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03-08-2012, 03:29 PM
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he's matt carles heir to turnovers.

im just not a big gus fan.
but he's the next friggin Timonen!

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Hope he gets a chance to play while he's up, I've been looking forward to seeing him play for about a year now. Of course I don't want him playing a lot...that would mean another d-man is down long term

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but he's the next friggin Timonen!
You will never live that down. Damn you Lappy!

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So all 6 defenseman practiced, none of them are declared out yet, yet Carchidi says MANNING is the emergency recall.

Per the CBA you must have less than 6 defenseman to have an emergency callup. So you can have an emergency callup now if you MIGHT have less than 6 defenseman? I don't see how that is allowed unless someone is declared out beforehand.
I'm pretty sure Harry Z. was the emergency recall.

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I'm pretty sure Harry Z. was the emergency recall.
That was my thought as well. Which would mean Carchidi was wrong.

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That was my thought as well. Which would mean Carchidi was wrong.
There's an inconsistency among the reporting. One publication (Delaware County Daily Times) cited Holmgren as saying both were emergency recalls. Another limited Harry Z. to the emergency....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...141917823.html

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Harry Z, Manning recalled. The Flyers, who have won three straight, recalled forward Harry Zolnierczyk and 21-year-old defenseman Brandon Manning from the Phantoms. Manning, who was an emergency call-up, is insurance in case one of the six defensemen who played Tuesday cannot go against Florida.
http://gcobb.com/2012/03/08/flyers-r...from-phantoms/

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Manning may not actually play tonight but could be a seventh defenseman in case of more injuries. The Flyers have recalled Harry Z under emergency conditions, meaning they still have one more recall left before the end of the season.
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In other news, the Flyers recalled forward Harry Zolnierczyk and 21-year-old offensive defenseman Brandon Manning. Interestingly, Holmgren called both of them "emergency callups," which might indicate there was a question as to the health of another defenseman, though all six that played against the Red Wings practiced today.


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Doesn't Manning have some forward background?

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There's an inconsistency among the reporting. One publication (Delaware County Daily Times) cited Holmgren as saying both were emergency recalls. Another limited Harry Z. to the emergency....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...141917823.html



http://gcobb.com/2012/03/08/flyers-r...from-phantoms/



http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/in...7a27db50669e35
Wow got to love our media.

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Doesn't Manning have some forward background?
He's been referred to as a defenseman through his WHL junior days from what I can see.

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There's an inconsistency among the reporting. One publication (Delaware County Daily Times) cited Holmgren as saying both were emergency recalls. Another limited Harry Z. to the emergency....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...141917823.html



http://gcobb.com/2012/03/08/flyers-r...from-phantoms/



http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/in...7a27db50669e35
Great find. I may write about this.

Isn't there ANYWHERE where this has to be listed? I can't possibly see how the Flyers would be allowed to recall Manning as an emergency unless a D-man was declared OUT prior to recalling him. But if they practiced...

It's so strange.

Edit: I know capgeek does but it takes some time. They don't have them listed yet.

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Great find. I may write about this.

Isn't there ANYWHERE where this has to be listed? I can't possibly see how the Flyers would be allowed to recall Manning as an emergency unless a D-man was declared OUT prior to recalling him. But if they practiced...

It's so strange.

Edit: I know capgeek does but it takes some time. They don't have them listed yet.
Technically, the writers aren't incorrect IF both were emergency recalls. However, even so, the term "emergency recalls/callups" should be attached to both names in print.

In a perfect world, it should be part of the press release issued earlier today on the team's website but that term may be too "inside" and deemed not necessary.

My suggestion is to contact the team's PR/media relations staff for clarification.

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Believe it or not, I'm not exactly in control of all that. It'd be nice if writers were just given webpages to edit by themselves. It's a lot more detailed to get that stuff edited than just write articles.

But yeah, barring that, Manning:

Basically take Mike Richards and turn him into a defenseman. That's what Manning was for Chilliwack in his last two years there. Not gigantic, but big enough. Physical, and dominating both defensively and offensively.

As some of you remember he was hurt to start off and missed camp because of it. He kind of vanished but then reappeared. It was slow going early on when he was trying to get his bearings, but he's become a really good player for Adirondack since. There's still some growing to be done, but I don't know how quickly it's going to come.

Unfortunately, it's hard to get a read on him as far as just what will translate to the NHL for him. Normally guys like him without extreme offensive instincts become the shutdown guys at the NHL level, but he doesn't really have the size to be that guy.

It could go the other way though. Since he's such a solid utility guy as a two-way defenseman, if he reaches his potential he could be very good at the NHL level.
Yea for some reason I dont really believe that. I mean have you personally seen him play? Comparing a defenseman to Mike Richards is pretty off the wall.

