so what trades would you have made knowing that Schiestel would have not returned a forward would make the lineup?
What kind of question is that? I don't know, but I do know AHL trades were made. And I do know players have needed replaced for many months. Nothing happened. This isn't an isolated incident. Darcy never helps his AHL clubs. It's how he works, unfortunately. Like I said, I'm not surprised at all. But I was hoping things would change with Pegula. They haven't.
I personally don't like that instead of making a move with teams that were interested but in the same conference, they chose to look for a deal in the East. Does anyone actually think Drew Schiestel is the difference maker for a fringe team to make the playoffs AND force the Amerks out of the spot? Apparently Devine and Regier do. It's akin to them not moving Noronen to Tampa or Atlanta since they figured they would be in direct competition with either. Set YOUR team, let them play. Worrying about what someone leaving is going to do to your chances is another example of DR over-valuing his own assets.
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I personally don't like that instead of making a move with teams that were interested but in the same conference, they chose to look for a deal in the East. Does anyone actually think Drew Schiestel is the difference maker for a fringe team to make the playoffs AND force the Amerks out of the spot? Apparently Devine and Regier do. It's akin to them not moving Noronen to Tampa or Atlanta since they figured they would be in direct competition with either. Set YOUR team, let them play. Worrying about what someone leaving is going to do to your chances is another example of DR over-valuing his own assets.
“We got responses from about four teams,” Devine said. That led to a tentative deal being reached to loan a D-man for a forward. “But they pulled out Monday morning,” Devine said of the other team, which he declined to identity.
What are they supposed to do when only 4 teams are even interested and the only deal you have falls apart? That means that 26 teams were NOT interested in even discussing a deal, that isn't exactly a position of strength to be negotiating from.
Its funny that last week Regier is a hero for sticking to his guns and getting a first for Gaustad and for making a blockbuster trade and then this week he is a bum because he didn't pull the trigger on deals that weren't there.
“We got responses from about four teams,” Devine said. That led to a tentative deal being reached to loan a D-man for a forward. “But they pulled out Monday morning,” Devine said of the other team, which he declined to identity.
What are they supposed to do when only 4 teams are even interested and the only deal you have falls apart? That means that 26 teams were NOT interested in even discussing a deal, that isn't exactly a position of strength to be negotiating from.
Its funny that last week Regier is a hero for sticking to his guns and getting a first for Gaustad and for making a blockbuster trade and then this week he is a bum because he didn't pull the trigger on deals that weren't there.
You're missing the point that they waited until the last possible moment to make a deal. They could have done the same thing months ago and worked a deal out by now.
“We got responses from about four teams,” Devine said. That led to a tentative deal being reached to loan a D-man for a forward. “But they pulled out Monday morning,” Devine said of the other team, which he declined to identity.
What are they supposed to do when only 4 teams are even interested and the only deal you have falls apart? That means that 26 teams were NOT interested in even discussing a deal, that isn't exactly a position of strength to be negotiating from.
Its funny that last week Regier is a hero for sticking to his guns and getting a first for Gaustad and for making a blockbuster trade and then this week he is a bum because he didn't pull the trigger on deals that weren't there.
Different situations. If Nashville was in the East, I doubt Regier entertains the idea as his track record has shown he's unwilling to make those moves (specifically with Noronen). Per the Kevin O article:
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Devine said eight teams were interested in Schiestel, six of which were in the Western Conference. “We didn’t want to move him to any teams that are in a dogfight with Rochester,” he said.
... make the deal to get a forward. It sounds as though they didn't entertain any of the WC offers.
You're missing the point that they waited until the last possible moment to make a deal. They could have done the same thing months ago and worked a deal out by now.
the way I'm judging Regier/Dineen is by what other teams did and most teams didn't make a move.
We don't have a sniper forward, Phil Varone, the top Amerks scorer, is 51st in the league so should we have moved him for another forward?
What other pieces could we have moved?
Colin Stewart
Derek Whitemore
Rankin
Voakes
Turnbull
Legault
Morrisonn
Finley
Biega
Persson
Crawford
What would that have netted? Probably the highest return would be to loan out Morrisonn, Pegula continues to pay his salary and what does that get us? A top forward most likely but it creates a huge unfillable hole in the back end.
the way I'm judging Regier/Dineen is by what other teams did and most teams didn't make a move.
We don't have a sniper forward, Phil Varone, the top Amerks scorer, is 51st in the league so should we have moved him for another forward?
What other pieces could we have moved?
Colin Stewart
Derek Whitemore
Rankin
Voakes
Turnbull
Legault
Morrisonn
Finley
Biega
Persson
Crawford
What would that have netted? Probably the highest return would be to loan out Morrisonn, Pegula continues to pay his salary and what does that get us? A top forward most likely but it creates a huge unfillable hole in the back end.
Your first mistake is judging by what other teams did. Other teams have entirely different situations than the amerks do.
Your first mistake is judging by what other teams did. Other teams have entirely different situations than the amerks do.
