Legwand should definitely not wear an A (yes, surprise I know). There are reasons Trotz/Poile have never really consider him for it. Fisher is the right choice.
Reasons that are not publicly disclosed? Are you referring to his DUI years ago?
Reasons that are not publicly disclosed? Are you referring to his DUI years ago?
Nope, just his overall character.
Trotz/Poile have known Lewgand for 14 years and he's been a Predator for 14 years. They knew Fisher for 2 months and still gave him the A. Naturally, this board's response is "Trotz is an idiot".
14 years is enough to judge if a guy has leadership characteristics. Legwand wasn't even in the talks (Erat was runner up). Read into it what you will from that alone.
Trotz/Poile have known Lewgand for 14 years and he's been a Predator for 14 years. They knew Fisher for 2 months and still gave him the A. Naturally, this board's response is "Trotz is an idiot".
14 years is enough to judge if a guy has leadership characteristics. Legwand wasn't even in the talks (Erat was runner up). Read into it what you will from that alone.
Yet Legwand has repeatedly worn the A on a temporary basis. It doesn't take a letter on a shirt to be looked to as a leader in the room.
Still think he is great and adds to the team so I wouldn't mind if he was named AC especially since he's been w/ the Preds for a long time and helps them win games/scores but I'm happy w/ Mike being named AC though. Mike was AC for his former team the Senators and knew how to fit in that role. Maybe being C/AC just isn't Legwand's thing or what he prefers except just on occasions. Not everybody probably wants to be C/AC if it's required to talk to the media, speak on behalf of the team, or be more in a leadership role w/ added responsibilities, especially if he's a quiet person. I'm sure he's a great teammate though and a leader in the room behind closed doors and leads by example, especially w/ the experience he brings.
Trotz knows Legwand and this business better than anybody so I'll trust his judgment.
Fisher's 15% shooting% is currently better than his career best. Fisher could hit 50 points despite missing 9 games. He has earned his letter this season.
It's based on leadership, not talent. If that were the case, erat would be captain for forwards as he is our most talented forward.
It's based on leadership, not talent. If that were the case, erat would be captain for forwards as he is our most talented forward.
I agree. Just look at the above link I just posted as an example even though I wouldn't mind Erat being AC either . But I trust Trotz's judgment and I'm sure he's learned from past experience what type of person he's looking for to fill the role of C/AC. I'm sure it's great/easy being a C/AC when you/your team is winning but when it's not, then not so much. So got to have the right type of person that can lead/encourage others/his teammates whether they are winning or losing/not playing well including himself.
Having good numbers shouldn't have anything to do with wearing a letter. I look at the way Fisher plays and the example he sets on the ice as a bigger reason he has that letter. Glad to see he is putting up numbers, but the letters are more about leadership than shooting % and goals scored.
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Originally Posted by maplepred
It's based on leadership, not talent. If that were the case, erat would be captain for forwards as he is our most talented forward.
My comments were based on the assumption that we all already knew about his solid character. By earning it, I was more inferring that he's consistently producing relative to his skill level, TOI and salary. Without that the latter, his character & leadership would have come into question IMO.
Bottom line, Fisher has been one of Poile's best trades. (Fortunately, for Poile, Mrs. Fisher eliminated much of NSH competition for her husband's services.)
I'm sure Mike/Carrie being a well known couple/public couple also didn't hurt him being named AC since he probably draws more attention/media because of who he is married to than say Legwand does and that helps add to the franchise obtaining more viewers/fans/attention to the Preds. So I'm sure there was a combination of things as to why Mike was named AC over others. Probably both because of the business side (i.e. increasing viewership/ticket sales/media attention, etc) which has increased by the way and also the character/leadership side he can bring. Seems like Poile/Trotz's way to help the franchise grow just like they did w/ the big 3 (Weber/Suter/Peks).
I'm sure Mike/Carrie being a well known couple/public couple also didn't hurt him being named AC since he probably draws more attention/media because of who he is married to than say Legwand does and that helps add to the franchise obtaining more viewers/fans/attention to the Preds. So I'm sure there was a combination of things as to why Mike was named AC over others. Probably both because of the business side (i.e. increasing viewership/ticket sales/media attention, etc) and also the character/leadership side he can bring.
To be honest, I don't think the casual hockey fan notices or cares who wears the A. Ofcourse we love the game so we scrutinize everything to death. I doubt media attention/ticket sales is the reasoning let alone a byproduct. In my opinion, the A is given to the player who displays leadership and mental toughness on the ice, aswell as someone who can talk to the refs.