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That was my thought as well. Which would mean Carchidi was wrong.
It surely wouldnt be the first, and it most definitely wont be the last.

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There's an inconsistency among the reporting. One publication (Delaware County Daily Times) cited Holmgren as saying both were emergency recalls. Another limited Harry Z. to the emergency....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...141917823.html



http://gcobb.com/2012/03/08/flyers-r...from-phantoms/



http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/in...7a27db50669e35

Hey if you throw all three at the wall, one of them has to be right, right? Not surprised coming from our local writers

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Doesn't Manning have some forward background?
If Im not mistaken, Manning played forward either in the early junior days or before he played in the WHL. I remember he was a forward converted to defense though. Read that somewhere.

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Yea for some reason I dont really believe that. I mean have you personally seen him play? Comparing a defenseman to Mike Richards is pretty off the wall.
I clarified it right after...I don't know why you're having problems.

In Chilliwack he was their leader physically, defensively, and chipped in quite a bit offensively. He made some big hits as well.

Honestly, if you're going to read exactly what I write and decide after the fact to imagine what I say differently it's not my problem.

Nowhere did I say that Manning was going to turn into a Mike Richards.

And yes, I've seen him play. Not "personally" because it wasn't in person. But I've seen him play quite a few times.

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This is from mid-December:

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Manning's road to the Phantoms' lineup has been much harder than anyone would have imagined when the Flyers signed him as undrafted defenseman out of Chilliwack in the Western Hockey League last November. Manning, who turned down an offer from the New York Rangers after attending training camp with them last fall, seemed on the fast track.

But even as he put up a point-per-game pace last season, a nagging injury caused him to miss some time and travel to Philadelphia for evaluation. Surgery in April to repair two tears in his groin and abdomen was supposed to fix that. It didn't do the trick completely.

Manning became increasingly uncomfortable as the summer progressed and had a second surgery just before training camp in April to repair the labrum in his hip.

"It's kind of like the chicken and egg thing, which came first? The whole time last year was it my hip bothering me? Or whether it was my groin that developed into my hip, or was it something separate?" Manning said. "You look back on it now and maybe I should have stayed off it a bit more last year, but that's tough to do when you're playing hockey and want to do that every day."

Manning began skating in late October and made his debut for the Phantoms on Dec. 3. Understandably, he's not quite 100 percent.

Manning said he had a bit of soreness after playing back-to-back games last weekend and Paterson is hesitant to play him in all three games of a three-in-three.

Manning hasn't yet been able to show the gritty side of his game that belies his listed size of 6-feet, 195 pounds and reputation as a smooth-handling, offensive defenseman. No stranger to dropping the gloves, Manning averaged more than 135 penalty minutes per season in his three years at Chilliwack.

"I like to play the physical game, I like to mix it up a little bit," Manning said. "You're a little gun shy off the start, but once I get comfortable, I definitely want to play that game."
Read more: http://poststar.com/sports/rookie-s-...#ixzz1oZQov0EZ

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If Im not mistaken, Manning played forward either in the early junior days or before he played in the WHL. I remember he was a forward converted to defense though. Read that somewhere.
Thought so

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Posted this in the other thread, but according to Timmy P Manning is playing.

Look forward to it. Probably the only defensive prospect I like as much as Gustafsson.

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^ The team confirmed that, he will play tonight.

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Posted this in the other thread, but according to Timmy P Manning is playing.

Look forward to it. Probably the only defensive prospect I like as much as Gustafsson.
Manning is not our top defensive prospect, but he's my favorite of the group and our darkhorse to be the best long-term out of our current defensive prospects if Gustafsson never learns to play bigger than himself like Timonen.

I'm pretty excited.

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Kubina is the odd man out. Could be related to his eye.

Edit : Kubina is confirmed as the replaced player.


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I clarified it right after...I don't know why you're having problems.

In Chilliwack he was their leader physically, defensively, and chipped in quite a bit offensively. He made some big hits as well.

Honestly, if you're going to read exactly what I write and decide after the fact to imagine what I say differently it's not my problem.

Nowhere did I say that Manning was going to turn into a Mike Richards.

And yes, I've seen him play. Not "personally" because it wasn't in person. But I've seen him play quite a few times.
Oh have you?

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Oh have you?
Yes.

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Yes.
watching on the computer doesnt count

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watching on the computer doesnt count
I haven't been to an Eagles game since we signed Vick, so I've only seen Vick on the computer or TV.

So, by your logic, I don't know that Vick is a fast runner because I've never seen him in person.

After all, what I'm seeing on the TV or computer could be lying to me.



Brilliant.

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Why wouldn't that count? Quit trying to be a hard ass.

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