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03-05-2012, 08:15 PM
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When the going gets tough and the game is on the line, plek starts his girly game.
Then why is he always matched up against opposing teams star players? If he's so soft, why is he not given soft minutes?

Why was he able to slow down Ovechkin and stop Crosby in the playoffs? Why has he been top4 in scoring on the team in every playoffs (except 08-09 were he was injured and played only 3 games)? If he was soft and didn't work hard wouldn't Crosby (the dude Plekanec checked for 7 games) have scored more than a point or two that series?

Why do people stop making sense and talk about Plekanec like he's a 36 year old over the hill veteran when in fact he's not even 30 signed on a long term deal?

Why are people not realizing he can help us win in the next 5-6 years and is part of the solution as one of the top5 two way center?

So many questions!

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03-05-2012, 08:22 PM
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I watched the games back then and both lines are dominant. The AK line was more skilled so that's why people are under the impression that it's not close... when in fact, the DD line is just as effective... without Markov.
As "bad" of a season as some would have us believe Subban is having, I say he's still pretty effective at contributing to the strength of the forwards he lines up with so often.

In fact, I guess if I were to compare the "strength" of respective 5 man units, I'd say for every bit that Subban is a "downgrade" from Markov, Gorges is an "upgrade" over Komisarek. It's an interesting change in dynamic, as back then the "smart" guy was the offensive/2-way guy (consistently under-rated defense, of course), and the "wild" (slightly unpredictable/inconsistent/developing/whatever) guy was the defensive partner. Now it's almost equal and opposite in that respect, imo.

Interesting to ponder how that might impact the play/style of the forwards they play(ed) with. Goaltending has been pretty consistently good overall as well, but now they're playing with a goalie that not only loves, but excels at, playing the puck. All interesting facets to look at in the "big picture".

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forget about the debate over which line is "better"... more important question is WHY don't/can't we have 2 lines that are that good in the same season.


If PG wasn't such a tool, he'd have bent over backward to land Jagr, and we'd have seen a Kost-Pleks-Jagr line that would have been reminiscent of the AK-Pleks-Kovy line.

Kost- Pleks- Jagr
Cole- DD - MaxPac
Cammy - Eller - Gionta


that's the kind of fwd group we very easily could be watching lighting up the eastern conference right now

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forget about the debate over which line is "better"... more important question is WHY don't/can't we have 2 lines that are that good in the same season.


If PG wasn't such a tool, he'd have bent over backward to land Jagr, and we'd have seen a Kost-Pleks-Jagr line that would have been reminiscent of the AK-Pleks-Kovy line.

Kost- Pleks- Jagr
Cole- DD - MaxPac
Cammy - Eller - Gionta


that's the kind of fwd group we very easily could be watching lighting up the eastern conference right now
So sad and so true. Would have loved seeing what those three lines could have done, but what can you do. Engqvist probably doesn't get as much negative attention playing between Moen and a healthy White/Blunden in the 4th line clean-up duties of this perfect world, either (Nokelainen would be just fine as well).

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forget about the debate over which line is "better"... more important question is WHY don't/can't we have 2 lines that are that good in the same season.


If PG wasn't such a tool, he'd have bent over backward to land Jagr, and we'd have seen a Kost-Pleks-Jagr line that would have been reminiscent of the AK-Pleks-Kovy line.

Kost- Pleks- Jagr
Cole- DD - MaxPac
Cammy - Eller - Gionta


that's the kind of fwd group we very easily could be watching lighting up the eastern conference right now
damn

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forget about the debate over which line is "better"... more important question is WHY don't/can't we have 2 lines that are that good in the same season.


If PG wasn't such a tool, he'd have bent over backward to land Jagr, and we'd have seen a Kost-Pleks-Jagr line that would have been reminiscent of the AK-Pleks-Kovy line.

Kost- Pleks- Jagr
Cole- DD - MaxPac
Cammy - Eller - Gionta


that's the kind of fwd group we very easily could be watching lighting up the eastern conference right now
Who knew signing Jagr wouldn't just have made the whole rest of the offense play better, it would have prevented injuries too?!

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Then why is he always matched up against opposing teams star players? If he's so soft, why is he not given soft minutes?

Why was he able to slow down Ovechkin and stop Crosby in the playoffs? Why has he been top4 in scoring on the team in every playoffs (except 08-09 were he was injured and played only 3 games)? If he was soft and didn't work hard wouldn't Crosby (the dude Plekanec checked for 7 games) have scored more than a point or two that series?

Why do people stop making sense and talk about Plekanec like he's a 36 year old over the hill veteran when in fact he's not even 30 signed on a long term deal?

Why are people not realizing he can help us win in the next 5-6 years and is part of the solution as one of the top5 two way center?

