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03-05-2012, 01:53 PM
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and he always shows up when we need him most.
Except Games 1-6 of last year's WCSF.

Personally, I'd trade Marleau before I'd trade Thornton (not saying I'd trade either of them).

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03-05-2012, 01:55 PM
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That's Thornton.
While Marleau perhaps will never equal Joe Thornton's on-ice contributions, there is no player that has bled more for this team than Patrick Marleau. He is a big leader on this team, "C" or not.

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As much as I like those guys, they don't hold a candle to Marleau's consistency, they simply have not been around long enough.

You can rely on Marleau to put up 30 goals and 70-80 points every year. He's been doing it for a decade (aside from one season of being pissed off at his coach). Frankly I'd trade Thornton before I traded Marleau simply because if you are trying to change the core strategy Marleau is the guy that is going to adapt better to any system you throw at him.

People love to rail on the guy, but he's worth every penny he's paid and he always shows up when we need him most.
Thank you. I almost feel more loyalty to Patty than to the Sharks as a whole.

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Get rid of Marleau and replace him with whom?

Who is going to be available in the current market that will give us the same value and consistency as what Marleau does. If someone does trade us such a player then it is most likely going to be for a Marleau+. How does that really help us improve as a team?

I like Pavs. Infact I think he is my favorite player on the Sharks but I would rather have him get moved instead of Marleau.

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03-05-2012, 02:03 PM
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Except Games 1-6 of last year's WCSF.

Personally, I'd trade Marleau before I'd trade Thornton (not saying I'd trade either of them).
Trade JT if the team isn't getting far enough and they go for total rebuild (no up and coming superstar in the org). Trade Marleau if there is an up and coming. Marleau is better at mentoring secondary players which prep for a rebuild. Couture does not qualify as an up and coming superstar. He will be elite if all goes well; he won't be passing guys like Stamkos, Toews, etc.

Agree about not trading either right now unless they want a #1 pick.

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Personally, I'd trade Marleau before I'd trade Thornton (not saying I'd trade either of them).
Agreed.

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03-05-2012, 02:14 PM
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Trade JT if the team isn't getting far enough and they go for total rebuild (no up and coming superstar in the org). Trade Marleau if there is an up and coming. Marleau is better at mentoring secondary players which prep for a rebuild
Thornton would probably also have more value which would be better for a total rebuild.

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Couture does not qualify as an up and coming superstar.
I agree, which is why I'd prefer to keep Thornton if I had to choose one. Couture doesn't really have the size or physical dominance to be a true #1C. 1b/solid #2 in the future I would think. There aren't many centers in the league with the skill and size that Thornton brings.

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Agree about not trading either right now unless they want a #1 pick.
patty and our first for nash, cbus 1st and something or another

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Thornton would probably also have more value which would be better for a total rebuild.



I agree, which is why I'd prefer to keep Thornton if I had to choose one. Couture doesn't really have the size or physical dominance to be a true #1C. 1b/solid #2 in the future I would think. There aren't many centers in the league with the skill and size that Thornton brings.
JT falls short on skating.

Winners:
Staal - size & speed
Getzlaf - size
Datsyuk - speed
Crosby - speed
Toews - size & speed
Boston collection - all speed

Definite advantage to speed over size. And yes, the skill (puck control) has to be there. Size is an added benefit but not a requirement. The three who are big only, JT, Sedin and Getzlaf, only have one ring among them. The Ducks are good example of a team trying to go with one big without a lot of help.

I am awaiting this year's outcome. If the Rags or Bruins win, it indicates the increased possibility of a team winning by committee for the #1 center spot. A change of past history/tradition.

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JT falls short on skating.

Winners:
Staal - size & speed
Getzlaf - size
Datsyuk - speed
Crosby - speed
Toews - size & speed
Boston collection - all speed

Definite advantage to speed over size. And yes, the skill (puck control) has to be there. Size is an added benefit but not a requirement. The three who are big only, JT, Sedin and Getzlaf, only have one ring among them. The Ducks are good example of a team trying to go with one big without a lot of help.

