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03-04-2012, 06:23 PM
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Homer needs to seriously think of getting the defense younger. Signing Kubina is something they should pass on because he's in the same age bracket as Kimmo. It's one thing to have one old guy but you're playing with fire. When there are too many.

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Umm, have you considered age and other factors?

It's obvious why. Luck has nothing to so with it: Pronger is not only old but has played rough all his career, so everyone knows he would break down by this age.

And I personally have been sounding the alarm about Timo's age and his playing time (having to compensate for Pronger's absence) for awhile now.

The 'backbone' of our D are two oldsters who are both very near the end. So whaddaya expect?
Yea you're right, that freak incident with Prongers eye was because his eyes are so old and worn out, and Giroux's concussion and JVR's foot, Hip, abdomen and concussion, and Schenn's Shoulder and Concussion, and Meszaros lower body injury are all because they are too old and worn down...

Your theory is rather hilarious actually. Perhaps you have an argument for Timonen, but to say you expect the team to see so many injuries because of age is funny. When of all the injuries faced all year by Flyer players, a couple games were lost for Jagr because of age related injuries and now Timonen, who for all we know could be back next game, and Pronger who's injury was nothing about age, but a freak accident.

So a handful of games maybe.....good one though, I needed a good laugh.

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03-04-2012, 06:33 PM
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Then what about Mez?

When Pronger is out, others like Mez and Timo try to do too much to compensate, and then they get hurt too. When top leading Dmen get hurt there is a cascade effect thru the D corps. That's why ur top Dmen should not be excessively old
Also, Pronger's injury is not age related. A concussion is not age related. You make it sound like age is the reason he's hurt.

He had otehr injuries that were age related. Plus, concussion effects are often cumulative, if he's been banged around a lot over the years he's more vulnerable to concussion.

J. Lidstrom is old and doing well, so is Selanne and so was Recchi before he retired. The age thing is ********. It's a state of mind and if you keep in shape and keep playing the way you play, age doesn't matter.
Very bad reasoning. Out of all the old players who are useless or retired, you pick the small minority who are not and try yo make a case out of it? Exceptions do not prove anything, they are just flukey exceptions. BOTTOM LINE, you are playing with fire when the two best Dmen on the entire team are old as the hills.

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03-04-2012, 06:36 PM
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Yea you're right, that freak incident with Prongers eye was because his eyes are so old and worn out, and Giroux's concussion and JVR's foot, Hip, abdomen and concussion, and Schenn's Shoulder and Concussion, and Meszaros lower body injury are all because they are too old and worn down...

Your theory is rather hilarious actually. Perhaps you have an argument for Timonen, but to say you expect the team to see so many injuries because of age is funny. When of all the injuries faced all year by Flyer players, a couple games were lost for Jagr because of age related injuries and now Timonen, who for all we know could be back next game, and Pronger who's injury was nothing about age, but a freak accident.

So a handful of games maybe.....good one though, I needed a good laugh.
Laugh all you wnat. 'Freak' accidents happen to older guys more. You can dismiss it as freak all u want, but it seems to me u are arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Ur best Dmen should NOT be that old, that's just common sense.

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03-04-2012, 06:37 PM
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Very bad reasoning. Out of all the old players who are useless or retired, you pick the small minority who are not and try yo make a case out of it? Exceptions do not prove anything, they are just flukey exceptions. BOTTOM LINE, you are playing with fire when the two best Dmen on the entire team are old as the hills.
Find me a team where their selling their young #1 defenders.... Notice that most young #1 guys are grown from within the team's system. Flyers dont like draft picks, so we dont grow from within.

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03-04-2012, 06:39 PM
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Find me a team where their selling their young #1 defenders.... Notice that most young #1 guys are grown from within the team's system. Flyers dont like draft picks, so we dont grow from within.
Actually Dmen take a long time to season, so very young DMen should never be asked to lead the team either.

27-32 is a good age range. They often hit their peak then and still have many good years left.

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Actually Dmen take a long time to season, so very young DMen should never be asked to lead the team either.

27-32 is a good age range. They often hit their peak then and still have many good years left.
Thats fine. What teams selling them?

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Uhhh I still have nightmares about how bad this team looked the last time Kimmo missed games.
Well, the whole D looked pretty good tonight. Grossman is a tower of strength, and so were Kubina and Lilja too.

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Umm, have you considered age and other factors?

It's obvious why. Luck has nothing to so with it: Pronger is not only old but has played rough all his career, so everyone knows he would break down by this age.

And I personally have been sounding the alarm about Timo's age and his playing time (having to compensate for Pronger's absence) for awhile now.

The 'backbone' of our D are two oldsters who are both very near the end. So whaddaya expect?

Luck has nothing to do with Pronger suffering a possibly career-ending injury because of a stick blade slapped into his face, or JVR breaking a bone in his foot on a rare shot block attempt, or the Flyers spate of concussions?

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Very bad reasoning. Out of all the old players who are useless or retired, you pick the small minority who are not and try yo make a case out of it? Exceptions do not prove anything, they are just flukey exceptions. BOTTOM LINE, you are playing with fire when the two best Dmen on the entire team are old as the hills.
-Pronger's injury was't age related
-Neither were Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, JVR, Read, Meszaros, etc.

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Timonen and Mezsaros interfere with us getting shutouts. Trade them

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Very bad reasoning. Out of all the old players who are useless or retired, you pick the small minority who are not and try yo make a case out of it? Exceptions do not prove anything, they are just flukey exceptions. BOTTOM LINE, you are playing with fire when the two best Dmen on the entire team are old as the hills.

No, rban, you're the one with the bad reasoning here.

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Anyone else wondering if this injury lingera, it could contribute in kimmo retiring after this season? especially if the team doesn't make a deep playoff run?

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Early report on Timonen is back injury, possibly two weeks.

Source: Sports Final on NBC 10


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Who has the Flyers current consecutive games streak now? Carle?

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Who has the Flyers current consecutive games streak now? Carle?
It could be Hartnell.

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Early report on Timonen is back injury, possibly two weeks.

Source: Sports Final on NBC 10
So it only takes Cyberdyne Systems two weeks to craft a replacement spine?

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So it only takes Cyberdyne Systems two weeks to craft a replacement spine?
It likely depends on the severity. But if it is back related, let's hope it isn't anything similar to what Mark Howe endured. There'll probably be some making that connection considering Howe's ceremony Tuesday night.

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It could be Hartnell.
My basic research says youre right, it looks like Hartnell. He has only missed one game in the last 4 years, back in Jan 2010 (Flu). Carle only missed 2 games in the last 3 years, back in Mar 2010 (Lower Body).

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Timonen and Mezsaros interfere with us getting shutouts. Trade them
Agreed.

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Anyone else wondering if this injury lingera, it could contribute in kimmo retiring after this season? especially if the team doesn't make a deep playoff run?
Jesus. Alarmist much?

Timonen's hurt! He's gonna retire!!!!! Run for the hills!!!

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Ok, Timonen has back issues.
So what is wrong with Meszaros?

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People keep saying age isn't a factor but we have a lot of 35+ guys on the team. And sure, Pronger's concussion was a fluke but last year he had a back injury that needed surgery and a knee injury that needed surgery. Those are wear and tear injuries and when you get older the recovery time is longer. We have Pronger, Lilja, Briere, Kimmo, Kubina, Jagr who are all in geezer category so it's a concern.

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