The nats are going to be very good soon. And it coincides with the age of our team. We will get older and they will be hitting their prime and overtake us.
Possibly. But not for an extended period of time, maybe one or two years. Because:
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2015 is the year that our TV deal is up with comcast. An article on Philly.com came out about 2 weeks ago how a Phillies Network would make them a Perennial Powerhouse. That Tv deal coupled with the popularity of the Phils would allow us to have an almost unlimited payroll and still allow the owners to turn a massive prophet.
Success has turned Philadelphia into a Baseball first city for the first time ever and the owners are capitalizing on the Phillies golden era. If they start their own television network the Phils will be mentioned in the same breath at the Yanks, and ahead of the Red Sox. Then we can start buying ourselves any player we want.
The Phillies are spending the 2nd most money in baseball WITHOUT a legitamate TV contract. People forecasting the Phillies demise expect that once this core's run is over then that is it for the Phils. They don't realize that the Phillies only generate like $24m a year from their TV contract which one of the lowest in the league I believe.
The Texas Rangers just signed a deal that pays them $100m a year. The Phillies need to remain competitive until 2015, and if that happens they will become the NL Yankees.
One thing is for sure though, the Phillies are not going to be the team they were in the 90's again for a long time.
Harper is going to be given every opportunity to make the big leagues this year. I think this is the year Zimmerman explodes as long as he doesn't get injured.
On a baseball related note, in my main keeper baseball league I traded a 2nd, 5th and 6th round draft picks for SP Mike Montgomery[31st in top 100 prospects] (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/) & a 7th round pick. I needed a young arm badly, considering my 1-2 SP's are old but still pretty game good[Halladay and Beckett]
What can they do? They've got a few of these guys locked up long term to some rough contracts...not much flexibility there
Eh.. I'm not sure their contracts are all that rough aside from Howard. They can also move players. Regardless of what people tend to think, Howard is moveable if the Phils pay some of the salary.
And like I said before, its 2012 and the Phils will most likely again win the division even though it should be tougher. If the Nats overtake us next year, that's the 2013 season. That means that 2015 is right around the corner.
The Phillies are at a turning point in their franchise's history. If they can win another WS this year, or at least remain competitive for the next couple years they are going to receive an enormous TV deal from someone.They have been spending a ton of money without a real TV deal, and when they finally get one they will be the Yankees of the NL.
They're run of completely dominating the division may be over soon, but they're not going to fall off into obscurity. They will remain in the mix every year. I also highly doubt any one team dominates the division over the next couple years the way the Phils have for the past couple years.
Eh.. I'm not sure their contracts are all that rough aside from Howard. They can also move players. Regardless of what people tend to think, Howard is moveable if the Phils pay some of the salary.
And like I said before, its 2012 and the Phils will most likely again win the division even though it should be tougher. If the Nats overtake us next year, that's the 2013 season. That means that 2015 is right around the corner.
The Phillies are at a turning point in their franchise's history. If they can win another WS this year, or at least remain competitive for the next couple years they are going to receive an enormous TV deal from someone.They have been spending a ton of money without a real TV deal, and when they finally get one they will be the Yankees of the NL.
They're run of completely dominating the division may be over soon, but they're not going to fall off into obscurity. They will remain in the mix every year. I also highly doubt any one team dominates the division over the next couple years the way the Phils have for the past couple years.
12:$20M, 13:$20M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$25M, 17:$23M club option ($10M buyout)
Eh.. I'm not sure their contracts are all that rough aside from Howard. They can also move players. Regardless of what people tend to think, Howard is moveable if the Phils pay some of the salary.
And like I said before, its 2012 and the Phils will most likely again win the division even though it should be tougher. If the Nats overtake us next year, that's the 2013 season. That means that 2015 is right around the corner.
The Phillies are at a turning point in their franchise's history. If they can win another WS this year, or at least remain competitive for the next couple years they are going to receive an enormous TV deal from someone.They have been spending a ton of money without a real TV deal, and when they finally get one they will be the Yankees of the NL.
They're run of completely dominating the division may be over soon, but they're not going to fall off into obscurity. They will remain in the mix every year. I also highly doubt any one team dominates the division over the next couple years the way the Phils have for the past couple years.
How freaking cool would it be to have a Phillies TV network like the Yankees have?
12:$20M, 13:$20M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$25M, 17:$23M club option ($10M buyout)
Thats hard/impossible to move.
13:$12M, 14:$17M, 15: $17M, 16: $17M.
There are teams that would take Howard if the Phils were willing to pay to move him. If he hits another 35+ home runs in a shortened season there will be teams interested in him.
The questions are do they want to move him, how bad, are they willing to pay, if so how much, and what do they have in mind as a replacement?
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How freaking cool would it be to have a Phillies TV network like the Yankees have?
It would be pretty awesome. I'd like to see it, but I'm not sure if it's feasible though.
Eh.. I'm not sure their contracts are all that rough aside from Howard. They can also move players. Regardless of what people tend to think, Howard is moveable if the Phils pay some of the salary.
