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03-04-2012, 01:27 PM
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Edmonton is building via the draft. It's clearly planned, and while they've missed the playoffs for six years, have accumulated a great number of talented young players.

Edmonton's aiming higher than just making the playoffs, and clearly is following a plan to do so. I doubt that plan involves trading this years draft pick.
And that's great, they have a plan. I don't much care what their plan is, and it's none of my business. However, Oilers fans thinking they have somehow accomplished anything is wrong. They haven''t accomplished anything and this guy using a playoff and conference final visit as compared to Toronto as a sign of success is also wrong.

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03-04-2012, 01:31 PM
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What a painful read... As for the OP, there is no way the Oilers consider the deal. Gardiner is not sufficient upgrade to jump that many spots and have the Oilers pass up on a huge talent. Just wishful thinking.

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03-04-2012, 01:34 PM
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And that's great, they have a plan. I don't much care what their plan is, and it's none of my business. However, Oilers fans thinking they have somehow accomplished anything is wrong. They haven''t accomplished anything and this guy using a playoff and conference final visit as a sign of success is also wrong.
They've missed the playoffs, and picked players like Eberle, Hopkins, Hall, Klefbom, Musil. Would it be better if they missed the playoffs, and didn't pick these players?

This thread is about an offer for a player like the one's listed above, a lottery pick. Edmonton clearly isn't going to trade a lottery pick player for two assets (or three, or four) as they recognized that in order to win more than just games, to win a championship, you need elite talent. That talent is difficult to get out of the top five picks.

Kiss of death for any team is to just miss the playoffs. Edmonton did that for more than a decade. I'd rather they execute their plan, than try and shore up the team to just make the playoffs.

Oiler fans want a contender.

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03-04-2012, 01:41 PM
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Kiss of death for any team is to just miss the playoffs. Edmonton did that for more than a decade. I'd rather they execute their plan, than try and shore up the team to just make the playoffs.

Oiler fans want a contender.
How in the heck is it a kiss of death? Such an overstatement.

Being at the bottom of the league is not the sign of being a contender and having 3-4 top draft picks is also not a guarntee to be a contender. However, you are hoping it will one day make you a contender.

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Hey, at least we have some level of respectability when it comes to on ice performance. I can't imagine cheering for a team that not only comes last ever year, but doesn't even seem interested in changing that.
Maybe in Toronto HF and the city of Toronto they tell you that

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03-04-2012, 01:46 PM
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Edmonton clearly has been tanking for the rebuild. Lennart Petrell on the first line? The Cam Barker experiment?

At the end of this season, Edmonton will draft one of Yakupov, Grigorenko, or Murray. Will that help them become a playoff team? Not likely next season. If they make it next year, they'll have been out of the playoffs for six seasons, the year after that, seven.

It would suck to miss the playoffs for seven years, but at least you'd have good young talent, right?
It would suck even more to be the only team since the lockout to not make the playoffs and not have the young talent, right?

Since the lockout 30 teams have made the playoffs excluding Toronto

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03-04-2012, 01:46 PM
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Maybe in Toronto HF and the city of Toronto they tell you that
Only in toronto is a young team in a playoff bubble position considered less respectable than 2nd last overall. It must suck that Columbus looks to be ruining the 1st overall victory party.

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03-04-2012, 01:47 PM
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It would suck even more to be the only team since the lockout to not make the playoffs and not have the young talent, right?

Since the lockout 30 teams have made the playoffs excluding Toronto
At least get your facts straight.

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03-04-2012, 01:49 PM
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It would suck even more to be the only team since the lockout to not make the playoffs and not have the young talent, right?

Since the lockout 30 teams have made the playoffs excluding Toronto
What's wrong with our young talent?

We've heard about the great young Jeff Petry who is 2 months younger than Phil Kessel, #2 in goals scored and top 5 in points.

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03-04-2012, 01:54 PM
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No way Edmonton ever trades the pick. Seems to be a lot of banter with respect to Edm's current situation.

Lets keep in mind they have made the SC final since the Leafs have even made the playoffs. We have won five cups since they have made the finals. Thats got to be tough to take.

There was a day when there was talk of actually switching franchises. I'm pretty sure if that day were to come again not one Leaf fan would be unhappy about it.

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03-04-2012, 02:02 PM
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Lets keep in mind they have made the SC final since the Leafs have even made the playoffs. We have won five cups since they have made the finals. Thats got to be tough to take.

