OK, so what should the expectation be for Henrik then? A 62 point player lead the playoffs in scoring so 100 point Henrik should beat him by 40%? Is that the right math?
David Krejci would be the number one centre on the Canucks. He would centre the best offensive wingers and run the power play. I'm not sure where you were going with that.
So you're saying Krejci is better than Henrik Sedin? We all know my thoughts about the Sedins but even I disagree with that.
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One thing I will say about the Twins, and I am a huge fan, ever since they were drafted... they do not fight through enough checks. I think the diving, especially in the playoffs is really hurting them now, as officials are really hesitant to call a penalty. Far too often do they fall over from a stick to the leg, instead of powering through and getting a scoring chance, or passing a good shooting opportunity.
They need to be more selfish, and put up some stats for themselves, and get some dirty goals to keep the opposition honest. Right now they are being houded with impunity and are doing nothing about it.
When's the last time one of the twins dove? This team cut that **** out last year.
malkin vs the west = 18 pts in 15 games, 1.2 PPG
Stamkos vs the west = 22 points in 16 games, 1.375 PPG
giroux vs the west = 22 points in 17 games, 1.29 PPG
I might have answered that wrong He wouldn't unseat Henrik, obviously. I didn't really understand the question, my bad.
Well then, if he wouldn't unseat Henrik then why do you think it's fair to compare Henrik to inferior players? Thats like people comparing Luongo's playoff performance to Dan Ellis.
Well then, if he wouldn't unseat Henrik then why do you think it's fair to compare Henrik to inferior players? Thats like people comparing Luongo's playoff performance to Dan Ellis.
So, comparing Henrik to the numer 1 centre and leading scorer on the cup winning team is the same as comparing Luongo to Dan Ellis? Fine, I give up.
When's the last time one of the twins dove? This team cut that **** out last year.
Not in last year's playoffs, they didn't. There was a marked uptick in diving/falling down in the playoffs relative to the regular season - not just the Sedins, several others on the team exhibited the same pattern.
OK, so what should the expectation be for Henrik then? A 62 point player lead the playoffs in scoring so 100 point Henrik should beat him by 40%? Is that the right math?
David Krejci would be the number one centre on the Canucks. He would centre the best offensive wingers and run the power play. I'm not sure where you were going with that.
that's ridiculous. no way krejci would be ahead of henrik on the canucks, and he wouldn't be ahead of kesler either, at least he wouldn't have been last year. this year kesler has dropped off offensively so i guess it's possible but doubt it. and if you think krejci would run the first pp over the sedins you're suffering from brain damage. i don't get at all how you put krejci and sedin in the same tier of nhl players.
the expectations for henrik were/are that he should drive the offense of the team and show up on the scoresheet in every series, and especially when it counts the most. and he sure as hell should be scoring some points on the pp, both this month and in the finals.
Not in last year's playoffs, they didn't. There was a marked uptick in diving/falling down in the playoffs relative to the regular season - not just the Sedins, several others on the team exhibited the same pattern.
Time will tell what happens this post-season.
Meh- I chalk this up to the eastern Media dumping on the canucks, coupled with fans of every other team on this site frothing at the mouth, and good Canucks posters trying to look "unbiased" by agreeing with the circle-you know what.
Last year, diving was up across the board. In fact, Anaheim was calling out the "rough and tough" "proud non diving team" Nashville Predators for diving in the first series of that playoff.
I intensely and vehemently deny that the Canucks dove more or less than any other team in that years playoff. I would suggest those that do think the Canucks dove more than other teams re-watch the Anaheim-Nashville series in its entirety.
There is nothing wrong with the Sedins. Fans have to stop having unrealistic expectations. Every players in this league goes through a slump. from 09/10 to 10/11, Henrik Sedin has 206 points and Daniel Sedin has 189 points. Prorated to about Henrik total. To expect that kind of production every year is a lot to ask. Also fatigue might be an issue as well. Stats show that when stars goes to stanley Cup final, the following season is not that strong. Look at the past players that went to stanley Cup final. All had a drop off in production the following year
Staal back in 2006 had 100 points, the next year he had 70 points
Zetterberg in 2008 had 92 points, the next year he had 73
Malkin in 2009 had 113 points, the next year he had 77
Kane in 2010 had 88 points, the next year he had 73
Selanne and niedermayer won the cup in 2007, the following year they had to take half of the year off. Not sure about Selanne but Neidermayer even said after they won in 2007, He was so banged up that he couldn't even start the season
I've read so many times on these boards that the regular season doesn't matter ... so why this thread?
Honestly, I think the Sedins along with the rest of the team know the post season is the real goal, and that's led to some sloppy play and bad habits. The changes to the hooking, holding and interference haven't helped either, but I suspect the team will gradually improve down the stretch, and we'll get to see some much better hockey.
The Winnipeg game was a turning point of sorts. The Sedins played a much better game, and really should have come away with multiple points ... but more than that, they kept at it until the final buzzer.
Vigneault has time to try different combinations throughout the lineup with the Canucks point totals to date, but I think we'll see things settle down as the players begin to really focus on preparing for a long post season run.
I'm not at all worried about the Sedins, and I think this year will be their best post season to date.
I'm aware of that. But people should be consistent with the way they judge players.
I agree that Loungo gets a lot of undeserved criticism, even more when Schneider is playing well (which is kind of unrelated to Loungo's game, but rationality isn't always at its prime on internet forums).
When it comes to being consistent with the way people judge players I would say that some often come across as being towards the Sedins in a similar way as the posters some criticize when they bash Loungo - the argument works both ways.
With that said, I agree with your previous post up here that we shall judge the Sedins this year based on their play-off performance. My take on the team now is that our top players - that is primarily the first line and Kesler; I could imagine that Edler and Salo - are playing with a bit of preserve for the play-off. They are probably being tuned by the physical experts to peak performance wise the coming months. Our secondary scoring is excellent so the team can actually afford doing this. It is a luxury few can afford, look at the teams clawing to get into the play-off, they will not have their top 4 players primed when play-off come.
If Luongo put in the performance that the Sedins have, he'd be absolutely ripped and people would want to ship him out of here so fast.
Don't believe me? Read the posts in the Luongo thread from October.
Goalies in hockey and QBs in football are always held to a different standard than "regular" players. It's just the way it is, and yes it is fair. No single position can singlehandedly win a hockey/football game, but a goalie/QB can singlehandedly LOSE a game.
If the Sedins have a bad game, there's 16 other skaters that can pick up the slack. If Luongo has a bad game, there's almost zero chance of the team winning, unless the other goalie has an equally bad game. Peeps often say this isn't fair, but most professional goalies/QBs will say the reason they started playing their position in the first place is because they liked having the extra pressure/impact on the game.
Also it's worth noting, the Sedins have two Art Rosses and two MVPs between them, if Luongo had a Vezina/Hart or two, he'd be given the benefit of the doubt by more people as well.
The thing that strikes me, is that AV seems plenty willing to piss around with splitting the Twins up and such to 'send a message'...
Yet with this whole 'zone start specialization' shenanigans, AV is essentially handing the opposing coach a license to hard-match against the Twins with whatever defensive pairing and 'shutdown line' he wants. There's no chess-match...AV tips his hand before the game even starts. It's mindnumbingly obvious who is going to hop over the boards, which doesn't do much to take advantage of home ice last change.
He wouldn't unseat Henrik, obviously. I didn't really understand the question, my bad.
