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03-04-2012, 03:08 AM
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Things are getting tight in the East, with 8th through 12th being within 1 game of controlling their destiny.

The West from 5th to 11th is separated by a mere 5 points.

Current head-to-head tiebreakers have been added to the original post.


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Phoenix has once again relinquished control of the Pacific Division to San Jose.

Edmonton has moved to 1 point of being eliminated from the Northwest Division race. They will be eliminated tomorrow with:
- A Vancouver win against Dallas, OR
- A Vancouver OT/shootout loss against Dallas, OR
- An Edmonton OT/shootout/regulation loss against San Jose

Huge day on tap for tomorrow, with 14 of 15 teams in the tightly-packed Western Conference in action and 10 Eastern Conference teams.


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Phoenix has once again relinquished control of the Pacific Division to San Jose.

Edmonton has moved to 1 point of being eliminated from the Northwest Division race. They will be eliminated tomorrow with:
- A Vancouver win against Dallas, OR
- A Vancouver OT/shootout loss against Dallas, OR
- An Edmonton OT/shootout/regulation loss against San Jose

Huge day on tap for tomorrow, with 14 of 15 teams in the tightly-packed Western Conference in action and 10 Eastern Conference teams.
Yeah man!! I'm heavy into the Howson too! It's gonna happen for the 'Jackets next year isn't it???!!!


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FYI, this site has all the magic #s and more:

http://playoffstatus.com/nhl/eastern...icnumbers.html
As does this site.

http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/

It has the run in based on form of last 10 games too.

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03-07-2012, 12:15 AM
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Updated through 3/6/2012. I've also added divisional elimination numbers for teams that are 15 points or less away from being unable to win the division.

Western Conference teams are so nice...Detroit relinquished control of the #1 seed to Vancouver, who then relinquished it to St. Louis.

Phoenix no longer controls its own destiny; Los Angeles slides up into the 8th spot.

No Western games for tomorrow, and little of consequence that can take place in the East with just two games.


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Only 4 of the Stars, Hawks, Coyotes, Sharks, Kings, Avalanche, Flames, Ducks and Wild can make it.

It's going to be a tight finish

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Lot of movement today; some of the numbers are changing quite dramatically.

Los Angeles once again relinquished control of their playoff destiny to Phoenix.
Dallas has taken over control of the Pacific Division, the third different team to have control in the last five days.
Edmonton has been eliminated from the Northwest Division race.

Four games on tap for tomorrow, any one of which can make things even more interesting than they're already getting.

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Dallas just increased their division lead last night, they got it earlier this week or late last week.

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Dallas just increased their division lead last night, they got it earlier this week or late last week.
They lead their division but they didn't control it because other teams had games at hand. If San Jose had won out (before losing last night), SJ would have won the division regardless of what Dallas did. Not the case anymore.

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how crazy would it be for columus to climb out of the basement and actually make it? they aren't eliminated yet

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how crazy would it be for columus to climb out of the basement and actually make it? they aren't eliminated yet
They have 15 games left. They need to win 12 games just to pull even with where the Sharks are now. They can only get a maximum of 81 points. They're out of it.

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They have 15 games left. They need to win 12 games just to pull even with where the Sharks are now. They can only get a maximum of 81 points. They're out of it.
They aren't elminiated yet. That's the whole point of this thread.

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03-09-2012, 10:47 PM
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With the cutoff teams losing in both conferences tonight, teams on the magic number side all moved closer to clinching even if they didn't play.

Lot of games tomorrow that could more heavily influence the playoff picture, and tiebreakers are starting to take shape.

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They aren't elminiated yet. That's the whole point of this thread.
Magic numbers doesn't take into account inter-Conference match-ups. While it appears as if Columbus could make it in some underdog Cinderella run to the playoffs, because all the teams ahead of them play each other, guaranteeing those teams points (and Columbus' number to drop), Columbus is actually eliminated. Sorry!

For reference: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western2.html

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Magic numbers doesn't take into account inter-Conference match-ups. While it appears as if Columbus could make it in some underdog Cinderella run to the playoffs, because all the teams ahead of them play each other, guaranteeing those teams points (and Columbus' number to drop), Columbus is actually eliminated. Sorry!

For reference: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western2.html
Teams that Columbus could theoretically catch:
Colorado, Calgary, and Los Angeles (74 points)
San Jose (75)
Phoenix (76)

Tiebreakers:
Columbus can take the first tiebreaker over any of those opponents.
Los Angeles plays San Jose three times and Calgary once.
Colorado plays Calgary twice, Phoenix once, and San Jose once.
Calgary plays Colorado twice, Phoenix once, Los Angeles once, and San Jose once.
San Jose plays Calgary once, Colorado once, Phoenix three times, and Los Angeles three times.
Phoenix plays San Jose three times, Calgary once, and Colorado once.

All of those teams can split points any of a thousand different directions, but yes, it's still possible for everyone to vulture each other and Columbus to swoop in and steal a spot.

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^ Hah, just did the math with the Anaheim, Minnesota, Edmonton games included, and you're right.

Although Columbus better pray for a lot of overtime.


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Tampa Bay's loss pushed the magic number side of the East 1 point closer to clinching, and Colorado's win pushed the elimination side of the West 1 point closer to the brink.

Although Columbus is teetering on the edge, I'm leaving the elimination number as 3. In a couple of the lottery alternative threads being bandied about, one idea that has some favor is the idea of the 1st overall pick being awarded to the team that has the most points after being eliminated from the playoffs.

It's possible, due to future matchups this season, that Columbus has already been eliminated. To this point, strictly using math, this has not yet happened. My reason for leaving the number as 3 is to encourage a little bit of clarity on those issues. Is it the point where the team's possible points actually drops below the 8th-highest number of points in the conference? Or is it the point where matchups that could be three weeks off serve to eliminate that team at this moment?

I will also be updating the head-to-head tiebreakers graphic tomorrow at some point.

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Columbus is technically on the edge, but will be eliminated the next time Colorado and Calgary play. I went ahead and marked the Jackets as the first team out of the playoff hunt, and now it's just a matter of keeping track of the possible draft picks for them and anyone else who will be eliminated.

Head-to-head tiebreakers have been updated.

I'm going to be extremely busy for most of this coming week, so I'll get everything updated as quickly as I can. But it's entirely possible that I'll end up having to skip a day and make up for it the next day.

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The Fail for Nail has taken a new turn for Columbus now with this "elimination."

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Not much movement tonight

Minnesota's divisional elimination number has been adjusted down to 2. They can only tie division-leading Vancouver in R/OW, and Vancouver already has the head-to-head tiebreaker.

I do not expect to be able to update the new standings featuring tomorrow's games until, at the earliest, 6 PM on Wednesday. If it happens to be earlier than that, consider it a pleasant bonus.

For tomorrow...

Minnesota can be eliminated from the Northwest Division race with a regulation loss against Dallas.

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Rangers now need 3 pts to clinch a playoff spot.

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Rangers now need 3 pts to clinch a playoff spot.
You certain? I thought Sam said 4. Anyway, it's nice not having to sweat out a playoff spot at the end of the season.

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You certain? I thought Sam said 4. Anyway, it's nice not having to sweat out a playoff spot at the end of the season.
BUF / WPG can only get a maximum of 98 pts, Rangers have every tie breaker against them, So yes, 3 points.

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