The Devils fans saying Henrique doesn't benefit from playing with 2 all stars are clearly clueless.
Sure, he has worked his way onto that line, but you can't tell me Landeskog or RNH wouldn't have way more points if they were somehow on a line with Kovy or Parise.
Don't get me wrong, Hall and Eberle are great, but they aren't Kovy and Parise.
And don't even get me started on Landeskog putting up those points playing with O'Reilly and a revolving door of Downie, Winnik, Galiardi, Hejduk and Jones.
The Devils fans saying Henrique doesn't benefit from playing with 2 all stars are clearly clueless.
Sure, he has worked his way onto that line, but you can't tell me Landeskog or RNH wouldn't have way more points if they were somehow on a line with Kovy or Parise.
Don't get me wrong, Hall and Eberle are great, but they aren't Kovy and Parise.
And don't even get me started on Landeskog putting up those points playing with O'Reilly and a revolving door of Downie, Winnik, Galiardi, Hejduk and Jones.
Absolutely, read would also have many more points than henerique, hell he's close with more goals on the 3rd line with rookies
We'll make this clear...if not for Adam Henrique, the Devils are fighting for the 8th spot...not challenging for home ice.
He's a center.
He's tied for the most Shorthanded Points in the League.
No, he has barely any PP points, but it's not surprising seeing as when he does he played along the halfboards which, on our current PPs, is occupied by Patrik Elias and Petr Sykora on the 1 and 2 PPs.
He has more points in fewer games.
Whatever...first it was Oilers fans, now it will be Avs fans.
The people saying that Henrique has minimal skill of his own and only leeches points off his superstar linemates (and don't tell me nobody is saying that, I've seen it) are equally clueless. The Devils have been missing Zajac all season, and in his absence, Henrique has taken over the top line centre role. DeBoer could choose to put Elias in that spot, but he doesn't. Instead he has kept Henrique there pretty much all season, because he is a dynamic player who deserves to be put in that spot, and is pulling his weight on the line.
There's no question he's benefiting from circumstance, but being able to keep up with and produce with his big name linemates is an achievement on its own, it's not any player that can do that, especially as a centre. You cannot say "drop RNH or Read in that spot and he'd be doing better". First of all, that isn't guaranteed, who knows what chemistry they'd have? Second, Calder voters tend to prefer working in the realm of reality, what actually did happen. Such nonsensical hypothetical situations should not and do not enter into it.
The people saying that Henrique has minimal skill of his own and only leeches points off his superstar linemates (and don't tell me nobody is saying that, I've seen it) are equally clueless. The Devils have been missing Zajac all season, and in his absence, Henrique has taken over the top line centre role. DeBoer could choose to put Elias in that spot, but he doesn't. Instead he has kept Henrique there pretty much all season, because he is a dynamic player who deserves to be put in that spot, and is pulling his weight on the line.
There's no question he's benefiting from circumstance, but being able to keep up with and produce with his big name linemates is an achievement on its own, it's not any player that can do that, especially as a centre. You cannot say "drop RNH or Read in that spot and he'd be doing better". First of all, that isn't guaranteed, who knows what chemistry they'd have? Second, Calder voters tend to prefer working in the realm of reality, what actually did happen. Such nonsensical hypothetical situations should not and do not enter into it.
Maybe not RNH, as he has good linemates already, but read, absolutely.. There's no way you can convince anyone read wouldn't have significantly more points playing with Parise and Kovalchuk than playing with talbot, couturier and schenn. His line mates constantly change, now he's playing with briere, whom looks good on paper but hasn't had a goal in 21 games.
Maybe not RNH, as he has good linemates already, but read, absolutely.. There's no way you can convince anyone read wouldn't have significantly more points playing with Parise and Kovalchuk than playing with talbot, couturier and schenn. His line mates constantly change, now he's playing with briere, whom looks good on paper but hasn't had a goal in 21 games.
You missed my point, or are purposely ignoring it. You cannot just say that Read would be able to produce in the same situation, with the absence of any sample that shows he can. Maybe he wouldn't form chemistry with Kovalchuk (not everyone can, including several Devils). I have no idea how his game would mesh with Parise's, and I highly doubt that he would be as effective on a PK tandem with Parise as Henrique is.