To be honest, I don't think the casual hockey fan notices or cares who wears the A. Ofcourse we love the game so we scrutinize everything to death. I doubt media attention/ticket sales is the reasoning let alone a byproduct. In my opinion, the A is given to the player who displays leadership and mental toughness on the ice, aswell as someone who can talk to the refs.
Probably so or at least I would hope that was the case more so than anything else. That should be the reason for being named AC above all else.
Was just trying to add to the poster above me that mentioned the Mike/Carrie connection for why he was traded to Nashville and me thinking its not such a bad thing to capitalize on that attention they drew/draw but mainly should just be because Mike displays that leadership quality Poile/Trotz is looking for in an AC, which I believe was the case.
Fans put more into the letter than the actually players do.
exactly.
you are kidding yourself if you don't see Weber, Suter, Fisher, Erat and Legwand as the leadership group. I would not be surprised if Gill, Gaustad, Klein are in that group right now as well.
When you speak of Legwands character, and leadership, remember back to when Belak died. Who was the face of the Preds then? He was the main guy handling the press. He stepped up in a big way. Partially becasue of his friendship i am sure, partially because he is in fact a leader of this team.
are kidding yourself if you don't see Weber, Suter, Fisher, Erat and Legwand as the leadership group. I would not be surprised if Gill, Gaustad, Klein are in that group right now as well.
You are kidding yourself if you view this as 'fact'. And Gaustad in now a part of the core leadership group after one game?
Legwand was sad when Belak died. OK.
Legwand is a leader to an extent I guess. What extent? Well, Trotz/Poile have known him for 14 years and didn't consider him for the A. Read into to it what you will.
I don't care who wears the A. But Fisher getting the A turns into a whine fest over how poor Legwand got shafted.
You are kidding yourself if you view this as 'fact'.
Legwand was sad when Belak died. OK.
Legwand is a leader to an extent I guess. What extent? Well, Trotz/Poile have known him for 14 years and didn't consider him for the A. Read into to it what you will.
I don't care who wears the A. But Fisher getting the A turns into a whine fest over how poor Legwand got shafted.
I never said Legwand got shafted. Personally, I think the C and the two A are right for this team. but it is fact that trotz keeps a leadership group and Legwand is a part of it. You ever think that some guys don't need a letter to lead?
I never said Legwand got shafted. Personally, I think the C and the two A are right for this team. but it is fact that trotz keeps a leadership group and Legwand is a part of it. You ever think that some guys don't need a letter to lead?
I've said many times that you can be a leader without a letter. In terms of the whining, I was referring to previous 20 posts.
I seem to recall that the last few times a new C and A's were handed out, Legwand's name was always in the running but he at least once (before Weber got it) came out and said that it didn't really matter to him if he got it or not, hinting that maybe he really didn't want the added responsibility/pressure (maybe because of the scrutiny he had already taken from fans?)
I think that took him out of the running by saying that. It would be interesting to know for sure what kind of consideration Trotz has given him, and how Leggy's attitude had affected that consideration. And also how Leggy's perception among fans has affected that. Maybe Trotz has done him a favor by keeping a letter off his chest?
and another thing regarding talking to refs, alot of times legwand is the preds rep over at the box when things are getting sorted out. It isn't like the refs are chanting captains only like it was a rec league game
You are kidding yourself if you view this as 'fact'. And Gaustad in now a part of the core leadership group after one game?
Legwand was sad when Belak died. OK.
Legwand is a leader to an extent I guess. What extent? Well, Trotz/Poile have known him for 14 years and didn't consider him for the A. Read into to it what you will.
I don't care who wears the A. But Fisher getting the A turns into a whine fest over how poor Legwand got shafted.
Not discounting what you said at all, because I don't disagree... But from what I've heard, Legwand is BY FAR the most vocal leader in the lockerroom. It wasn't always that way though... It is more of a last few years thing.
The real question here is will Legwand/Fisher change because he does or doesn't have a letter? No. Therefore this letter business is irrelevant other than giving us something to talk about.
I can't pinpoint the reason, but I've felt that Leggy and Fish have been the real LEADERS of this season's team. Shea just doesn't seem to be as totally involved with the team as he was last season, (he very rarely is seen laughing during pre-skate as much as I noticed last year) and it has been pointed out here the numerous times Sutes seems to be just going through the motions to get onto free agency. It has been a great thing to see the way Gill and Goose have especially stepped into roles of being veterans to the youngsters.
. But I trust Trotz's judgment and I'm sure he's learned from past experience what type of person he's looking for to fill the role of C/AC. I'm sure it's great/easy being a C/AC when you/your team is winning but when it's not, then not so much. So got to have the right type of person that can lead/encourage others/his teammates whether they are winning or losing/not playing well including himself.