And like I said before, its 2012 and the Phils will most likely again win the division even though it should be tougher. If the Nats overtake us next year, that's the 2013 season. That means that 2015 is right around the corner.
The Phillies are at a turning point in their franchise's history. If they can win another WS this year, or at least remain competitive for the next couple years they are going to receive an enormous TV deal from someone.They have been spending a ton of money without a real TV deal, and when they finally get one they will be the Yankees of the NL.
They're run of completely dominating the division may be over soon, but they're not going to fall off into obscurity. They will remain in the mix every year. I also highly doubt any one team dominates the division over the next couple years the way the Phils have for the past couple years.
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In the next 20 months, Phillies will face free agency of Cole Hamels, Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence. Hard to imagine they keep all of them.
Pick two. Your youngest ace, the emotional firestarter in the lineup and biggest SB threat, or your new, youngest, and best hitter on the team, RH with pop. We were fortunate this season to sign a TON of MLB talent to bench/minor league contracts. Wigginton, Pierre, Thome, Nix, Podsednik, Bush, Pinero, Qualls, Elarton is a ridiculous haul for not much money at all. But age, health, and finances are not on Amaro's side right now.
Pick two. Your youngest ace, the emotional firestarter in the lineup and biggest SB threat, or your new, youngest, and best hitter on the team, RH with pop. We were fortunate this season to sign a TON of MLB talent to bench/minor league contracts. Wigginton, Pierre, Thome, Nix, Podsednik, Bush, Pinero, Qualls, Elarton is a ridiculous haul for not much money at all. But age, health, and finances are not on Amaro's side right now.
Hamels and Pence.
Vitcorino was one of the people I was thinking of when I said that they can move players.
There are going to be a lot of hard decisions coming for Amaro, but the point is the Phillies are done being cellar dwellers for the foreseeable future. As long as this ownership is in place, and that new giant TV deal gets signed they are going to be competitors for a long time.
I'm not saying that they're going to continue to steamroll the NL East. What I'm saying is this idea that it is a forgone conclusion that the Nationals are going to have the same type of run the Phillies have just had is very premature. And honestly it's kind of annoying to continuously hear it in a Phillies thread.
Vitcorino was one of the people I was thinking of when I said that they can move players.
There are going to be a lot of hard decisions coming for Amaro, but the point is the Phillies are done being cellar dwellers for the foreseeable future. As long as this ownership is in place, and that new giant TV deal gets signed they are going to be competitors for a long time.
I'm not saying that they're going to continue to steamroll the NL East. What I'm saying is this idea that it is a forgone conclusion that the Nationals are going to have the same type of run the Phillies have just had is very premature. And honestly it's kind of annoying to continuously hear it in a Phillies thread.
I agree that we won't become the mid-late 90s version of the Phillies again for some time. Players have seen what kind of baseball town this CAN be, and played in our fantastic hitters park...which has oddly attracted some of the best pitchers to play here.
As for the Nats, obviously I'm very big on them. They've been last in the division for years, and are still drawing offseason talent, and that shows you that they're heading in the right direction. Eventually they'll have their pieces fall into place, and I think the improvement starts this season, and the breakout next season (Harper at 20, most "phenoms" break out at 20-21, and struggle at 19). I can't predict a Phillies-like run for them though, because I do still think the Phils and Marlins will be good, and the Braves will be great. It'll be a great division for years to come.
I agree that we won't become the mid-late 90s version of the Phillies again for some time. Players have seen what kind of baseball town this CAN be, and played in our fantastic hitters park...which has oddly attracted some of the best pitchers to play here.
As for the Nats, obviously I'm very big on them. They've been last in the division for years, and are still drawing offseason talent, and that shows you that they're heading in the right direction. Eventually they'll have their pieces fall into place, and I think the improvement starts this season, and the breakout next season (Harper at 20, most "phenoms" break out at 20-21, and struggle at 19). I can't predict a Phillies-like run for them though, because I do still think the Phils and Marlins will be good, and the Braves will be great. It'll be a great division for years to come.
I think it will be similar to the AL East with 3 really strong teams every year.
The run the Phils have been on is awesome, and I know it isn't going to last forever. I'm just happy that I truly believe once this run is done the Phils will still be fielding a competitive team every year, much like the Flyers have done for the past 15 years or so.
I agree that we won't become the mid-late 90s version of the Phillies again for some time. Players have seen what kind of baseball town this CAN be, and played in our fantastic hitters park...which has oddly attracted some of the best pitchers to play here.
Mid-to-late 90s? Try mid-80s to early 2000s, with one good year in there to break it up (1993). I am continually reminded how young this audience must be, when people act like the Scott Rolen years were the nadir of this franchise. Once Mike Schmidt retired, there wasn't a ton to get excited about until the 1993 season, then it all fell apart the next year (hooray Greg Jeffries...d'oh!).
Mid-to-late 90s? Try mid-80s to early 2000s, with one good year in there to break it up (1993). I am continually reminded how young this audience must be, when people act like the Scott Rolen years were the nadir of this franchise. Once Mike Schmidt retired, there wasn't a ton to get excited about until the 1993 season, then it all fell apart the next year (hooray Greg Jeffries...d'oh!).