I look at other teams as a metric because its the only logical way to do so in this league. Because its a development league, there is more at stake than just winning this season and the talent level is limited. How is every team different than the Amerks? What should the Amerks being doing differently?
Do you expect or want Darcy to trade NHL assets for AHL assets? That is the only way he could have gotten a top AHL veteran guy. Even Morrisonn would fall under an NHL asset because the long term plan is that he is an insurance policy for the playoffs so should the Sabres trade that away for a goal scorer? Draft picks?
I think if you are going to criticize the General Manager because he should have done something then you have to quantify what that something is. Its a good way to measure if your expectations are realistic.
I look at other teams as a metric because its the only logical way to do so in this league. Because its a development league, there is more at stake than just winning this season and the talent level is limited. How is every team different than the Amerks? What should the Amerks being doing differently?
Do you expect or want Darcy to trade NHL assets for AHL assets? That is the only way he could have gotten a top AHL veteran guy. Even Morrisonn would fall under an NHL asset because the long term plan is that he is an insurance policy for the playoffs so should the Sabres trade that away for a goal scorer? Draft picks?
I think if you are going to criticize the General Manager because he should have done something then you have to quantify what that something is. Its a good way to measure if your expectations are realistic.
"That’s how the Peoria Rivermen (St. Louis Blues) and Portland Pirates (Phoenix Coyotes) pulled off a swap of All-Star caliber players (Patrick O’Sullivan for Brett Sterling)."
How does this make sense? I thought the goal was to get better players. Why would you want to make an even trade when you want better players? The Sabres needed better players, they don't trade Vanek for essentially the same player. The trades I saw in the AHL were value for value trades. Most AHL fans feel that the Americans lack value players, so how can they trade for value players? A two for one deal? How often does that happen in the AHL? I'm with DixonWard15 on this one. You can't weave straw into gold.
I have casually followed the Amerks for the last 5 years but this is my first year as a STH and I'm still learning how this all works. Its easy to judge the players on the way up, the Foliginos, McNabbs, Brennans etc it is much harder to judge the players who have already crested or are on their way down, the Finleys, Legaults, Staurts etc.
What I don't quite understand yet is what separates a 4th Line player from a top line AHL veteran, would Matt Ellis really come down to Rochester and be a top line guy? And how does the Organization grab those guys that are happen being AHL guys, can Pegula pay them extra?
I look at other teams as a metric because its the only logical way to do so in this league. Because its a development league, there is more at stake than just winning this season and the talent level is limited. How is every team different than the Amerks? What should the Amerks being doing differently?
Do you expect or want Darcy to trade NHL assets for AHL assets? That is the only way he could have gotten a top AHL veteran guy. Even Morrisonn would fall under an NHL asset because the long term plan is that he is an insurance policy for the playoffs so should the Sabres trade that away for a goal scorer? Draft picks?
I think if you are going to criticize the General Manager because he should have done something then you have to quantify what that something is. Its a good way to measure if your expectations are realistic.
It's actually not logical at all. Every team is different. Every team didn't lose multiple players earlier on in the season while management said those players would be replaced.
My main criticisms stem from the offseason when the sabres do the bare minimum and never go after the top flight players.
Honest question.... If the Sabres miss the playoffs can they assign Hodgson to help? I know he has a 2 way deal but not sure how the whole clear day roster thing works.
Different situations. If Nashville was in the East, I doubt Regier entertains the idea as his track record has shown he's unwilling to make those moves (specifically with Noronen). Per the Kevin O article:
... make the deal to get a forward. It sounds as though they didn't entertain any of the WC offers.
I understand what you are saying, I can't speak to how important this is in the AHL but
didn't he trade to Paille to Boston? Off the top of my head, he does seem to prefer teams out West or in this case in the East but I can't see Drew being the guy who prevents the Amerks from making the playoffs.
I understand what you are saying, I can't speak to how important this is in the AHL but
didn't he trade to Paille to Boston? Off the top of my head, he does seem to prefer teams out West or in this case in the East but I can't see Drew being the guy who prevents the Amerks from making the playoffs.
If they did do this, it was a mistake.
They weren't really in a position where Paille was going to be a major factor for the Bruins with that deal -- similarly with MacArthur. They maximized return there.
Honest question.... If the Sabres miss the playoffs can they assign Hodgson to help? I know he has a 2 way deal but not sure how the whole clear day roster thing works.
He's exempt from waivers (not because he's on a two-way deal, though) but wasn't on the clear day list, so no, he cannot play for the Amerks.
There is no reason for him to play in the AHL ever again; he's moved on and is a full-time NHL'er.
The only players that can be added for the remainder of the season are players from juniors on ATO's (or contracted 18/19 year olds that had their contracts slide) and NCAA free agents signed to ATO's.
He's exempt from waivers (not because he's on a two-way deal, though) but wasn't on the clear day list, so no, he cannot play for the Amerks.
There is no reason for him to play in the AHL ever again; he's moved on and is a full-time NHL'er.
The only players that can be added for the remainder of the season are players from juniors on ATO's (or contracted 18/19 year olds that had their contracts slide) and NCAA free agents signed to ATO's.
