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03-06-2012, 04:08 PM
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I think it's pretty clear there is a pattern in Oiler's games. Whether you are looking at the boxscore or watching the games, it is very obvious the ref's aren't calling majority of penalties that the opposition is doing. You'd pointed out that there was an average of 8.3 penalties/game over a recent stretch. That's an average of 4.15 penalties/game for each team. The Oilers opposition had an average of 0.5 penalties/game during that stretch, yet there were very clear calls that should have been made.
It's not surprising that a team with one of the best (or the best) PP percentages gets less calls than the opposition - it will be a coaching point for every opponent the Oilers play. I also don't think that the fact that the Oilers are a) small and b) very young help them get calls, to say nothing of the fact that Hall spends half of his shifts on his ass bone and the other half chirping.

The issue comes when you take an occurrence like the Oilers not getting calls and try and weave together some league-wide conspiracy to either change the number of penalties overall (doesn't seem to be borne out by numbers) or to help Dallas (isn't borne out by numbers and is also delusional).

Every single team in the league has fans that think their team is being jobbed. There are St. Louis fans that think there's a conspiracy because Smyth wasn't suspended for boarding that dude the last time we played them.

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I heard it was an attempt to reduce global warming by reducing the amount of hot air blown by referees through the whistles.

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It's not surprising that a team with one of the best (or the best) PP percentages gets less calls than the opposition - it will be a coaching point for every opponent the Oilers play. I also don't think that the fact that the Oilers are a) small and b) very young help them get calls, to say nothing of the fact that Hall spends half of his shifts on his ass bone and the other half chirping.
So you are saying smaller players are less likely to get calls against them. I can't say that I have ever heard this before.

Also, if you are looking at the numbers, the Oilers were getting calls against them up until the Chicago game. We currently sit 12th in the league in PP time, yet have gotten very, very few calls against for quite a stretch now. We are known as a fast team with some high end skill up front. This should be the perfect product for generating a lot of PP's.

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So you are saying smaller players are less likely to get calls against them. I can't say that I have ever heard this before.

Also, if you are looking at the numbers, the Oilers were getting calls against them up until the Chicago game. We currently sit 12th in the league in PP time, yet have gotten very, very few calls against for quite a stretch now. We are known as a fast team with some high end skill up front. This should be the perfect product for generating a lot of PP's.
I'm saying that it could be that small, young players that end up sitting on their ass if a wind blows cross-wise get fewer calls in their favour. What I am also saying is that sure there's a statistical decline in calls going the Oiler's way, and that that decline is either a) statistical fluke or b) not and if it's not, it has to be for a reason, and I think that reasons like "the league is secretly testing out anti-concussion referee technology" or "it's fixed in Dallas' favour" are goofy and aren't borne out by (admittedly very brief math).

So, OK, the Oilers are getting less calls. What is the likeliest reason for that? If we could see charts like the one above for half or more of the teams in the league, there'd be an argument for the league communicating a new preferred style of game-calling to the refs for sure.

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Nice article. I wish there was one done of the entire league.

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Nice article. I wish there was one done of the entire league.
There is a thread on the main board that is discussing what seems to possibly be a league wide decrease in penalty calls

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1128349

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There is a thread on the main board that is discussing what seems to possibly be a league wide decrease in penalty calls

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1128349
Thanks for the link. It looks like this year is worse than the last few years. What are they doing to the NHL? It is really hurting their reputation.

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[QUOTE=Sheeshta;45615641]I'm saying that it could be that small, young players that end up sitting on their ass if a wind blows cross-wise get fewer calls in their favour. What I am also saying is that sure there's a statistical decline in calls going the Oiler's way, and that that decline is either a) statistical fluke or b) not and if it's not, it has to be for a reason, and I think that reasons like "the league is secretly testing out anti-concussion referee technology" or "it's fixed in Dallas' favour" are goofy and aren't borne out by (admittedly very brief math).

So, OK, the Oilers are getting less calls. What is the likeliest reason for that? If we could see charts like the one above for half or more of the teams in the league, there'd be an argument for the league communicating a new preferred style of game-calling to the refs for sure.[/QUOTE]


Don't have a chart for you, but according to this article, the calls ARE down in the league this year, by a fair bit.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...service=mobile

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Thanks for the link. It looks like this year is worse than the last few years. What are they doing to the NHL? It is really hurting their reputation.
Depends if this is resulting in less concussions then mission accomplished.

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I'm saying that it could be that small, young players that end up sitting on their ass if a wind blows cross-wise get fewer calls in their favour. What I am also saying is that sure there's a statistical decline in calls going the Oiler's way, and that that decline is either a) statistical fluke or b) not and if it's not, it has to be for a reason, and I think that reasons like "the league is secretly testing out anti-concussion referee technology" or "it's fixed in Dallas' favour" are goofy and aren't borne out by (admittedly very brief math).

So, OK, the Oilers are getting less calls. What is the likeliest reason for that? If we could see charts like the one above for half or more of the teams in the league, there'd be an argument for the league communicating a new preferred style of game-calling to the refs for sure.[/QUOTE]


Don't have a chart for you, but according to this article, the calls ARE down in the league this year, by a fair bit.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...service=mobile
only three powerplays between the two teams last night.


this part says it all, from the article.

"Heading into this past weekend, there was an average 6.9 power-play opportunities in each of the 810 NHL games played to that point.

That’s the lowest figure since 1978-79 "

stupid refs. stupid league.

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I don't think we can blame the ref's anymore if this is league wide. Obviously this is what they are told to do.

It was nice seeing the Oilers taking advantage of the no calls last night. It was so frustrating in previous games watching the opposition doing things to our players with no calls, but our players doing very little to take advantage of the new system. The Oilers should have taken a lot of penalties against San Jose.

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only three powerplays between the two teams last night.


this part says it all, from the article.

"Heading into this past weekend, there was an average 6.9 power-play opportunities in each of the 810 NHL games played to that point.

That’s the lowest figure since 1978-79 "

stupid refs. stupid league.
Yep - that's better math than I did!

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I just don't understand the mentality of "we are going to allow more stuff to go, so there isn't as many concussions" Is there not a greater chance of injury if people start cross-checking and committing stick infractions without penalty?

This isn't going to solve anything, as soon as the players start realizing what they can get away with, personally, I think there is going to be more injuries resulting from it. I don't think it will bring concussions down.

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I just don't understand the mentality of "we are going to allow more stuff to go, so there isn't as many concussions" Is there not a greater chance of injury if people start cross-checking and committing stick infractions without penalty?

This isn't going to solve anything, as soon as the players start realizing what they can get away with, personally, I think there is going to be more injuries resulting from it. I don't think it will bring concussions down.
The tolerance for head shots is still zero. Watching the San Jose game, it is clear to me that they are trying to slow the flow down to prevent players from hitting others as hard. If this keeps up, we will be back to the mid 90's of clutch and grab so that players don't get as many concussions. I can see a lot more other injuries happening though with players feet getting swept out from underneath them. Cherry must be loving the new no-rules.

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