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Markham, Ontario planning to build a 19,000 seat arena
I'm just holding on to hope that if southern Ontario gets another team that it goes to Hamilton, and I'm eager to see the Katz/AEG group get their hands on Copps.
I assume they've got more influence in the NHL than does MLSE.
Agree 100% Hamilton need a kickstart to the economy and the NHL is perfect for downtown.
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IF there is to be a second team in SO in the near future. would Buffalo not lobby for a Hamilton team to get that big piece of pie?
gotta assume they know the whole "Hamilton would kill the Sabres" thing is BS.. so why not try and get more $$$ from a team in the Hammer rather than the small amount(if any) Markham would bring..
now wouldnt that be weird.. Buffalo fighting for a team in the Hammer.
Thats not how business works. If they get nothing from Markham its because their market has not been affected. That in their eyes would be a sucess.
Agree 100% Hamilton need a kickstart to the economy and the NHL is perfect for downtown.
Thats not how business works. If they get nothing from Markham its because their market has not been affected. That in their eyes would be a sucess.
Sabres know a team in Hamilton wont affect their market.. they're just looking for more money if it ever happens.. i think they'd prefer Hamilton over Markham for that reason.. my guess so would that other place up the qew..
only one issue.. no one (NHL) will force another team into the Leafs market
Sabres know a team in Hamilton wont affect their market.. they're just looking for more money if it ever happens.. i think they'd prefer Hamilton over Markham for that reason.. my guess so would that other place up the qew..
only one issue.. no one (NHL) will force another team into the Leafs market
Haven't seen numbers either way. Is it as bad as they say? Hell no. But is it real threat? Yes , and because Hamilton is a better hockey market.
IF there is to be a second team in SO in the near future. would Buffalo not lobby for a Hamilton team to get that big piece of pie?
gotta assume they know the whole "Hamilton would kill the Sabres" thing is BS.. so why not try and get more $$$ from a team in the Hammer rather than the small amount(if any) Markham would bring..
now wouldnt that be weird.. Buffalo fighting for a team in the Hammer.
I've never understood why it is that both Buffalo & Toronto havent supported and embraced a team in Hamilton as it would be an absolute BOON to both of them. The arguments against are just laughable. Indeed, the entire league would benefit. Some enlightments in order however with Markham in play?...
I belive an NHL. team in Hamilton is the missing link that would completely turn around the cities downtown core & make it place where people would want to go insted of place where people like myself would like to avoid .
I'm still surprised that Hamilton group doesn't try to move Buffalo to Hamilton. That opens up TO for the ripening.
When they were sold last year, someone offered $70 million more for the Sabres ($259m) if they'd support their move out of Buffalo. I've read rumours that it was a proposed move to Hamilton.
"We did receive an offer from another individual, and I'll give you exact amount: it was $70 million more than this transaction, if we were willing to cooperate and move the team to another city. And we absolutely turned that down without any focus or interest at all. We were not gonna do that," said Golisano.
I belive an NHL. team in Hamilton is the missing link that would completely turn around the cities downtown core & make it place where people would want to go insted of place where people like myself would like to avoid .
Not sure where you live and how often you go donwtown, but my wife and I both work downtown, in different places, and have found the downtown a great place to be the last few years. Tremendous restaurants.
Try dinner anywhere along James St. N the 2nd Friday of every month (tomorrow!) and join the art crawl all along James St. N. It's got a great vibe.
In fact, we just came from dinner tonight at The Harbour Diner and it was completely full! We stopped by Papagayo on King W, btwn Caroline and Hess to pick up a gift certificate for friend and it was full too.
Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss more about such things.
Not sure where you live and how often you go donwtown, but my wife and I both work downtown, in different places, and have found the downtown a great place to be the last few years. Tremendous restaurants.
Try dinner anywhere along James St. N the 2nd Friday of every month (tomorrow!) and join the art crawl all along James St. N. It's got a great vibe.
In fact, we just came from dinner tonight at The Harbour Diner and it was completely full! We stopped by Papagayo on King W, btwn Caroline and Hess to pick up a gift certificate for friend and it was full too.
Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss more about such things.
