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03-07-2012, 01:10 PM
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Anyone know how Cumberland scored a goal at 0:00 of the first period in last nights game against Nepean?
It says this was the make-up game that got cancelled part way thru the first earlier in the season due to ice conditions. The Grads were leading it 1-0 so that is the goal scored during the first game, similiar to what happened with the Ottawa vs Hawks game that got stopped then finished in Rockland.

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The Ottawa 67’s today announced they’ve come to terms with Daniel Walsh, their 6th round pick in the 2010 OHL Priority Selection Draft. Walsh, a 6-foot, 185 lb. forward, scored 24 goals and racked-up 56 points in 58 games with the Jr. “A” Grads of the CJHL this season. He’ll practice with the team tomorrow and see his first game action on Friday night when the 67’s host the Niagara Ice Dogs.

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The Ottawa 67’s today announced they’ve come to terms with Daniel Walsh, their 6th round pick in the 2010 OHL Priority Selection Draft. Walsh, a 6-foot, 185 lb. forward, scored 24 goals and racked-up 56 points in 58 games with the Jr. “A” Grads of the CJHL this season. He’ll practice with the team tomorrow and see his first game action on Friday night when the 67’s host the Niagara Ice Dogs.
Good thing he'll have Dalton Smith, Callaghan, and Cjakovsky to protect him.

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Anyone know how Cumberland scored a goal at 0:00 of the first period in last nights game against Nepean?
They ran a trick play during the anthem. Slick coaching move.

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Good thing he'll have Dalton Smith, Callaghan, and Cjakovsky to protect him.
Judging from what I've seen this year, Walsh is more than capable of protecting himself.

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Judging from what I've seen this year, Walsh is more than capable of protecting himself.
We'll see when Mathers, Bilcke or Sefton ask him to dance...

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm curious as to who the extra 44 players are since this was posted 5 years ago. Your number of 125 seems kind of high. As for other teams, I would "guess" that PLK has been more successful than Cornwall over the years.
I think you are right....you are beating a dead horse.


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We'll see when Mathers, Bilcke or Sefton ask him to dance...
I don't see him as a fighter. I see him as a power forward who plays with an edge. I don't see what you have against the kid.

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I don't see him as a fighter. I see him as a power forward who plays with an edge. I don't see what you have against the kid.
probably see him as someone whos going to do something stupid and having the two fight rule, will have to answer to many people that are a lot tougher than him

all the people who has been touting milleys return clearly werent expecting what he's brought.. hes been bad. very bad. looks like he can barely skate and at this stage appears to be nothing more than a glorified 3rd liner. only thing you notice him do is take runs at everyone, that would be the only time he would skate hard

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Took in Ottawa Pembroke game. Milley still not in game shape (as expected). But still careless(?) with elbows. Pembroke rested Frank Dupuis and game really didn't mean much. But Kodoos to Ottawa team and nice pregame announcement and the honouring their graduating players.

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Does anyone know when and where the CCHL 2012 draft is this year ?

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Does anyone know when and where the CCHL 2012 draft is this year ?
The Pre-Draft Prospect camp is May 25-27, so I guess the draft would be the 30th?

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CCHL draft is May 31st 2012 at Earl Armstrong Arena

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Took in Ottawa Pembroke game. Milley still not in game shape (as expected). But still careless(?) with elbows. Pembroke rested Frank Dupuis and game really didn't mean much. But Kodoos to Ottawa team and nice pregame announcement and the honouring their graduating players.
Although there is no fan base whatsoever, the Jr Sens deserve kudos for being such a classy organization. While their chances against Cornwall are slim, they could make that more competitive than we expect.

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Although there is no fan base whatsoever, the Jr Sens deserve kudos for being such a classy organization. While their chances against Cornwall are slim, they could make that more competitive than we expect.
classy in how...making the players pay more than the league fee????...not supplying sticks for their players until after xmsa...having players pay for their own tape....firing Ruest...because he stood up to Crouches frugal ways....if it wasnt for Graf that organization would be lucky to win 10 games this year.....and with his son gone next year...dont see him sticking around....

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classy in how...making the players pay more than the league fee????...not supplying sticks for their players until after xmsa...having players pay for their own tape....firing Ruest...because he stood up to Crouches frugal ways....if it wasnt for Graf that organization would be lucky to win 10 games this year.....and with his son gone next year...dont see him sticking around....
It is not a matter of “class” but of economics. At this level it is a business and the operating budget for most Jr. A clubs could be reaching $200,000 per year and more.

