I would offer Stafford to Edmonton to flip our first round picks, provided Edmonton is no lower than 2. Edmonton (I'm hoping) will be willing to move down and take a D. We want a shot at one of the top 2 F.
I don't see the Oilers having anything to do with that if the Sabres end up in the 9 to 14 range.
Or the fact that he was coming off a 50 point season and was on pace for another, after being "the missing piece" for two different teams.
Derek Roy is on pace for a 40 pt season...
the similarities in both situation (age/contract/drop in production), questions about character, and team outside the playoffs looking in...
You can draw a lot of minor distinctions if you want... but go ahead and find a better trade as comparison for Roy's trade value.
I was using the Calgary/NY Rangers trade as an example
But even before his massive drop off in production, you can look at the Florida/Phoenix trade...
He was coming of 71/91/89 PT seasons.... he went in the offseason, with 2 yrs left on his deal and returned Boynton, Ballard, 2nd...
Derek Roy's 2012 offseason trade value:
basically, a good/solid 26 yr 2nd tier player, a 2nd round, and a salary dump
More fuel to the 'Sutter doesn't like Kopitar' fire. Regier needs to get on this like white on rice.
Sutter also publicly criticized Brown at the same time as Kopitar a week before the trade deadline, saying both players needed to step up.
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They will never trade Backstrom. I bet they would trade Ovechkin before they trade Backstrom.
Probably - but there's a sense amongst most media members covering the NHL that as marquee a name as Ovechkin has, his contract (dollars+term) are prohibitive for most teams. Plus, if the Caps nosedive with another playoff dud - or don't even qualify - one has to think they could be approaching a "blow-it-up" level where everyone is on the table.
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Derek Roy has ALOT more value than Brassard.
Whatever disdain or disappointment fans have with Roy, I can't see how anyone thinking rationally would dispute that.
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When Olli Jokinen was in the final year of his deal, he was traded for Ales Kotalik and Chris Higgins who were basically contract dumps.
Buffalo Fans have a delusional idea of what Derek Roy's trade value is...
- at the time Jokinen was dealt to NYR... he wasn't even 2 full seasons removed from a 70 pt season (sound familiar?)
- and a 90 pt season before that
- there were questions about his character (sound familiar?)
- he was crossing the "30 threshold" (which is where roy will be at next year's deadline)
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You endlessly spout off about his bad character, but there is not one shred of evedince that this is true. From all accounts, he's a good teammate. If you have some sort of inside knowledge, let's hear it. Otherwise, just stop.
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i can't really cobble together a decade worth of references, interviews, news reports, etc...
Where would you get direct evidence of someone's character? Do you have to wait til they commit a crime? or can you infer character from lesser actions?
When the Flames signed Jokinen as an UFA for a second term in Calgary, there was widespread shock amongst the Canadian media that follow the Flames because Jokinen was known to have been at odds with the Calgary core inside the locker room (Iginla, Kiprusoff, Regehr) during his first tenure.
When the Flames signed Jokinen as an UFA for a second term in Calgary, there was widespread shock amongst the Canadian media that follow the Flames because Jokinen was known to have been at odds with the Calgary core inside the locker room (Iginla, Kiprusoff, Regehr) during his first tenure.
Anyone in the Buffalo media who has ever made similar references to Roy is written off immediately
Anyone in the Buffalo media who has ever made similar references to Roy is written off immediately
Well let's get some specifics here. People always want to say it but they never want to back it up. Has anyone ever questioned his work ethic? Not that I know of. Do we have former teammates talking poorly about him? Nope, actually it's just the opposite. I just don't get where it comes from, but people that don't like his game need an excuse to hate him, so this is what you get. Baseless attacks on the guys character.
Well let's get some specifics here. People always want to say it but they never want to back it up. Has anyone ever questioned his work ethic? Not that I know of. Do we have former teammates talking poorly about him? Nope, actually it's just the opposite. I just don't get where it comes from, but people that don't like his game need an excuse to hate him, so this is what you get. Baseless attacks on the guys character.
