Crazy...looking at Brodin he's just won a bunch of stuff for Sweden so far:
2009-2010 U17 WHC Bronze Medal, U18 WJC Silver Medal
2010-2011 Elitserien Champion, U18 WJC Silver Medal
2011-2012 U20 WJC Gold Medal, U20 WJC Top 3 Player on Team (SWE)
in the year he had one point he also put up 36pts (37 gp) and 13g in j20 superelit
In his draft year, Brodin put up PPG in J-18 Elit and J-18 Allsvenskan, as well as 1.5 PPG in J-18 Allsvenskan playoffs. I have no idea how the different Swedish junior leagues compare, so I can't speak to what is better than what else.
In his draft year, Brodin put up PPG in J-18 Elit and J-18 Allsvenskan, as well as 1.5 PPG in J-18 Allsvenskan playoffs. I have no idea how the different Swedish junior leagues compare, so I can't speak to what is better than what else.
That was the year prior to his draft year, 2009-10.
That was the year prior to his draft year, 2009-10.
You are correct, fine doctor. Apparently I can't run my chargebacks and read hockey stat tables at the same time. Brodin only played two games in J-18 Elit in his draft year...
Hey squidz, do you think Griffin Reinhart is worth it say the Wild move up to 8-10?
You mentioned his name before. I'm also curious if the guy is a physical defenseman and how you would rate the defensemen 1-5 (I'm guessing 5 won't already be off the board when we pick).
I'm not an expert on prospects but from skimming through this thread, a lot of the forwards sans Nail seem to be unimpressive? Grigorenko was once highly touted but someone here said he has work ethic issues and that's unsettling.
Hey squidz, do you think Griffin Reinhart is worth it say the Wild move up to 8-10?
You mentioned his name before. I'm also curious if the guy is a physical defenseman and how you would rate the defensemen 1-5 (I'm guessing 5 won't already be off the board when we pick).
I'm not an expert on prospects but from skimming through this thread, a lot of the forwards sans Nail seem to be unimpressive? Grigorenko was once highly touted but someone here said he has work ethic issues and that's unsettling.
Thanks.
I've heard it will take him 2 more years in junior hockey plus 2 yrs at Ahl level before he's ready for the nhl...but thats one guys opionon i think he falls in the 8-12 range in this draft.
Hey squidz, do you think Griffin Reinhart is worth it say the Wild move up to 8-10?
You mentioned his name before. I'm also curious if the guy is a physical defenseman and how you would rate the defensemen 1-5 (I'm guessing 5 won't already be off the board when we pick).
I'm not an expert on prospects but from skimming through this thread, a lot of the forwards sans Nail seem to be unimpressive? Grigorenko was once highly touted but someone here said he has work ethic issues and that's unsettling.
Thanks.
Reinhart is probably 6th on my list of defensemen. He's one of those huge (literally) project guys. He could become a poor man's Chara, or he could be Falk. He seems more likely to be a Falk though. He has a lot of developing to do still.
My ranking of d-men is:
Dumba
Rielly
Murray
Trouba
Ceci
I expect Murray to go before Rielly and he could go before Dumba, but I'm not a big fan. As for forwards, there's Yakupov who should be an elite player. After him there's Grigorenko and Galchenyuk who, depending upon who you ask, can be swapped for order and have a chance to be elite, but also have some serious question marks. Forsberg could become a top tier guy, but has even more questions (although he should become an NHLer regardless). After that...unless you really like Faksa or Gaunce (both of whom I can see slipping out of the top 10 easily) there's not really much for high end guys. Some project Collberg or Aberg into the top 10, but that's more because of how weak the forward options are than anything else.
Re-reading some stuff about Forsberg, I think he'll go pretty high. If not, I think we should take him. His only downside seems to be his skating, which doesn't deter our scouts. He projects as a 1st line powerforward, which would make his potential very valuable.
I'm tired of not being able to score. Unless a really good defenseman is available, I'd be happy to draft a kid with 1st line poweforward potential.
The Pythagorean really likes Toronto with their -9 differential. I think they'll end up worse than us though. With how I'm expecting the draft to go, and who I want us to take, the only advantages to the higher (than 5 or 6) pick are better lotto chance (though I assume we'll lose on that) and the potential to move down a spot or two. Picking 2nd? Try move down to fourth and hope Galchenyuk's still there or grab the best d-man.
Anyone more aware of the possible draft positions for Kloos or Besse? Besse looks incredibly fast and seems to have that natural goalscoring ability that not many have but he lacks size. Kloos seems to be a a little bit more raw but has some great physical tools and obvious ability. I personally would be happy if the Wild took a flier on one of these two in the later rounds, but I haven't seen too many of their games so can't really say for sure.
As a couple people had hypothesized earlier (although I dissented a little), Flahr seems to value hockey sense first, then likes to grab players with "correctable" downsides. Brodin and Karlsson had highly questionable offensive games, but extremely high hockey sense. Phillips had skating issues, but high hockey sense. Larsson, Bulmer, and Zucker had some pros and cons somewhat in the same vein.
The scouting report on Trouba is that he's mobile, physical, and has a great point shot. However, there are some questions about his hockey sense and concerns about his physical play putting him out of position. To quote the TSN rankings "NHL upside: Has the physical package to be a top two defenceman in the NHL if he learns the finer points of playing defence." Flahr seems to like the people who've more or less fully developed their primary role, and either need to unlease their secondary role (a la Brodin's offense) or correct/adapt to a physical issue (a la Phillips' skating, Granlund's size) rather than selecting a physical specimen and teaching him to fit his hockey role.
But of course, that's just working on things I've put together in my mind. As I had said when someone was discussing the whole "prefers hockey sense" thing, things could be related how I say, how someone else says, a completely different way, or not at all. There's really not enough to completely base any judgments upon right now. We do know the scouting staff had Brodin ranked much higher than at least a handful of other teams based upon something.
I call shenanigans on Trouba lacking hockey sense. I saw him in Dubuque and never once did I go "wtf is he doing?" He was in complete control, and exploited opportunities to jump in the play, hit someone, whatever without it being detrimental to his team.
Anyone more aware of the possible draft positions for Kloos or Besse? Besse looks incredibly fast and seems to have that natural goalscoring ability that not many have but he lacks size. Kloos seems to be a a little bit more raw but has some great physical tools and obvious ability. I personally would be happy if the Wild took a flier on one of these two in the later rounds, but I haven't seen too many of their games so can't really say for sure.
they both have their faults, but Besse >>>>>> Kloos.