Downtown Hamilton is starting to look a lot better sense the city started to tear down some thoses eyesores like the old federal building but still I would not like to be in downtown Hamilton after dark but when Hamilton dose get that NHL. team I will go downtown a lot more often but until then I will make my trips downtown a lot less frequent oh one last thing I live in the east end .
gotta assume they know the whole "Hamilton would kill the Sabres" thing is BS.. so why not try and get more $$$ from a team in the Hammer rather than the small amount(if any) Markham would bring.
In the past, I do think that the notion of a Hamilton team killing the Sabres was a realistic possibility, but with Pegula's ownership I don't think that's the case. He obviously would prefer a team that makes money, but he doesn't seem like the guy to abandon ship on the Sabres even if they end up being slightly in the red.
As for your second point, and.....
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I've never understood why it is that both Buffalo & Toronto havent supported and embraced a team in Hamilton as it would be an absolute BOON to both of them. The arguments against are just laughable. Indeed, the entire league would benefit. Some enlightments in order however with Markham in play?...
..... this, I can only imagine that they view the long-term negative repercussions of losing fans in the Hamilton region as being greater then the short-term positive effects of getting an indemnity out of them.
Not sure where you live and how often you go donwtown, but my wife and I both work downtown, in different places, and have found the downtown a great place to be the last few years. Tremendous restaurants.
Try dinner anywhere along James St. N the 2nd Friday of every month (tomorrow!) and join the art crawl all along James St. N. It's got a great vibe.
In fact, we just came from dinner tonight at The Harbour Diner and it was completely full! We stopped by Papagayo on King W, btwn Caroline and Hess to pick up a gift certificate for friend and it was full too.
Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss more about such things.
its nice how they have the lights on at night..makes a huge difference.
not sure why this city gets such a bad rap tbh.. i'd bet we are the safest among the bigger cities and probably some of the smaller cities throughout Canada..
its nice how they have the lights on at night..makes a huge difference.
not sure why this city gets such a bad rap tbh.. i'd bet we are the safest among the bigger cities and probably some of the smaller cities throughout Canada..
Heavy industry gets a bad rap and people live in the past. people are still genuinely surprised when I tell them I thought Pittsburgh was a beautiful city when I lived there.
In the past, I do think that the notion of a Hamilton team killing the Sabres was a realistic possibility, but with Pegula's ownership I don't think that's the case. He obviously would prefer a team that makes money, but he doesn't seem like the guy to abandon ship on the Sabres even if they end up being slightly in the red.
As for your second point, and.....
..... this, I can only imagine that they view the long-term negative repercussions of losing fans in the Hamilton region as being greater then the short-term positive effects of getting an indemnity out of them.
assuming its 20 percent (probably not even that close) of Sabres attendees are Canadian.. thats what 3500 seats? its not like there will be 3500 seats available to buy at a Hamilton game.. and the price difference would probably be a turnoff for most of those fans imo.
so again the whole "Hamilton would hurt Buffalo" is just a play for more money and if push came to shove they'd be in favour of Hamilton over another team in GTA imo
Heavy industry gets a bad rap and people live in the past. people are still genuinely surprised when I tell them I thought Pittsburgh was a beautiful city when I lived there.
the majority of the haters probably never even been to Hamilton, or they're just Torontonians like Melrose Munch
In February, Councillor Maria Augimeri asked (now former) TTC head Gary Webster about the Spadina extension from Downsview to Vaughan. Her question was "Is this the same subway I voted for when I was an MPP in the 1980s?" The answer was "Yes."
Its only now gained funding to go ahead and will be complete by 2015. Similarly, the extension of the Yonge line to Richmond Hill has been planned for 30 years, but has no funding to go ahead. There are simply other priorities (the $6.5 billion under construction Eglinton line among them).
The other problem with this particular project is existing capacity issues on the Yonge line. It is not uncommon for all seats to be gone at Yonge-Sheppard station and the car to be at capacity (where it is impossible for anyone else to board) before Eglinton during rush hour. Yonge-Bloor is probably most concerning though, to the point where crowded platforms are becoming a safety hazard. Bottom line, the TTC has no interest in causing further issues (the new Eglinton line will do enough of that in 2020) and will likely only let the northern extension go ahead if they get funding for a downtown relief line to run from the financial district to Pape Station (and possibly north along Don Mills).
