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03-09-2012, 09:20 AM
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What happens to our centers next year?

Let's say we draft either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk.

Let's say they're ready to play as soon as next year.

We have : David Desharnais, Tomas Plekanec, Lars Eller.

Plekanec on the third line? I can see it, but Eller on the fourth line? No.

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If we do manage to get Grigs which I think we will as Edmonton desperately needs a blue chip defenseman and this is the draft to get one. I'd see Grigs (if ready for the NHL) starting on the 3rd line behind dd and Plex.
Eller 4th line or winger as he's the weakest player at centre IMO.

Patches DD Cole
Bourque Plex Gionta
Leblanc Grigs Eller
Moen White Darche/staubitz etc.
No, there is no Gomez on this team.

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If we do manage to get Grigs which I think we will as Edmonton desperately needs a blue chip defenseman and this is the draft to get one. I'd see Grigs (if ready for the NHL) starting on the 3rd line behind dd and Plex.
Eller 4th line or winger as he's the weakest player at centre IMO.

Patches DD Cole
Bourque Plex Gionta
Leblanc Grigs Eller
Moen White Darche/staubitz etc.
No, there is no Gomez on this team.
Is that right? Lars Eller despite getting VERY minimal icetime on the PP and with prime linemates, is THIRD on the team in goals and FIRST amongst centers

Personally, I thought the Habs should of tried dealing Plekanec at the deadline...so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out because to me, Desharnais and Eller are two of the players that have shown the most growth and I hate to think the coaching staff will continue to stunt their growth by stubbornly playing Plekanec in a top 6 role.

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Is that right? Lars Eller despite getting VERY minimal icetime on the PP and with prime linemates, is THIRD on the team in goals and FIRST amongst centers

Personally, I thought the Habs should of tried dealing Plekanec at the deadline...so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out because to me, Desharnais and Eller are two of the players that have shown the most growth and I hate to think the coaching staff will continue to stunt their growth by stubbornly playing Plekanec in a top 6 role.
But is Eller ready to take Plekanec's spot? I love Eller, but he's still learning.

Are we a better team without Plekanec? I very much doubt it.

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With no signings

DD - Plek - Patches
Cole - G/G - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc

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Let's say we draft either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk.

Let's say they're ready to play as soon as next year.

We have : David Desharnais, Tomas Plekanec, Lars Eller.

Plekanec on the third line? I can see it, but Eller on the fourth line? No.
I would say go with 4 centers and play the young guy and/or Eller on the wing at times.

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If the pick is ready to play full time, trade one of your existing Centers.

If not, focus on developing him, and when he is ready, trade one of the centers for another piece of the puzzle.

Do not fall in love with the players. (never make up nicknames for them) ;-)

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If we draft Galchenyuk are you guys seriously thinking about bringing him up next year? The guy missed the whole season with a knee injury and it's pretty sure he'll be back with Sarnia for the 2012-2013 season.

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As odd as it sounds, Desharnais would most likely become trade bait. Which would spark another debate en francais.

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If we get Galchenyuk let him tear up the OHL for another year, if we get Grigo do something like this:

Eller - Plekanec - Gionta
Pac - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Grigo - Leblanc
Moen - White - Blunden

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Kinda related: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1125453

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So DD is the undisputed 1st line center and Lars plays on the 4th or moved to wing?

DD should play wing or be traded IMO.

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If we manage to get Grigo, Eller has to go winger.

MaxPac - DD - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Eller
Leblanc - Grigo - Gionta
Moen - Geoffrion - White
Darche, Staubitz

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I am still of the opinion that one of Plekanec or Desharnais should be moved for picks and prospects. Especially if we Draft Grigorenko or Galchenyuk.

Draft Grigorenko
Trade Desharnais and a second for a mid first round pick
Pick Aberg, Collberg, Faksa, Gaunce etc..
Go balls out to sign Suter and Parise:

Parise - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Bourque - Grigorenko - Leblanc
Prust - White - Moen

If we don't get Parise, oh well we are a rebuilding team right now and might have a shot at MacKinnon.

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If we manage to get Grigo, Eller has to go winger.

MaxPac - DD - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Eller
Leblanc - Grigo - Gionta
Moen - Geoffrion - White
Darche, Staubitz
I like this...Eller has skill, but if we keep Plek and Grig is ready then Eller should be bumped to the wing. Of course this is assuming we don't pick up any UFAs.