I am awaiting this year's outcome. If the Rags or Bruins win, it indicates the increased possibility of a team winning by committee for the #1 center spot. A change of past history/tradition.
Are you referring to those who don't use their speed? Because JT is actually quite fast when he doesn't try to slow the play down. He was once even voted by players as 5th or 6th fastest in the league (not sure how I feel about that, but it seems opposing players take notice).

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Are you referring to those who don't use their speed? Because JT is actually quite fast when he doesn't try to slow the play down. He was once even voted by players as 5th or 6th fastest in the league (not sure how I feel about that, but it seems opposing players take notice).
I am not sure whether opposing players would vote that way now. The book on defending him is to beat him with speed on the backcheck. Also, when was the last time that you saw him go wide and beat an opponent?

He is about average. I look when he is backchecking, whether he is gaining or losing. He definitely is well beyond Couture, Pavs and Clowe. His first step is definitely not explosive but he compensates with his stride which is long. He is well behind Staal, Datsyuk, Toews, Crosby, etc. Of the three slows that I named, he is faster than the other two, Getzlaf and Sedin.

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Personally I think you rebuild leaving all NMCs alone

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Personally I think you rebuild leaving all NMCs alone
Na you have to buy out Handzus. Or see if he'll waive it.

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Na you have to buy out Handzus. Or see if he'll waive it.
Buyout is likely the only real option

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Buyout is likely the only real option
It's not completely out of the realm of possibility for a team willing to take on his last year if the Sharks want to take something back. Maybe we can trade him to Philly for Jody Shelley haha

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It's not completely out of the realm of possibility for a team willing to take on his last year if the Sharks want to take something back. Maybe we can trade him to Philly for Jody Shelley haha
He won't waive unless it's close to home (LA/ANA, maybe Phoenix). It was the only reason he signed with us in the first place.

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He won't waive unless it's close to home (LA/ANA, maybe Phoenix). It was the only reason he signed with us in the first place.
Anything in particular give you that idea? I haven't seen much about his deal and why he chose here.

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He won't waive unless it's close to home (LA/ANA, maybe Phoenix). It was the only reason he signed with us in the first place.
I preface this by saying this is just an observational opinion. I think of myself as pretty good at reading people, so I generally trust my gut on things like this.

Handzus looks like he is completely unhappy playing hockey. He's going through the motions, but it seems to me as if he's lost his love of the sport. Maybe that's due to Demitra, maybe not, maybe he'll get over it eventually, but I feel like his heart just isn't in it.

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3. One GM thought San Jose could've closed a Nash trade if it still had Charlie Coyle, who was traded to Minnesota in the Brent Burns deal. "That guy is a stud," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...rade-list.html

Sorry, Pavs. We traded Coyle already.

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I preface this by saying this is just an observational opinion. I think of myself as pretty good at reading people, so I generally trust my gut on things like this.

Handzus looks like he is completely unhappy playing hockey. He's going through the motions, but it seems to me as if he's lost his love of the sport. Maybe that's due to Demitra, maybe not, maybe he'll get over it eventually, but I feel like his heart just isn't in it.
The loss of Demitra didn't help that's for sure.

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Anything in particular give you that idea? I haven't seen much about his deal and why he chose here.
Don't have any links but I just remember reading that he wanted to sign close to him. Perhaps this is why he chose SJ over Phi.

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Sorry, Pavs. We traded Coyle already.
I am now super glad to have traded Coyle for Burns. I'd rather have Burns than Nash.

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We still have Nieto.

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I preface this by saying this is just an observational opinion. I think of myself as pretty good at reading people, so I generally trust my gut on things like this.

Handzus looks like he is completely unhappy playing hockey. He's going through the motions, but it seems to me as if he's lost his love of the sport. Maybe that's due to Demitra, maybe not, maybe he'll get over it eventually, but I feel like his heart just isn't in it.
Nah, he's really just that slow.

Edt: Should add for seriousness, Handzus was great in the first several games of the season. He fell off the map after. Then they traded the kid he basically mentored into his best season, in McGinn.

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We still have Nieto.
Kid's absolutely ripping it us since Coyle and Trivino left, and he's the type of player that succeeds in the late first/early second area. I will be beyond pissed if he's traded for Nash.

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