There was a day when there was talk of actually switching franchises. I'm pretty sure if that day were to come again not one Leaf fan would be unhappy about it.
What does this have anything to do with where the teams are going?

And no, I would not trade franchises right now. They have 2 or 3 players on their team that would significantly upgrade our team long term (Hall, RNH and maybe Eberle). Likewise, we have a number of players that would upgrade their team in the long term.

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Why are we even discussing a hypothetical situation. Leafs wont finish in the bottom 5 and even then, 5th pick + Gardiner isn't enough to get the 1st overall pick.

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03-04-2012, 02:11 PM
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Why are we even discussing a hypothetical situation. Leafs wont finish in the bottom 5 and even then, 5th pick + Gardiner isn't enough to get the 1st overall pick.
This entire forumn is a hypothetical situation.

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What does this have anything to do with where the teams are going?

And no, I would not trade franchises right now. They have 2 or 3 players on their team that would significantly upgrade our team long term (Hall, RNH and maybe Eberle). Likewise, we have a number of players that would upgrade their team in the long term.
Nothing. I was just saying they wouldn't trade the pick and throwing a couple of darts. I do know where they are going though. One is on the way to the top floor and the other will be working on getting there just like they have been for what seems like forever.

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03-04-2012, 02:15 PM
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Could anyone imagine Burke and Tambellini flaming each other like this?

Burke: Hey Tambo, Gardiner and our 1rst for your first?

Tambellini: Sorry Brian not interested.

Burke: You obviously don't want to improve your team do you? Happy being last all the time?

Tambellini: I Am sorry Brian but
what has your team done? At least my young guys have talent!

Burke: Alot of good it does you if you don't win, besides we have talent too.

Tambellini: Alot of good it's
done you

Bottom Line: Who cares? Leaf fans like and over value their players as do Oiler fans.

Gardener & TO's first for a top 3 pick doesn't work for Edm.

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03-04-2012, 02:17 PM
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Nothing. I was just saying they wouldn't trade the pick and throwing a couple of darts. I do know where they are going though. One is on the way to the top floor and the other will be working on getting there just like they have been for what seems like forever.
That is your opinion. But a team with questionable goaltending and defence hardly seems a team "on the way to the top floor".

1 team is 34 points away from the top of their division.

One team is 11 points from the top of their division.

Guess which one is the defending Stanley Cup champs.

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This entire forumn is a hypothetical situation.
This proposal has a little too much "if" but the point is, neither team does it. All Edm-To deals turn into pissing matches anyway.

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03-04-2012, 02:22 PM
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This proposal has a little too much "if" but the point is, neither team does it. All Edm-To deals turn into pissing matches anyway.
It's all we have right now.

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The only way to decide which route is better is wait to see for another 3 yrs who has the better team and which team will be contenders the longest.

Majority of the time you can only get elite level players at the top of the draft. EDM has to add one more top 3 dman and a top goalie. Until this happens they will not make the playoffs.

With prospects like Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Gernet and Davidson that will need two more seasons to develop they will be pretty deep in defense. If Whitney can stay healthy and you have Petry and Smid our defense will be pretty good in years to come.

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That is your opinion. But a team with questionable goaltending and defence hardly seems a team "on the way to the top floor".

1 team is 34 points away from the top of their division.

One team is 11 points from the top of their division.

Guess which one is the defending Stanley Cup champs.
Congrats on being slightly better right now. The Oilers longterm future is better than the Leafs. Kessel is 24 he's nearing his goal scoring peak. RNH, Hall, Eberle are nowhere near their peaks.

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Congrats on being slightly better right now. The Oilers longterm future is better than the Leafs. Kessel is 24 he's nearing his goal scoring peak. RNH, Hall, Eberle are nowhere near their peaks.
Amazing that those young Olier players are nowhewhere near their peaks yet are not much younger than Kessel who is nearing his?

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Amazing that those young Olier players are nowhewhere near their peaks yet are not much younger than Kessel who is nearing his?
No, they're considerably younger actually. Eberle is 21, Hall is 20, RNH is 18. Look at where Kessel was at those ages.

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Amazing that those young Olier players are nowhewhere near their peaks yet are not much younger than Kessel who is nearing his?
This is Kessel's 6th year in the NHL. Eberele and Hall are in their second, RNH is a rookie.

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ColePens gave fair warning. The topic has been discussed and ColePens warning was ignored. Closed.

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