stuff about Grigorenko before the draft. Not only is he the coach and wants a happy player, but he is GM and wants more high end Russians to come, he is also the owner so he wants butts in the seats with those current and future high end players.

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I would be against drafting Galchenyuk if we end up with a top 3 pick. I think it's just too risky to draft a young hockey player who had an injury that made him miss the whole season. It's bad for the development of a young hockey player.

I would take a chance on Grigorenko. Maybe his attitude problems are overblown and he compares more to Malkin than Ovechkin attitude-wise.

He also looks already ready to step in the NHL physically and maybe he could grow up to 6' 4".
I haven't heard any knocks on Grigorenko attitude wise...the knocks on him are that he is a perimiter player and doesn't always show up and compete. Lots of young players don't show up each night, but Yakupov is one that does, that's why he is rated higher even 3 inches smaller and similar skill level.

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Thing is that it is very difficult to change a persons character. Grigorenko has been motivated this year by Roy to "catch" Yakupov in the race for #1 overall. We dont know his character at all and the fact that he has worked very hard to learn english is a good sign. Timmins usually likes hard workers, with the exception of David Fischer.

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Still pretty certain it will end up being Galchenyuk as our selection. McKenzie mentioned that some scouts have "marveled" at how dedicated he was to come back from his ACL injury. Although he has not been playing, that demonstrates that he has a great work ethic off the ice as well.
I have a hypothesis: this year of getting injured could actually have an upside to Galchenyuk, depending on how he's used it.

One of the biggest challenges that faces kids trying to make the jump to the NHL is being physically ready to face off against men.

I'd be willing to bet that, if this report is true, and it's a McKenzie report so it likely is, it's probably based on him busting his ass in the gym. He's likely much stronger now than he would have been after playing the ridiculous pro-level OHL schedule with the 3 games in a row and so on.

However, no reports have come out re: Galchenyuk being cleared for contact just yet. So we'll have to wait and see.

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I thought it might be fun to compare Forsberg to Patrik Berglund, as they both have late birthdays and play(ed) in some of the same Swedish leagues:

16 years old

Forsberg SuperElit - 36gp 40pts
Berglund SuperElit - 25gp 10pts

Forsberg U18WJC - 6gp 6pts
Berglund U18WJC - DNP

17 years old

Forsberg Allsvenskan - 43gp 17pts
Berglund Allsvenskan - 21gp 4pts

Forsberg U20WJC - 6gp 1pts
Berglund U20WJC - DNP

Forsberg U18WJC - we'll see
Berglund U18WJC - 6gp 5pts

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=29626 Forsberg
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=3637 Berglund

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Patofqc - Does not mean anything. Seguin and Duchene were not invited to the world juniors and they are great young players. - ignore friendly italics added,lol.

It means something, whether you think so or not.

I just happen to value the opinion of the Team Canada coaching staff over yours, fwiw.

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I thought it might be fun to compare Forsberg to Patrik Berglund, as they both have late birthdays and play(ed) in some of the same Swedish leagues:

16 years old

Forsberg SuperElit - 36gp 40pts
Berglund SuperElit - 25gp 10pts

Forsberg U18WJC - 6gp 6pts
Berglund U18WJC - DNP

17 years old

Forsberg Allsvenskan - 43gp 17pts
Berglund Allsvenskan - 21gp 4pts

Forsberg U20WJC - 6gp 1pts
Berglund U20WJC - DNP

Forsberg U18WJC - we'll see
Berglund U18WJC - 6gp 5pts

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=29626 Forsberg
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=3637 Berglund
Will grigorenko be eligible for it this year as he is still 17?

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