Pretty much. I was born in 87, didn't really start watching/understanding until 93. So the mid-late 90s is the futile era for me.
Mid-to-late 90s? Try mid-80s to early 2000s, with one good year in there to break it up (1993). I am continually reminded how young this audience must be, when people act like the Scott Rolen years were the nadir of this franchise. Once Mike Schmidt retired, there wasn't a ton to get excited about until the 1993 season, then it all fell apart the next year (hooray Greg Jeffries...d'oh!).
This week is the 25 year anniversary of the Lance Parish signing. Jeebus can't believe it's been that long!! Remember how the Phillies had "arrived" with that signing?! Yea not so much.
The Phillies are now a team for women. The fanbase is now 90% yappy sorority broads in ironic straw cowboy hats.
I wish the Phillies never won a world series.
I've had this same feeling since 2008. 2008 was great, one of the best things I've ever witnessed. I wouldn't change that, I just wished they sucked after that. It is very difficult to find a real Phillies fan these days. It is no longer about the Phillies or baseball, it is about going to the games and getting drunk so you can tell your friends that you went to the game and got drunk. It used to be that Phillies fans were actual fans. Prior to 2008 if someone was wearing a Phillies hat, they could talk (and would talk) all day about the Phillies and baseball in general. Now, half the people either will just flat out not talk about the Phillies or baseball, despite their "love" of the team or will be able to talk about Roy Halladay and Chase Utley but little else.
My favorite is how many of these people have been fans since birth and they grew up going to the Vet etc. Which is why the stadium was always sold out and the team was so popular. Ugh. This topic really bugs me!
The Phillies are now a team for women. The fanbase is now 90% yappy sorority broads in ironic straw cowboy hats.
I wish the Phillies never won a world series.
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I've had this same feeling since 2008. 2008 was great, one of the best things I've ever witnessed. I wouldn't change that, I just wished they sucked after that. It is very difficult to find a real Phillies fan these days. It is no longer about the Phillies or baseball, it is about going to the games and getting drunk so you can tell your friends that you went to the game and got drunk. It used to be that Phillies fans were actual fans. Prior to 2008 if someone was wearing a Phillies hat, they could talk (and would talk) all day about the Phillies and baseball in general. Now, half the people either will just flat out not talk about the Phillies or baseball, despite their "love" of the team or will be able to talk about Roy Halladay and Chase Utley but little else.
My favorite is how many of these people have been fans since birth and they grew up going to the Vet etc. Which is why the stadium was always sold out and the team was so popular. Ugh. This topic really bugs me!
Same thing happened with the Red Sox after 2004. It's a bandwagon society we live in, especially when it comes to sports. And, let's be honest, what girl isn't gonna go googoogaga for Chase Utley? He is (was? ) all that is man.
Whatever, all I know is these days are just a little bit better than when I went to the Vet and could only get Ricky ****ing Otero's autograph.
Same thing happened with the Red Sox after 2004. It's a bandwagon society we live in, especially when it comes to sports. And, let's be honest, what girl isn't gonna go googoogaga for Chase Utley? He is (was? ) all that is man.
This is true. Gotta deal with it, but it is annoying.
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Whatever, all I know is these days are just a little bit better than when I went to the Vet and could only get Ricky ****ing Otero's autograph.
No way. I have Curt Schilling's autograph and Scott Rolen's from back in the day! To me, it was so much more fun talking about "this is the year we hit .500!" and "Travis Lee is going to be such a good acquisition!" rather than "if we don't win 100 games and a WS the season is a waste!"
I don't know. As much as I dislike the bandwagoners that show up to the game drunk and would ask "Who just slid?" after I say "That was a nice slider," I'll put up with them as long as it means this franchise continues to stay good and gives the fans a chance to witness something nice year in and year out.
I'll compare 2008 to 1993 in a way. 1993 was great, and a nice surprise season surrounded by tons of bleak ones, and they didn't even win it all. It gave fans hope, but with the strike soon following it and the return to the Phils "norm" of those years that hope faded. Sure, each spring brought some of that hope back as all springs do, but for the most part by Labor Day the season was all but over.
2008 actually gave the fans what 1993 didn't; a championship this town hadn't seen for 25 years. And the organization rightfully saw that this was a good thing, and has made serious attempts to continue to win them. They didn't have to. They could've went the Marlins circa 1998 route. The expectations may be greater nowadays, but the hope isn't lost by the All-Star break. Those bandwagon fans showing up is just an unfortunate (yet monetarily helpful to the franchise) side effect.
I think I'd much rather watch this team with a chance to do something special in a packed CBP with a bunch of those bandwagoners instead of previous lean years in a half-empty at best Veterans stadium with fans that knew something. As much as I'd like to sit around more knowledgeable fans, I go to watch the team, and I'd prefer watching a good product. If I really feel the urge to talk baseball with people, I've got my father, friends and the interwebs.
Yea not so much.
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