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If we manage to get Grigo, Eller has to go winger.

MaxPac - DD - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Eller
Leblanc - Grigo - Gionta
Moen - Geoffrion - White
Darche, Staubitz
I like 1st 3 lines

4th line is reserved to youngs

I dont see us Re-signing Moen and or Darche

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Let's say we draft either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk.

Let's say they're ready to play as soon as next year.

We have : David Desharnais, Tomas Plekanec, Lars Eller.

Plekanec on the third line? I can see it, but Eller on the fourth line? No.
nothing wrong with having depth at centre...

as talented as those 2 guys are, there's is no certainty that they are ready for a full-blown top6 role... likelihood is that they aren't.

RNH is more of an exception to the rule, as opposed to what's to be expected.


If they are too good to return to Jr's, nothing wrong with using them the way the B's did with Seguin, playing 3rd line winger role (and we have an obvious "need" in top-9 offensive talent).

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If we draft Galchenyuk are you guys seriously thinking about bringing him up next year? The guy missed the whole season with a knee injury and it's pretty sure he'll be back with Sarnia for the 2012-2013 season.
Everybody after Yakupov up front needs another year in junior.

Grigorenko it would create a problem since he may get big KHL offers so the team drafting him may have to rush him.

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IMO the phrase "too good for junior" gets thrown around too much. Fans see gaudy point totals and assume there's nothing more to learn. Even if there are moments and games that these top players find easy, there are always tough opponents, the challenge to maintain consistency and the WJC. During the lockout season, prospects (some of whom might otherwise have made the big leagues) like Phaneuf, Perry, Carter and Richards played their 19 year old seasons in juniors, I think it's hard to argue it set them back.

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I can't see going into next season with Gionta, Plekanec, DD, Gomez not to mention Leblanc all as part of the group of forwards. One of the biggest failures of the Gainey'Gauthier "plan" was having way too many of the same type and size of player, both at forward and now on D as well. Eller is a centre, period. He's thrived at that spot and been terrible on the wing. Gomez will have to be dealt with, Gionta will be back, DD has proven himself as a viable #2 centre. That leaves Plekanec. I love the guy as a player, but if he can be packaged either for a large skilled winger or big shut down defenceman(assuming Grigorenko or Galcheynuk are drafted and play next year...a major assumption, I know), I'd seriously consider it if I was the next GM of the Habs. I expect a big strong #4 centre to be signed or acquired over the summer too. The Habs are too small and too easy to play against and management and most observers know that. Plekanec may be part of the solution by being moved, which I acknowledge is a risky move.

Just my two cents.

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Is that right? Lars Eller despite getting VERY minimal icetime on the PP and with prime linemates, is THIRD on the team in goals and FIRST amongst centers

Personally, I thought the Habs should of tried dealing Plekanec at the deadline...so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out because to me, Desharnais and Eller are two of the players that have shown the most growth and I hate to think the coaching staff will continue to stunt their growth by stubbornly playing Plekanec in a top 6 role.
Good luck dealing Pleks. He has a modified NTC.

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I like 1st 3 lines

4th line is reserved to youngs

I dont see us Re-signing Moen and or Darche
Darche is a maybe, but Moen is gonna re-sign for sure.

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If we draft Galchenyuk are you guys seriously thinking about bringing him up next year? The guy missed the whole season with a knee injury and it's pretty sure he'll be back with Sarnia for the 2012-2013 season.
Lets see him in camp before we cut him. If he does well, then he can have the 9 game tryout.

If he goes back he goes back, but you shouldnt write him off yet

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Good luck dealing Pleks. He has a modified NTC.
I always laugh when I see people propose we trade Plekanec to Columbus or another bottom feeder. Good luck with that one.

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Lets see him in camp before we cut him. If he does well, then he can have the 9 game tryout.

If he goes back he goes back, but you shouldnt write him off yet
I agree, but you also don't rush to trade one of the Cs we already have, especially when Eller and to an extent DD are still learning.

If anything one of Plekanec or DD will be traded at the end of next season if Grig/Gal has a promising year.

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here we go again...

"DD must be dealt"

That guy can't win on this board.


We have 3 good centers. Let's keep them all. That's it.

Grigorenko, Galcheniuk (one full season on injury list) or Forsberg are not NHL mature and ready.


**** by the way: Gomez is still under contract...

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