That cost could include equipment including sticks, pucks, tape, jerseys and player equipment mandated by the league such as pants and helmets, off ice fitness training, player development costs, insurance, office staff, coaching staff, marketing, printing, administration, game ice, arena game day security, practise ice, game officials, travel, accommodation, scouting, and all other costs of operating a team. Of course not all clubs have the financial means and must be prudent and "frugal".

Income is generated from primarily 3 sources: sponsorships / adverting, player development camps and game ticket sales. It is the success of ticket sales and the fan base that also determines the quantum of sponsorships / advertising. Simply, the larger the fan base the easier it is to obtain sponsors and advertising revenue. The on ice success will determine the success of the player development camps. Of course, there are other sources of income such as SWAG and Player Development Fees, but this income is offset by addtional expenses such as the costs of acquiring talent.

I understand that there are only 3 teams of 12 in the league that are probably self supporting financially: Cornwall Colts, Brockville Braves and the Pembroke Lumber Kings. Most other clubs operate with a deficit.

There is discussion that each player should contribute $3,000 to $5,000 per year to defray some of the costs for the privilege and opportunity of playing at this level. What does it cost to play AA or AAA minor hockey ?

Player fees may be necessary to keep the team(s) and league solvent. It is probably inevitable and the future of tier one Jr. A hockey in our area. It is very common in the USA and other parts of Canada. Pay to play.

Perhaps team not-for-profit fan clubs could raise money to provide scholarships for players that cannot afford to pay fees. The parents need to be more involved to provide support.

The owners should be commended for providing a valuable opportunity and experience for deserving young men aged 16 to 20 years old to play hockey at the highest possible level and to develop as individuals and at a very low cost. Especially when they have to write personal cheques to cover operating losses. The owners do not get enough "credit".


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Great post and despite any individual owner's motivation they are still providing a great opportunity for young hockey players. I wish that the league had a few more restrictions on out of country and out of province players though. I do not agree with the CCHL running camps in the US when there are plenty of players in Ontario.

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It is not a matter of “class” but of economics. At this level it is a business and the operating budget for more most Jr. A clubs could be reaching $200,000 per year and more.

That cost could include equipment including sticks, pucks, tape, jerseys and player equipment mandated by the league such as pants and helmets, off ice fitness training, player development costs, insurance, office staff, coaching staff, marketing, printing, administration, game ice, arena game day security, practise ice, game officials, travel, accommodation, scouting, and all other costs of operating a team. Of course not all clubs have the financial means and must be prudent and "frugal".

Income is generated from primarily 3 sources: sponsorships / adverting, player development camps and game ticket sales. It is the success of ticket sales and the fan base that also determines the quantum of sponsorships / advertising. Simply, the larger the fan base the easier it is to obtain sponsors and advertising revenue. The on ice success will determine the success of the player development camps. Of course, there are other sources of income such as SWAG and Player Development Fees, but this income is offset by addtional expenses such as the costs of acquiring talent.

I understand that there are only 3 teams of 12 in the league that are probably self supporting financially: Cornwall Colts, Brockville Braves and the Pembroke Lumber Kings. Most other clubs operate with a deficit.

There is discussion that each player should contribute $3,000 to $5,000 per year to defray some of the costs for the privilege and opportunity of playing at this level. What does it cost to play AA or AAA minor hockey ?

Player fees may be necessary to keep the team(s) and league solvent. It is probably inevitable and the future of tier one Jr. A hockey in our area. It is very common in the USA and other parts of Canada. Pay to play.

Perhaps team not-for-profit fan clubs could raise money to provide scholarships for players that cannot afford to pay fees. The parents need to be more involved to provide support.

The owners should be commended for providing a valuable opportunity and experience for deserving young men aged 16 to 20 years old to play hockey at the highest possible level and to develop as individuals and at a very low cost. Especially when they have to write personal cheques to cover operating losses. The owners do not get enough "credit".

Sound like alot of crying to me......Cumberland...Nepean..Kanata....Gloucester do not charge extra for the players to play and do provide sticks and tape...why should Ottawa players be treated differently....or Kemptville for that matter....

All players pay 600...and as for owners being commended....yes they should 100 percent...especiallt the ones that follow the league rules and that dont charge the extra....and Nepean and Kanata will lose alot more money than ottawa!

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Great post and despite any individual owner's motivation they are still providing a great opportunity for young hockey players. I wish that the league had a few more restrictions on out of country and out of province players though. I do not agree with the CCHL running camps in the US when there are plenty of players in Ontario.

