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If i were Vanc, the are only 2 things in Tor that they would even consider moving that I'd be interested in & they are Kadri and they Leafs first
Scheider for Kadri straight up or
Scheider + 1st for Leafs 1st + 3rd
Those are two deals that should interest the Canucks, get the Leafs the goalie they need, and are pretty close in value. Of course I expect many Leaf homers to object but that's ok.
You're a Philly fan, you need a goalie.. Why don't you trade Couturier for Schneider? If you don't want to does that make you a homer too? Your proposal is garbage
As for Canucks fans who are poking fun saying we need Schneider and we need to give up valuable assets to get him, please, go peddle him somewhere else. The asking price is too high. GMs aren't dumb and will rather wait till he goes UFA before giving up what Vancouver wants. Keep him, thanks.
You're a Philly fan, you need a goalie.. Why don't you trade Couturier for Schneider? If you don't want to does that make you a homer too? Your proposal is garbage
As for Canucks fans who are poking fun saying we need Schneider and we need to give up valuable assets to get him, please, go peddle him somewhere else. The asking price is too high. GMs aren't dumb and will rather wait till he goes UFA before giving up what Vancouver wants. Keep him, thanks.
One problem though, Couturier > Kadri so your comparison is invalid.
One problem though, Couturier > Kadri so your comparison is invalid.
Kadri holds about equal value to Schneider.
Let's not nit-pick.
He proposed dealing a 4th-8th overall pick + for Schneider and 25th+ overall pick. Laughable. Notice every team Vancouver fans try peddling Schneider too doesn't want to pay the price, they'd rather reassess their own situation.
ok so instead of boring everyone with a long explanation i will try to keep it short and sweet..
soo
schenn+mac+Reimer+2nd(34-42)
for
Schneider, Schroeder, 1st (26-30)
Toronto needs goalies, depth + picks never hurt.
Van gets more depth for a good playoff run, a hard hitting dman with awesome upside.. goalie on a decent contract and not that much of a downgrade on picks...
so hows the value?
I would't offer Schenn. Maybe swap Komisarek for Schenn to even out the risk for both sides.
He proposed dealing a 4th-8th overall pick + for Schneider and 25th+ overall pick. Laughable. Notice every team Vancouver fans try peddling Schneider too doesn't want to pay the price, they'd rather reassess their own situation.
I guess most of the teams we're talking about will have long offseasons to reassess the situation.
IF Toronto or Tampa had traded for Schneider last offseason, they would be solidly in playoff positions right now but somehow the price for a good goalie isn't worth it.
On the topic of high price; Nucks fans though Hodgson was untouchable and there was no way he would be traded ... They will be disappointed in Schneider's return as well. He has become way overrated.
no. Booth is crap. Burrows depends on the twins. Schneider + 2 meh pieces won't get you Kessel.
He is the reason they've won back to back Art Rosses. They were 80 point forwards before he played with them. If you think Kessel is worth more, fine, but damn...at least watch the guy before you make stupid claims that make your opinion moot.
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Three mediocre pieces for Kessel. Thanks but no thanks.
Kessel is your only valuable forward piece, I understand the opposition to trade him, and frankly I wouldn't pay what he'd cost, or even what this proposal would cost, but Booth is a first line player on your squad, Burrows is probably the best value in the league, not counting ELCs, and Schneider, even if he doesn't become a cornerstone goaltender for your franchise, is far from "mediocre".
Oy, this thread is a trainwreck, it should be locked, but since it won't be, it's just going to be blocked, have fun ladies and gentlemen.
IF Toronto or Tampa had traded for Schneider last offseason, they would be solidly in playoff positions right now but somehow the price for a good goalie isn't worth it.
Schenn has had a rough year but it's unfair to say that he's a scrub considering how Ron Wilson treats guys like this. I feel that he will be a top 4 D-man next year and his value is only on the rise.
Schneider for Schenn has been talked about on this board all year and it makes a lot of sense for both teams. Leaf fans trying to devalue Schneider here aren't going to find any agreement with fans of other Western teams who have seen him play more. He'd be a big part of any playoff hopes for your team and would be IMO one of the biggest stars in Toronto.
Schenn on the other hand gives the Vancouver D more depth and more of an edge. I think there is a chance (despite what Salo has said so far) that Sami may play another year. If he does, Vancouver should minimize his minutes all year and see if they can slot him in on the 3rd pairing and get someone else to take his minutes with Edler.
Well, I guess the best I can do to "prove" it (we both know its actually impossible to prove) is to say that if you apply Schneider's save%, which has been consistent on different teams and different leagues throughout his carreer, to TO, the Leafs would have a goal difference of +46 instead of -9 which would put the team in the top 3-4 in the league...even if you allow fora save% drop to 0.925 (he's currently at 0.932) the Leafs would still have a +33 goal difference which would still have the Leafs in the top 6-7 in the league.
Well, I guess the best I can do to "prove" it (we both know its actually impossible to prove) is to say that if you apply Schneider's save%, which has been consistent on different teams and different leagues throughout his carreer, to TO, the Leafs would have a goal difference of +46 instead of -9 which would put the team in the top 3-4 in the league...even if you allow fora save% drop to 0.925 (he's currently at 0.932) the Leafs would still have a +33 goal difference which would still have the Leafs in the top 6-7 in the league.
Nice numbers, but it's all just a theory. I'll again point to Andrew Raycrofts numbers in Vancouver as compared to Toronto, Colorado and Dallas to show how goalies can have drastically different results playing for a bottom feeder as compared to a Presidents Trophy calibre team.