Why do so many people have such a negative opinion of his character? From fans, to the local media, to the national media, to other fan bases? Where are we infering it
Why do so many people have such a negative opinion of his character? From fans, to the local media, to the national media, to other fan bases? Where are we infering it
We must all be ****ing crazy biased haters
It's called the snow-ball effect.
I've yet to hear one negative thing about him from teammates, coaches, trainers, ex-teammates.
It's all media created with no actual facts to back it up.
Edit: Throw in the fact that he's a frustrating player to watch and it's not hard for fans who dislike his game to jump on the hate wagon and buy into rumors that can help justify their hate.
I've yet to hear one negative thing about him from teammates, coaches, trainers, ex-teammates.
It's all media created with no actual facts to back it up.
Edit: Throw in the fact that he's a frustrating player to watch and it's not hard for fans who dislike his game to jump on the hate wagon and buy into rumors that can help justify their hate.
“We had high expectations at the start of the year. We knew that Going forward now there’s low expectations. So now it’s easier to play. We just play loose, play fun. Go out there and play hard.
- Derek Roy
Jan 9 2012
there's a taste of why i don't think he has much character in terms of being more then a 2nd line talent ****** bag.
“We had high expectations at the start of the year. We knew that Going forward now there’s low expectations. So now it’s easier to play. We just play loose, play fun. Go out there and play hard.
- Derek Roy
Jan 9 2012
there's a taste of why i don't think he has much character in terms of being more then a 2nd line talent ****** bag.
The guy likes to have fun when he goes out. Your pictures don't do a
damn thing to support the claim he's an issue in the locker room.
--The punching incident? I dunno...never heard about it. But lets just
say that the incident took place...TC is not here any longer .. how
does that relate to this locker room?
--The quote? Sounds like the truth to me. I think it speaks more to
his crappy leadership skills then to him being a cancer.
I'm open to moving Roy...as I am open to moving 90% of the team.
But not just for the sake of change...and not when the move is bad
in terms of value for Buffalo...or something seen as wasted assets.
The guy likes to have fun when he goes out. Your pictures don't do a
damn thing to support the claim he's an issue in the locker room.
--The punching incident? I dunno...never heard about it. But lets just
say that the incident took place...TC is not here any longer .. how
does that relate to this locker room?
--The quote? Sounds like the truth to me. I think it speaks more to
his crappy leadership skills then to him being a cancer.
I'm open to moving Roy...as I am open to moving 90% of the team.
But not just for the sake of change...and not when the move is bad
in terms of value for Buffalo...or something seen as wasted assets.
i dont want a guy who finds it easier to play, when there's no expectations... anywhere near my team... let alone wearing a letter, and considered a leader and core player
i dont want a guy who finds it easier to play, when there's no expectations... anywhere near my team... let alone wearing a letter, and considered a leader and core player
That's fair. The quote rubs me the wrong way as well but I still don't move him for the sake of moving him. I wait till next years deadline to maximize his value.
Or if he can be moved at the draft for a 1st plus a little something extra I'd do it.
i dont want a guy who finds it easier to play, when there's no expectations... anywhere near my team... let alone wearing a letter, and considered a leader and core player
Yet you want to give up Derek Roy and a 1st round pick for a guy who's never been anything more than a mediocrity in his career, and has only now begun to thrive in Columbus...during a time in which there are absolutely no expectations. You bemoan Roy's perceived attitude problems--confirmed by nobody actually in the locker room--and yet you want to trade him and a 1st rounder for a guy who used his agent as a mouthpiece to voice his issues with his then-coach--and if you believe for a second that Walsh did that without the knowledge or consent of his client and put his own job on the line by creating a potentially massive issue for the client with the organization, I have a bridge in the metropolitan New York area that's for sale.
I wonder if they'd target any of these guys in a trade this offseason?
I flipped boyes for granlund and a 4th in nhl 12, we should totally do that since their trades are so realistic
And I agree with zip. giving up roy and a 1st for brassard is too much of an overpayment. i feel like we might trade him a little bit before deadline madness starts next year
Paul Hamilton is the one a few years back that started the stuff about Roy. He doesn't like him and thinks he is selfish player. The hosts on WGR take what he says about the team as gospel so they believe it and have repeat it unquestioned for years.
