I bet San Jose will get him this summer, which I'm totally fine with if they have to give up Pavelski or Couture.
Why would they give up Couture who will score 35 goals this year and 60 points who makes 1.2 mil (2.875m cap next season) and is 22 yrs. old for a guy who will score 35 goals and 60-70 points who makes 7.8m cap until he's 35 and is 27?
Not to mention they'd have to give up more than just Couture to get him. SJS would be so stupid to do this. That would make CBJ very much better and in our division.
CBJ is looking for good prospects too, and SJS's farm is as bad as the Tigers (even worse.)
I don't mean to sound strong, but I really hate bad contracts like Gomez, Heatley, Nash, Ovechkin this year, etc.
I think you will see Nash moved and the return won't be nearly what people think. I think the market for Nash will force the Jackets to keep him or essentially dump him at below market value.
I don't care about Nash in case we are gonna go after Parise. Parise>Nash, especially because we don't have to spend anything except money to sign Zach.
I don't care about Nash in case we are gonna go after Parise. Parise>Nash, especially because we don't have to spend anything except money to sign Zach.
This ^^
Parise is way better if we're looking to get a big name guy. If you pay him anything less than 7.8m a year you've already won and didn't have to give up anything for him
I've never been a fan of Rick Nash. There are certain objective issues I have about "Power Forward Scoring Wingers":
- The have a limited shelf life of elite production and most of that comes in the early parts of their careers when they are physically dominant and can bulrush their way to impressive numbers.
-Very few have been able to successfully transition to a productive player following their inevitable physical decline. Either they never needed to refine the necessary hockey acumen or skills to produce without a physical edge or their bodies completely breakdown and they become an on-going crisis of injury.
- Due to the total absence of elite power forward in the league, they are often paid immense contracts.
Because of this, I often shudder to think of building even a top six scoring line around a scoring winger. They are complimentary luxury but not the foundation to build a team around. If only because when you have a 40+ goal scorer, their overall approach to the game is to score goals, period and often leaves to very one-dimensional play.
Obviously there are exceptions to these generalizations but this has been the impression that has been left with me over the years.
In the case of Rick Nash – I also had an unfounded sense from him that he lacks character. Again this isn’t really founded on anything, but there are certain players regardless of their personal successes, just seem to lack something. The best examples I can think of outstanding personal play but always seem to find themselves on the losing end of things would be: Thornton, Amonte, Turgeon, Kariya, etc.
They are all outstanding players, each and every one of them but I never thought of them as: “leader”, “clutch”, “dependable”, “heart”, “self-sacrificing”, “winner”, and “champion”.
Nash seems to have that air about him. Good player, will be a solid 25-30g and 30asst for the foreseeable future which are incredible stats. And I do believe that he would fit better with the Wings than most franchises as he could quietly put up numbers and never be counted on to be “the guy”. I just get the impression that he wilts under accountability and expectation and for $7M a season, that’s too high of a cost.
Why would they give up Couture who will score 35 goals this year and 60 points who makes 1.2 mil (2.875m cap next season) and is 22 yrs. old for a guy who will score 35 goals and 60-70 points who makes 7.8m cap until he's 35 and is 27?
Not to mention they'd have to give up more than just Couture to get him. SJS would be so stupid to do this. That would make CBJ very much better and in our division.
CBJ is looking for good prospects too, and SJS's farm is as bad as the Tigers (even worse.)
I don't mean to sound strong, but I really hate bad contracts like Gomez, Heatley, Nash, Ovechkin this year, etc.
The only reason I say that is because there were rumors circulating that SJ was close to getting him at the deadline and Columbus' asking price started with one of Couture or Pavelski.
The reasons you mentioned above are why I said I wouldn't mind if San Jose got him.
The only reason I say that is because there were rumors circulating that SJ was close to getting him at the deadline and Columbus' asking price started with one of Couture or Pavelski.
The reasons you mentioned above are why I said I wouldn't mind if San Jose got him.