Nice numbers, but it's all just a theory. I'll again point to Andrew Raycrofts numbers in Vancouver as compared to Toronto, Colorado and Dallas to show how goalies can have drastically different results playing for a bottom feeder as compared to a Presidents Trophy calibre team.
Raycroft had similar numbers in Dallas the next year that he had in Vancouver before once again falling back down to his regular 0.895 save%. It's pretty clear he's just mentally weak and can't maintain a consistent level. Also, keep in mind his numbers weren't exactly stellar in Vancouver either 0.911.
Raycroft had similar numbers in Dallas the next year that he had in Vancouver before once again falling back down to his regular 0.895 save%. It's pretty clear he's just mentally weak and can't maintain a consistent level. Also, keep in mind his numbers weren't exactly stellar in Vancouver either 0.911.
Now you got it. Goalies can have more confidence and better numbers when playing in front of a better team.
no. Booth is crap. Burrows depends on the twins. Schneider + 2 meh pieces won't get you Kessel.
perfect example of a fan who doesn't bother to watch the Canucks actually play, but thinks he knows something about Canuck players.
Anyone who still thinks that Burrows is a product of the twins just doesn't know what they're talking about... it's really that simple. Anyone who seriously watches the Canucks play would know how valuable Burrows is to the team. He is the team's 4th most valuable forward after the twins and Kesler. He's one of the best PKers in the league... he is the only Canuck forward that can jump on any line on either wing and ignite his linemates. There isn't a player he's played with that he hasn't shown chemistry with. He is easily the Canucks most clutch forward, who shows up in every big game.
The Canucks most versatile, most clutch, and 2nd best 2-way (after Kesler) forward on the team is much more than just a product of the twins. Anyone who still says this, it becomes clear that you don't watch Canuck games at all, and are still holding onto false assumptions from years ago. Maybe you still think the Sedins are 2nd line players, and Kesler will never be anything more than a 3rd line shutdown center??
and that trade suggestion would never happen either, because of how valuable Burrows is. His impact vs. his cap hit is among the best in the league. Burrows is simply not going to be dealt because of how much he means to the team on and off the ice. And off the ice, having a key veteran player publicly take less money on his contract and encourage his teammates to do the same to allow for a deeper roster - those are the type of players that top teams need. There's just no way that Burrows goes anywhere.
I guess Leafs fans secretly just wants their team to hang around 9th place for eternity?
Contending teams are built from the net out.
Bruins, Rangers, Penguins to an extent in the East,
Canucks, Blues, Predators, Red Wings in the West.
Hawks are a special case of stacked skaters, and they have not been the same since their team had to disassemble due to salary cap and look at them now without a solid #1 goaltender.
Leafs should deal and get Schneider, the most ready and promising goaltender available, and build around him.
lol Booth is crap? He's better than every single winger you have except for Kessel. Not to many 210 lb guys can skate and shoot the way he does.
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Kessel is your only valuable forward piece, I understand the opposition to trade him, and frankly I wouldn't pay what he'd cost, or even what this proposal would cost, but Booth is a first line player on your squad, Burrows is probably the best value in the league, not counting ELCs, and Schneider, even if he doesn't become a cornerstone goaltender for your franchise, is far from "mediocre".
Oy, this thread is a trainwreck, it should be locked, but since it won't be, it's just going to be blocked, have fun ladies and gentlemen.
Sorry but Booth is not better than two top 10 scorers in the league. He would not be on our first line. Especially with the chemistry that Kessel and Lupul have.
So, Canucks fans, you should go back and watch the highlights of the last Leaf vs Canucks game and tell me how Schneider helps the Leafs. I don't remember all the goals but I remember 3 of them:
1 MacA has the puck come to him on the side boards, completely away from danger in the defencive zone. He has a clear path and time to clear the zone. Leafs defenceman, tired hurry to change. He steps on the puck, falls down the puck goes to a Canuck player who fires it to the open, off wing with no defcencive coverage and the Canucks score.
2. Lupul and someone else (I don't remember who) have the puck just inside their own blue line. They have time but cough the puck up, Canucks wing it again to an open winger all alone in front of Reimer and they score.
3. On the PK, Canucks are pressuring the Leafs and a rebound comes out to Matty Lombardi. The Leafs are tired, and Lombardi is all alone, no one within 15 feet of him, whiffs on the clearing attempt, right to a defenceman, the Canucks pass it around for 6 seconds before a point blast, on the PP with 4 exhausted Leaf players, goes in the net.
Our goaltending has been far from perfect but we must improve our PK and D-zone coverage from both forwards and defenceman before any goalie will make a significant improvement of our team. Giving up key assets to acquire a player who might be better than we have but may not make us any more of a contender than we are, isn't much different than the Kessel trade everyone seemd to enjoy making fun of the Leafs for.
Something that's worth noting here is the difference in a teams play when they're confident with their goaltending. When a team is playing in front of a confident goalie that confidence rubs off on the skaters and their game also improves. This happened for the Canucks earlier in the season when Luongo went down and Schneider replaced him for 5 games. The improvement in team play was remarkable.
Something that's worth noting here is the difference in a teams play when they're confident with their goaltending. When a team is playing in front of a confident goalie that confidence rubs off on the skaters and their game also improves. This happened for the Canucks earlier in the season when Luongo went down and Schneider replaced him for 5 games. The improvement in team play was remarkable.
The same thing happened for the Leafs with Reimer a year ago.