Regardless, it is probably irrelevant for the Markham Arena. The final stop under the proposal is Langstaff GO Station, still more than 8km east of the arena site. The best way to provide transportation to it, provided the Stouffville line upgrades go ahead (not sure they will), would be to interline the Stouffville line with other GO lines (i.e. Lakeshore West line wouldn't end at Union Station, but continue up to Unionville).
That's to bad, the Yonge Street extension makes more sense than the Spadina extension.
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that's how I'd imagine a Vaughan/Richmond Hill extension to be used. What a waste of money. People who live there don't take public transit.
You'd be surprised. The Yonge Street YRT & Viva Bus Route is the busiest Bus Route in the GTA, especially during the rush hours. The amount of buses running into/out of the Finch Go/YRT Station is crazy.
assuming its 20 percent (probably not even that close) of Sabres attendees are Canadian.. thats what 3500 seats? its not like there will be 3500 seats available to buy at a Hamilton game.. and the price difference would probably be a turnoff for most of those fans imo.
so again the whole "Hamilton would hurt Buffalo" is just a play for more money and if push came to shove they'd be in favour of Hamilton over another team in GTA imo
That's 20% season ticket holders, in a game by game poll I'd say it would have to be much higher. over 50% when the Leafs play there
Anyway I haven't heard anything in quite a while about the arena. Did somebody get cold feet?
assuming its 20 percent (probably not even that close) of Sabres attendees are Canadian.. thats what 3500 seats? its not like there will be 3500 seats available to buy at a Hamilton game.. and the price difference would probably be a turnoff for most of those fans imo.
so again the whole "Hamilton would hurt Buffalo" is just a play for more money and if push came to shove they'd be in favour of Hamilton over another team in GTA imo
A team in the GTA would be less likely to hurt the sabres
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the majority of the haters probably never even been to Hamilton, or they're just Torontonians like Melrose Munch
Downtown is nasty. End of story. I was born in Toronto, spent most of my life here. I commute to U of T St george now. I guess a I am half Torontonian.
First of all the Sabres are ouright lieing when they say that 20% there fan base is in Ontario in fact the Sabres fan base in Ontario is half that & probley dropping because most people just don't want to put up the hassel at the border .
First of all the Sabres are ouright lieing when they say that 20% there fan base is in Ontario in fact the Sabres fan base in Ontario is half that & probley dropping because most people just don't want to put up the hassel at the border .
We don't know until we see the numbers. If thats true about the border then they will fight this even more - they'll lose those Niagara Falls, St Catharines, Welland people who will go to Hamilton because of no border.
assuming its 20 percent (probably not even that close) of Sabres attendees are Canadian.. thats what 3500 seats? its not like there will be 3500 seats available to buy at a Hamilton game.. and the price difference would probably be a turnoff for most of those fans imo.
so again the whole "Hamilton would hurt Buffalo" is just a play for more money and if push came to shove they'd be in favour of Hamilton over another team in GTA imo
Perhaps, but don't see the Sabres letting go of that argument any time soon.
We don't know until we see the numbers. If thats true about the border then they will fight this even more - they'll lose those Niagara Falls, St Catharines, Welland people who will go to Hamilton because of no border.
Difference between ST prices in Buffalo and Hamilton (SO) would be pretty drastic IMO... I'm not saying that Niagara Region couldn't afford it but it would be enough of a difference to not drop Buffalo as "their" team.
Perhaps, but don't see the Sabres letting go of that argument any time soon.
I agree, until the NHL forces another team into the golden horseshoe they'll stick to their guns. And the NHL doesn't have the backbone to force anything on The Leafs.
Difference between ST prices in Buffalo and Hamilton (SO) would be pretty drastic IMO... I'm not saying that Niagara Region couldn't afford it but it would be enough of a difference to not drop Buffalo as "their" team.
But Hamilton will be (or is supposed to) cheaper then Toronto. Thats the whole point of this exercise.
23rd in the league 16 dollars under the NHL average.. Where do you think Hamilton would be MM? Top 10? Top 5?
I just saw that. Probably top 5. But they should not do that. They can get a large TV contract and make money off merch. Make the prices cheap and fill up Copps.