Yeah I think we're in lockstep on this one then. ^^
It would be easyer to get ovi, Then it would be to get nash. Cbj wont trade nash to anyone in there divsion. I see him going to T.O. or L.A. So they can pick up a good goalie
For those saying Rick Nash is overrated - get real
You have to understand Columbus only has two players with 30+ points. The Red Wings have 9, including an 'invisible' Danny Cleary. The only help Nash has is a 36 year old Vinny Prospal. ****, I'd argue the Red Wings fourth line is better than the CBJ first.
There is a reason why NYR went hard after Nash - he's a legitimate 50-50 player if he's playing with two linemates that can shoulder their share of the load. Something the Wings could provide. Right now Rick Nash IS the CBJ, literally. Not even Datsyuk would be able to pull Columbus out of the cellar with the talent that's there. When the opposite team only has to draw up a game plan for ONE player you better believe he's not going to look as good as he should. But somehow he still manages to. Right now he'd be third or fourth in terms of scoring for the Red Wings all on a bad, bad team.
$7.8 million isn't too terrible when you consider Parise is going to get just as much, and I would argue they are on very similiar skill levels while Nash is much bigger and just as fast. If the Wings could get him at that price in free agency I would put serious consideration into it. But that will never happen so it doesn't matter.
In all reality you'd be looking at Flip, Smith, Tatar and a 1st. I'll pass 10 times out of 10, doesn't make Nash overrated though.
Gretzky himself wouldn't make them an elite team, what are you talking about?
I say: if you can get him, get him, whatever the price. The only guy I wouldn't give up readily is Smith.
I would do that in a heart beat, but I would imagine it's a bit too little. Hard to believe that Rick Nash is still only 27 years old. Hes got a good 8 years of productivity left... at least.
I could see Filppula, Tatar, Pulkkinen, and a 1st. Probably going to have to overpay for a player like that (especially considering they are in our division). I still don't think that's an awful deal. He's the only bonafide scorer of the bunch and Tatar and Pulkkinen could easily end up being average NHL players.
Probably have to throw Flip and another 1st in that pot... Is that obscene? Yes, absolutely. But Howson just turned down something like Dubinsky, JT Miller, Chis Thomas, and Tim Erixon at the deadline. It'd have to be obscene to get Nash.
I'm a much bigger advocate of going after Parise in this coming offseason and handing him the reins as Z and Pavel start to decline (very slowly in Pavel's case). Hopefully one of our young guys can step up and ride shotgun in a few years and we can keep the show rolling.
Gretzky himself wouldn't make them an elite team, what are you talking about?
I say: if you can get him, get him, whatever the price. The only guy I wouldn't give up readily is Smith.
That's part of the point isnt it, just how much depth are we willing to part with just to have a star level player? One star doesnt make a great team. However, several "almost stars" can make a great team.
I like Nash though, wouldn't mind see him in the DRW dress per se.
Nash is great and I'd love him in Detroit but the cost would be prohibitive. I think he ends up in Toronto, which makes perfect sense to me. Our #1 priority this summer must be Ryan Suter and if we can somehow get Zach Parise then so much the better.
Agree.
And the most important thing in my opinion, we have to solve the problem with wingers. I really have a great respect for them, but they are to old and not fast as they have to. We can get more from Datsyk sorrounded by the young, hungry and aggresive skaters.
While there are lots of pluses to getting Nash, he won't be Holland's first choice simply because we'd have to trade for him. We could get Parise for nothing but money. Now, if Parise gets picked up by another team, then Nash would be on Holland's radar.
I think Rick Nash would be great for Red Wings next year. Why? Few player going to leave because there really old. Nicklas Lidstrom will be 43 years old but you never know. He can play for 5 more years like Chris Chelios did. He play till he like 48.
Doesn't make sense. Why would Columbus trade him in division and they would ask for Filppula, which is a non starter. Not to mention the contract. Nash's skillset would be perfect for the Wings, but not for the price.
I have zero interest in trading for Nash. Overrated, overpaid, and would cost way too much to acquire.
Not really. People will realize that he should be one of the most dominant players when he is on a competent team. He isn't overrated. Overpaid? maybe by half a mill. Cost too much? Yes, absolutely.
