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02-27-2012, 05:36 PM
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In a just world, Gwinnett would go AHL and the current ECHL Glads would move somewhere geographically relevant. Birmingham makes a lot of sense there for some reason.

Back to the original topic, wasn't one theory for the initial attendance dip the severely botched I-85 HOT project which increased congestion for those trying to get to games from points south?
For what reason does Birmingham make a lot of sense? In the modern ECHL, it's geographically isolated, as every opponent would require overnight travel unless Gwinnett stayed in the league. When you have overnight travel, you have much higher costs.

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02-27-2012, 07:10 PM
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They did just renew their lease at Gwinnett for 3 more years this past offseason.
Leases mean nothing, the Devils had a 10 year lease in Trenton.

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02-27-2012, 09:57 PM
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02-28-2012, 05:39 PM
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Gwinnett's average attendance last year was 5,128, so far this year it's 5,129.
Right, but after 27 home games last year, the Glads' average was 5,262 -- so comparing apples to apples, they're down 2.5%.

It's rare, but the Glads' attendance actually went DOWN in the final nine games of the season last year.

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I seem them staying in the ECHL For now. They have solid fan support but a ton of casual fans. So I don't know how moving to the AHL would help them really. I don't see more people showing up just more $.

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I don't understand concerns about the location. Aren't the northern suburbs of Atlanta the most populous part of the area anyway?

There might be more to do after the game downtown, but as for people getting to the games, they would mostly come from the the northern suburban areas anyway.


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02-28-2012, 10:52 PM
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Not a resident but I have heard many a times that the traffic in the Gwinnett/Atlanta area blows, so the locale may matter somewhat.

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02-29-2012, 10:53 AM
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[QUOTE=HansH;44758129]You forget that it will take at least 90 minutes to get from the airport to the arena, maybe more in rush-hour traffic. ...QUOTE]

Where do you get that number?

I live 1 mile from the Gwinnett arena. It's 45 minutes to the airport from here.

I'm also a former Thrasher season ticket holder. I don't go to Glads games. I would go to some AHL games if there were a team here.

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02-29-2012, 02:46 PM
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Was just wondering if anyone thinks that what happen with Charlotte could happen to Gwinnett in that an AHL team moves to Duluth GA and takes over the Gwinnett Gladiators name? I certainly don't mind the ECHL but an AHL team would be very cool.
the only problem is as Charlotte did was to buy a license, but it's highly doubtful now w/ Milwaukee and Nashville extending their agreement

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02-29-2012, 02:49 PM
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Said this before but I would welcome an Atlanta-based AHL team any day. Instant rivalry with the Checkers.
Charlotte has one had they not realigned them to the West, there was a developing one w/ Norfolk (Hampton Roads)....

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the only problem is as Charlotte did was to buy a license, but it's highly doubtful now w/ Milwaukee and Nashville extending their agreement
Hutch; it is only for three more years. That would make 17.

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Hutch; it is only for three more years. That would make 17.
not the point, Charlotte had to buy the license to get in the league, didn't they, adsfan?, we're already at 30 as it is.

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not the point, Charlotte had to buy the license to get in the league, didn't they, adsfan?, we're already at 30 as it is.

If Gwinnett wants in, they have to buy in just like Charlotte, Iowa, QC, etc.

I imagine if they offered some coin for say springfield, syracuse, binghamton, etc, they would be able to get the license they need. Everybody has a price.

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You forget that it will take at least 90 minutes to get from the airport to the arena, maybe more in rush-hour traffic. ...QUOTE]

Where do you get that number?

I live 1 mile from the Gwinnett arena. It's 45 minutes to the airport from here.

I'm also a former Thrasher season ticket holder. I don't go to Glads games. I would go to some AHL games if there were a team here.
It might be 45 minutes if you don't hit any traffic. Also go check out the Glads I mean for goodness sake it is the only hockey in town now. I've been to 5 games and will likely make it to 7 before the end of the season and it takes me an hour to get there going 78 to GA 20 to Sugarloaf.

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The Wolves slapped all Chicagoland hockey fans in the face by affiliating with the Vancouver Canucks.
Averaging 7400+ per game shows me just how pissed Wolves fans are about that.

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not the point, Charlotte had to buy the license to get in the league, didn't they, adsfan?, we're already at 30 as it is.
Unless somebody gets a temp license to make 31 again. I don't expect that to happen again, but I didn't expect it the first time either.

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If Gwinnett wants in, they have to buy in just like Charlotte, Iowa, QC, etc.

I imagine if they offered some coin for say springfield, syracuse, binghamton, etc, they would be able to get the license they need. Everybody has a price.
How about Abby or OKC? They have low attendance. Syracuse has rejected an extension with the Ducks. They either want a better deal or a different NHL team. Springfield is the league HQ. I bet Dave Andrews would have something to say about them relocating. Bingo has a small arena, but they just won the Cup. Wow, that would be crushing to their fans! I am not sure that Ottawa would like that now.

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Unless somebody gets a temp license to make 31 again. I don't expect that to happen again, but I didn't expect it the first time either.
The difference is the temp didn't make it 31 teams playing, just 30 teams playing, but you knew that!!

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How about Abby or OKC? They have low attendance. Syracuse has rejected an extension with the Ducks. They either want a better deal or a different NHL team. Springfield is the league HQ. I bet Dave Andrews would have something to say about them relocating. Bingo has a small arena, but they just won the Cup. Wow, that would be crushing to their fans! I am not sure that Ottawa would like that now.

I would be if I had $10+ million and walked in and offered it, almost every owner would sell.

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03-05-2012, 04:11 PM
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I view the Gwinette market as very similar to Cincinnati. Both Atlanta and Cincinnati are major league markets for other sports, but not for hockey. Minor league will be view as minor league by all but a few hockey enthusiasts. The difference in cost structure (about double in the AHL vs. the ECHL) can't be supported by ticket prices and sponsorships.

I would think that the only viable AHL scenario in either city would be if each city's team were owned by an NHL club which would be willing to underwrite losses of $1-$2 million per year.

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I'm also a former Thrasher season ticket holder. I don't go to Glads games. I would go to some AHL games if there were a team here.
Just curious, by why not go to Glads games? The difference between it and the AHL isn't that great, and for what you spent on Thrashers STs you could probably get the best package the Glads have to offer. Is there something other than just the level of hockey holding you back or is it all about the league?

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I view the Gwinette market as very similar to Cincinnati. Both Atlanta and Cincinnati are major league markets for other sports, but not for hockey. Minor league will be view as minor league by all but a few hockey enthusiasts. The difference in cost structure (about double in the AHL vs. the ECHL) can't be supported by ticket prices and sponsorships.
Couldn't you say the exact same thing about Charlotte?

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Watching a ECHL Team > Watching an NHL owned AHL team ham it up

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Watching a ECHL Team > Watching an NHL owned AHL team ham it up
Honestly the ECHL is just like having an NHL Owned AHL team. The two leagues aren't all that different anymore.

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Honestly the ECHL is just like having an NHL Owned AHL team.
No, it's not.

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Yes, they are.

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No, it's not.



Yes, they are.
You're right, the ECHL might actually be better now!

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