So many questions!
because pleky does not show up in the playoffs and his faceoff % in last years playoffs was attrocious

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03-06-2012, 08:22 AM
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Ak Plekanec Kovalev

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That far? Ouch.
The light year is a unit of distance, not time. Muppet.

Edit: Oops, sorry, quoted the wrong guy. Now I'm a muppet too.

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Then why is he always matched up against opposing teams star players? If he's so soft, why is he not given soft minutes?

Why was he able to slow down Ovechkin and stop Crosby in the playoffs? Why has he been top4 in scoring on the team in every playoffs (except 08-09 were he was injured and played only 3 games)? If he was soft and didn't work hard wouldn't Crosby (the dude Plekanec checked for 7 games) have scored more than a point or two that series?

Why do people stop making sense and talk about Plekanec like he's a 36 year old over the hill veteran when in fact he's not even 30 signed on a long term deal?

Why are people not realizing he can help us win in the next 5-6 years and is part of the solution as one of the top5 two way center?

So many questions!
I said when the going gets tough, sid is not tough, boston and philly are tough

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People still want to **** on DD no matter how he plays. DD and company shows up game after game, more than we can say for guys like AK and plek. When the going gets tough and the game is on the line, plek starts his girly game.

A lot of people just go on and on about Eller, he's already rated a first class player by some people around the board, well DD got more points in the first 60 games this season then Eller has in over 160 nhl games.

So lets show some love for DD, if the road runner could play a big man's game. so can DD
Does it actually interest you to talk about how some Habs players are better than other Habs players? Does this really turn you on?

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Who knew signing Jagr wouldn't just have made the whole rest of the offense play better, it would have prevented injuries too?!



no, not prevent injuries, just give the team depth to better be able to deal with injuries... crazy concept, I know, but one that most quality GM's do a good job of addressing.

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no, not prevent injuries, just give the team depth to better be able to deal with injuries... crazy concept, I know, but one that most quality GM's do a good job of addressing.
I was pointing out that you have Gionta in your line up that we 'could have been watching now' if we would have signed Jagr....

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I was pointing out that you have Gionta in your line up that we 'could have been watching now' if we would have signed Jagr....
yes, i got that...

any change made to the roster to start the year, changes everything... none of the injuries that happened would have happened the same & of course different injuries, perhaps even worse injury luck, would have happened.


hence the word "could", as in, we "could" have been looking at a much different lineup.


really, the key point is that it was beyond stupid to not be front and centre doing everything possible to land Jagr.

with the forward group we had, the clear/obvious existing chemistry he has/had with Pleks, and the reality that he would be an asset added for nothing (except contract)... it was a no-brainer.

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The only reason why we like the Kovy line was because we actually won games back then. We would probably think differently if our team was currently sitting in 1st.

All that said, I miss AK46

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Does it actually interest you to talk about how some Habs players are better than other Habs players? Does this really turn you on?
Also why is it so hard to understand that a 22 and 25 year old would be at very different parts of their development? Experience matters but so do things like physical and mental development that don't peak until 24-25.

Or that Eller and Desharnais play very different roles. The "vs." game between players on the same team is so incredibly pointless.

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Another little update...

AK27/Plek/AK46: 206 pts, 113 ES pts, +48, 222 hits

Cole/DD/Pacs: 162 pts, 121 ES pts, +22, 277 hits

BTW-The Kessel-Bozak-Lupul line has 125 ES pts while the Sedin line has 122 ES pts.

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3 games left...


AK27/Plek/AK46: 206 pts, 113 ES pts, +48, 222 hits

Cole/DD/Pacs: 175 pts, 129 ES pts, +11, 318 hits

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Prime Kovalev >> today Cole
Prime Plekanec >> today DD
AK > Pax

So, we can say the DD line is the best SINCE AK-Plek-Kovalev line.
Pacioretty is better this year than any year AK ever had.

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AK27/Plek/AK46: 206 pts, 113 ES pts, +48, 222 hits

Cole/DD/Pacs: 175 pts, 129 ES pts, +11, 318 hits
those 16 more ES points really mean jack when they were -37 worse.

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Kovalev/Plekanec/AK didn't have to deal with Campoli and Kaberle though.

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And PP goals count the same sa ES goals... exactly 1 each

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Kovalev/Plekanec/AK didn't have to deal with Campoli and Kaberle though.
But it wasn't much better with Dandouillon and Brisebois

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Kovalev/Plekanec/AK didn't have to deal with Campoli and Kaberle though.
I don't think that line is put on the ice with Campoli and Kaberle very often, and we had some poor Dman back in those days too with Dandy and Breezer.

In any case, I don't think that line is all that amazing. I think it's a good line, but nothing amazing.

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