I like Hamilton and respect his opinions. If he has a flaw, its his inability to change his mind about things or adapt his opinion to changes in players. He can also be an absolutist with his opinions. Once he has an issue with a player, regardless of what it is, he rarely lets go of it. I remember him pummeling Kotalik for a few years. Considering Kotalik's place on the time at the time, it seemed like overkill. Boy did he hate Ales.
Getting back to Roy. His bad rep pretty much has only one source, Paul Hamilton. He made up his mind about Roy several years ago and will not change it. He pounds his opinions of Roy home quite frequently.
I'm sure Paul Hamilton is the only source to have spent significant time around to have developed that opinion on his own...
Hey, maybe Roy is just an *******, and anyone who has ever met him knows it?
Feel free to provide a link or an example of someone like that. You are so sure about your opinion but can't back it up with anything of substance.
If you think those pictures are proof then you are one incredible naive individual. I've learned a lot about some crazy stuff players have pulled. Im told first hand accounts from cops, family and friends of players that I know. Many involving players that are rarely discussed is being problem.
You and others don't know nearly enough about these players to spout off about their personal life or how they are in the lockerroom.
You want to trade someone because you don't like how they play the game in the ice. So be it.
But to spout off about their personal life as if you know jack **** about it because you heard something from someone is ridiculous.
So when Paul Hamilton has said he has been told off the record by players in the room that Roy is a problem he is just making that up? You cant be serious... And its not just Paul Hamilton. The Bulldog has said it many of times that he knows things about Roy and how he is a cancer. No player is dumb enough to go on record and say he is a huge ******* and bad teammate while they are both part of the team, that just doesn't happen so asking for specific links is ridiculous. I have quite a few stories myself about how big of a ******* Roy is but I won't/can't put them on here but just trust me on it.
So when Paul Hamilton has said he has been told off the record by players in the room that Roy is a problem he is just making that up? You cant be serious... And its not just Paul Hamilton. The Bulldog has said it many of times that he knows things about Roy and how he is a cancer. No player is dumb enough to go on record and say he is a huge ******* and bad teammate while they are both part of the team, that just doesn't happen so asking for specific links is ridiculous. I have quite a few stories myself about how big of a ******* Roy is but I won't/can't put them on here but just trust me on it.
I love posters with agendas. They forget to completely read the post they're raging about.
Feel free to show me where I said Hamilton was lying. Posters asked where the stuff with Roy started and I pointed out it started with Hamilton.
I've heard Hamilton rail against Roy as a player. I've never heard him call Roy a cancer. Could I get a link for an instance in which he was called a cancer or a problem in the room? And anyone who cites the Bulldog as an authority on anything other than Sandwich or Movie Character drafts, well...
We really needed another Rail Against Derek Roy Thread. We haven't had one in, like, two weeks.
I've heard Hamilton rail against Roy as a player. I've never heard him call Roy a cancer. Could I get a link for an instance in which he was called a cancer or a problem in the room? And anyone who cites the Bulldog as an authority on anything other than Sandwich or Movie Character drafts, well...
We really needed another Rail Against Derek Roy Thread. We haven't had one in, like, two weeks.
No point in bothering to argue further if you cant accept that Bulldog knows people in the organization. I will ask you the same thing I will ask Josh, are you saying he is lying about it? Yes or No.
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I love posters with agendas. They forget to completely read the post they're raging about.
I have as much of an agenda as you do. I hate Roy. You defend him blindly. What's the difference?
Feel free to show me where I said Hamilton was lying. Posters asked where the stuff with Roy started and I pointed out it started with Hamilton.
It was inferred. You asked for a link or an example. Hamilton has said it many times. He is the beat reporter for the team so either he is telling the truth or he is lying, which is it? It is as simple as that.
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Ok then. If Hamilton's telling the truth then there are several sources inside the lockeroom that say he's a bad influence. No links needed.