If the cchl did not have US players they would be no more than a glorified jr b league....to many restrictions on bring in players from outside of the area...

And i agree... sooner or later all jr a leagues will probably be charging alot more than 600 per year for kids to play....just not the fan base there used to be

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If the cchl did not have US players they would be no more than a glorified jr b league....to many restrictions on bring in players from outside of the area...

And i agree... sooner or later all jr a leagues will probably be charging alot more than 600 per year for kids to play....just not the fan base there used to be
I don't have an issue with US players if the owners/gms feel thee players can make the team more successful and their business more viable. I am however confident that there is plenty of talent north of the border that the CCHL would remain a very strong league. I would suggest that the fan base has remained consistent in this league for the years I have been following it.

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I don't have an issue with US players if the owners/gms feel thee players can make the team more successful and their business more viable. I am however confident that there is plenty of talent north of the border that the CCHL would remain a very strong league. I would suggest that the fan base has remained consistent in this league for the years I have been following it.

If you have been following the league than you would know that not many players from north of the boarder (Ottawa) play in this league...or are usually good enough to play in the league....not as many hockey players playing up there as compared to the USA.....all the good ones play in the ohl...the rest play in the nojhl..(which is a weak league remember they played in the cchl for one year...North Bay and never won a game)...and a few good ones play in the cchl...but not many....Grioux was pretty good..lol....

From hearing around the league most USA players pay their own way...which saves owners money....

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If you have been following the league than you would know that not many players from north of the boarder (Ottawa) play in this league...or are usually good enough to play in the league....not as many hockey players playing up there as compared to the USA.....all the good ones play in the ohl...the rest play in the nojhl..(which is a weak league remember they played in the cchl for one year...North Bay and never won a game)...and a few good ones play in the cchl...but not many....Grioux was pretty good..lol....

From hearing around the league most USA players pay their own way...which saves owners money....
Not sure what league you are following, on average there are more than 10 players per team in CCHL that played their minor hockey in the local league just look at Pointstreak, in addition to that there are a few Kingston kids. From what I can tell based on the rosters the lowest is 8 or 9 (some kids do not have hometown listed) and the most 18, even the top team Nepean has 14 or 15.

In the league 5 of top 10 scorers local, 8 of top 15 and if you include Kingston kids it is 10 of top 15...... so it looks like the Ottawa area is well represented. Every Junior A league has players from outside it's area so what is the big deal.

On most teams US players pay the same as everyone else except that they have to pay around $350 per month to billet, big deal I bet you the parents of those players living in their home put that much out in food each month.

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Not sure what league you are following, on average there are more than 10 players per team in CCHL that played their minor hockey in the local league just look at Pointstreak, in addition to that there are a few Kingston kids. From what I can tell based on the rosters the lowest is 8 or 9 (some kids do not have hometown listed) and the most 18, even the top team Nepean has 14 or 15.

In the league 5 of top 10 scorers local, 8 of top 15 and if you include Kingston kids it is 10 of top 15...... so it looks like the Ottawa area is well represented. Every Junior A league has players from outside it's area so what is the big deal.

On most teams US players pay the same as everyone else except that they have to pay around $350 per month to billet, big deal I bet you the parents of those players living in their home put that much out in food each month.


Never said their was a problem with it....I agree with what you are saying....read my posts....kids outside of the ottawa district area.....lots of great local talent.... the communities dont care how many local kids are in the league....people care about winning....and if you can win with local then do so.....if not recruite...and recruite where the best available players are.....

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Big Loss For Brockville

Brockville paper today said Braves Captain Scott Dawson is done for the season due to the concussion he has been out with for the last 20 games.

A tough way for a player that has been in league since he was 16 to finish his Junior "A" career. Hopefully he feels better soon.

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[QUOTE=hardfacts;45794019]. Never said their was a problem with it....I agree with what you are saying....read my posts....kids outside of the ottawa district area.....lots of great local talent.... the communities dont care how many local kids are in the league....people care about winning....and if you can win with local then do so.....if not recruite...and recruite where the best available players are.....[/ So we agree that there is good local talent? I agree that fans want winning teams. PLK draw the most fans "in years that the team is successful". There have been some lean years when the team was not successful on the ice...local talent or not. The city teams will likely struggle to draw large numbers under any circumstances. Speaking of that, Last chance for the Stallions this weekend!?

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