This brings up another point: Henrique's extreme versatility, which allows him to play with two superstars who play vastly different games, is often unfairly overlooked. He can rush with Kovalchuk, or grind with Parise. It is not easy to reconcile those two styles into a cohesive unit, but Henrique does it, and that's why he stays on the top line.
The Devils fans saying Henrique doesn't benefit from playing with 2 all stars are clearly clueless.
Sure, he has worked his way onto that line, but you can't tell me Landeskog or RNH wouldn't have way more points if they were somehow on a line with Kovy or Parise.
Don't get me wrong, Hall and Eberle are great, but they aren't Kovy and Parise.
And don't even get me started on Landeskog putting up those points playing with O'Reilly and a revolving door of Downie, Winnik, Galiardi, Hejduk and Jones.
What devil fan say he doesn't benefit from playing with them? We know he does but we arent silly enough to think thats the only reason he has points. You don't just play with kovy and zp and just gel. It takes talent and skill to play with them. Not to mention he has to deal with other teams top defensive units and barely gets any pp time. While also being a top pker
We'll make this clear...if not for Adam Henrique, the Devils are fighting for the 8th spot...not challenging for home ice.
Who are you arguing against by using this statement?
Overall, Henrique and Landeskog are the only two who deserve to win if the voting was tomorrow. It would be interesting, that's for sure.
This business of 'if RNH returns to his P/G pace...' is silly. Landeskog played at a P/G pace for 15 games, I'm pretty sure Henrique did for a good stretch too. It's not unheard of for rookies to have a hot streak or two.
Until RNH returns to P/G pace, he isn't in the Calder discussion. Just locked in for 3rd place.
Who are you arguing against by using this statement?
He's arguing against the people who are saying that Henrique is a passenger, not a difference maker, and using that flawed assumption to tout Landeskog over him. Look around, there are plenty of them.
in before someone who only watches Leaf games brings up Gardiner
RNH should win it if he gets back to what he was doing before his injuries.
Watch the colorado avalanche. I am in ottawa so we dont get a ton of games but after looking at his complete game stat line 6 weeks ago I made a point to watch them. This guy is unbelievable he is so good at every facet of the game he is the best player on that team IMHO.
This is no slight to his competition I just havent seen a rookie at 19 years old be this complete, the last rookie forward that can put up points that was this physical was ovechkin.
To argue that Henriques linemates dont help his production is pretty far fetched, however for a young guy to come in and not look out of place with Kovalchuk and Parise speaks to his tremendous skill he is going to be very very good.
I can't imagine Landeskog can be more than 2-3 points behind the points leader for him to win the Calder, even if he is getting a lot of love from everyone for being a very complete player. It would unprecedented if it worked any other way.
So essentially it's all about putting up points down the stretch for him. Henrique will certainly do so. With the number of PP opportunities going down league wide, RNH needs to start clicking with his line in ES.
In the end, the Calder race isn't all that interesting. Having a rookie excel is.
Who are you arguing against by using this statement?
Overall, Henrique and Landeskog are the only two who deserve to win if the voting was tomorrow. It would be interesting, that's for sure.
This business of 'if RNH returns to his P/G pace...' is silly. Landeskog played at a P/G pace for 15 games, I'm pretty sure Henrique did for a good stretch too. It's not unheard of for rookies to have a hot streak or two.
Until RNH returns to P/G pace, he isn't in the Calder discussion. Just locked in for 3rd place.
List of Nugent-Hopkins accomplishments so far.
NHL record- fastest hat trick by a 1st overall pick.
Franchise record- hat trick with fewest career games played.
4th PLAYER EVER to get 5 assists in an NHL regular season game first 18 year old to do so.
2nd player to ever be named rookie of the month first two months of the year.
If he gets back to PPG like you said he'll have been the first 18 year old to go PPG since Crosby before that Yzerman. At that point you just hand it to him he's not just "back in the discussion". He's still very much in the discussion.
Everyone arguing about Henrique's linemates are fooling themselves. It's like saying Parise is only doing well because he is on a line with kovy. Every line has 3 players and they all benefit each other. The 3 combine to create points, and anyone who says henrique isn't pulling his weight hasn't watched a single one of his games this season.
Edit: He was creating on the third line as well, but was brought back up with Kovy and zach because HE made THEM better. He uses his wingers to his advantage and that makes a good hockey player. Nobody can say for certain how well landy or rnh would do with them because it is an unreal scenario.
