The stretch pass saves players because it forces the D to backup and not run people coming over the middle.
As a former defenseman, let me mention I would have loved to play with the 2 line offside rule. I can't even imagine how fun it would be to lurk right behind the red line and just line people up all night long.
Another thing is that this will allow a wing to come way back in a defensive position, meaning that if I miss trying to take someones head off, were still in decent defensive position.
The stretch pass saves players because it forces the D to backup and not run people coming over the middle.
As a former defenseman, let me mention I would have loved to play with the 2 line offside rule. I can't even imagine how fun it would be to lurk right behind the red line and just line people up all night long.
Another thing is that this will allow a wing to come way back in a defensive position, meaning that if I miss trying to take someones head off, were still in decent defensive position.
With the defensive systems and goalies teams have now, there would be some ugly score sheets.
Now they're trying to tell us that putting the Red Line back will Increase scoring?
The red line has always been this way it was original put in to increase scoring 50 years later it was removed to increase scoring. I'm not sure the NHL know what the rule does to scoring if anything noticeable.
The red line offside rule does help offense because of the constant pressure by the defensemen pairing in the offensive zone due to where they are. It encourages creativity when it comes to it. In order to make this 2-line offside rule works, expand the neutral zone to balance all zones,, 10 feet goal line, 60 feet offensive blueline zone, 60 feet neutral zone, 60 feet defensive zone, and 10 feet goal line to the end board. Then you'd have the 85x200 rink with equal zones all over the ice.
The reason for it, as soon as d-men passes from his own blueline, it can pass across 60 feet in the neutral zone and potentially for a breakaway rather than what they employ now, 11 feet goal line, 64 feet offensive zone, 50 feet neutral zone, and 64 feet defensive zone, and 11 feet goal line currently. This will give room to combat the trap if the neutral zone is expanded.
I remember, the deadpuck era happens because there was a rule changed in regards to unbalanced zones all across with 13 feet from the end board to the goal line, creating the dead puck era before it reverts back to 11 feet but the zone wasn't balanced. It was supposed to be 10 feet goal line as it was intended to be.
It would be interesting for one season, I would hate the actual rule but watching people get run over and bench clearing brawls would be fun to watch for one year
"I know there's a handful of GMs out there that think that by putting the red line back in, you're going to generate more plays in the neutral zone, so maybe that generates a big more offense and a bit more entertainment. The double side is that it slows the game down a bit."
uh what? he just contradicted himself in the same sentence. everybody has been talking about how great the game is because its so fast now we need to bring back the 2 line pass. is this the way the nhl is going to be from now on, creating new rules every year? goalie pads have gotten massively oversized and yet we try to find every single way to increase scoring outside of making the pads smaller.
i know its only being discussed, but maybe they need to stop discussing 50 new rules every year. they are at the point of micromanaging the game with new rules when all they need to do is SHRINK THE GOALIE PADS.
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uh what? he just contradicted himself in the same sentence. everybody has been talking about how great the game is because its so fast now we need to bring back the 2 line pass. is this the way the nhl is going to be from now on, creating new rules every year? goalie pads have gotten massively oversized and yet we try to find every single way to increase scoring outside of making the pads smaller.
i know its only being discussed, but maybe they need to stop discussing 50 new rules every year. they are at the point of micromanaging the game with new rules when all they need to do is SHRINK THE GOALIE PADS.
False. Go back and look at my posts earlier in the thread. Although shrinking the goalie pads will help, it is not the instant fix everyone believes it is.
Goalie equipment hasn't increased since the lockout and yet scoring has dropped almost 15% in only 6 years
Also, you're assuming that speed and offense are inextricably linked, which is far from proven. More speed doesn't not always equal more offense and less offense does not always mean less speed. A powerplay is incredibly slow compared to 5 on 5 play but clearly there's way more offense there. That's the idea here, change the neutral zone simply from a pass through where you try and gain speed, to an area where strategy is needed and where crisp passes and solid plays help. That passing and strategy, is offense.
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Goalie equipment hasn't increased since the lockout and yet scoring has dropped almost 15% in only 6 years
whats your point? goalie pads were still oversized when the lockout began and are still oversized.
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Also, you're assuming that speed and offense are inextricably linked, which is far from proven. More speed doesn't not always equal more offense and less offense does not always mean less speed.
nope. i think most fans believe the overall quality of the game is better than ever because of the speed which makes the game more intense, which i agree with. i know it has nothing to do with goalscoring.
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A powerplay is incredibly slow compared to 5 on 5 play but clearly there's way more offense there. That's the idea here, change the neutral zone simply from a pass through where you try and gain speed, to an area where strategy is needed and where crisp passes and solid plays help. That passing and strategy, is offense.
do you really think passing the puck around in the neutral zone to beat a trap is exciting?
with modern technology im sure we can manage to take the size of goalie pads back to the way they were in the 80's, maybe even early 90's without neglecting the safety of goaltenders.
Last edited by Datstromberg: 03-09-2012 at 12:28 PM.
I will do a little research to look on scoring numbers of European leagues during 1997-98 and 1998-99 seasons. 2-line pass was removed between those two seasons. I will try to publish it tomorrow.
It is possible to increase the size of both the neutral zone and the offensive / defensive zones.
Move the blue lines 3' - 5' closer to the goal lines. This increases the size of the neutral zone.
Employ a floating blue line whereby once the attacking team gains the blue line, the offensive zone is automatically extended to the red line until the zone is cleared (puck past the red line).
No-touch icing to discourage half court dump-ins.
The floating blue line is used in ball hockey and works very well.
This would create a basketball style "half court" offense. It would be much more difficult for the defensive team to clear the zone, but once they cleared the zone, there is a large neutral zone for plays to develop.
Edit: A less radical step would be just to make the blue lines wider - like 3' or 4' wide. This is, in a sense, a floating blue line because the zones are determined by the puck completely crossing the blue line.
whats your point? goalie pads were still oversized when the lockout began and are still oversized.
The point is the size of goalie pads has a much smaller impact than most believe on rising save percentage.
Many bemoan the increase in pad size in the last 30 years. That's perfectly fine. However to then make the jump to assuming that the .040 increase in save percentage over those 30 years is almost entirely due to pad size is where the error comes in.
Based on analysis I have seen and done, goalie equipment size has likely caused between .004 and .010 of the .040 increase in save percentage.
That equates to between .24 and .6 goals per game. Certainly that isn't meaningless, but it does represent a smaller drop than we've seen since the lockout where goalie equipment has remained constant. It also represents only around 1/7th or 1/8th of the scoring drop since the 80s when goalie equipment is compared to.
Based on my analysis, sure reducing goalie equipment will help, but it'll only get you to a level of around 5.75 goals per game, which is below what we had even 4 short years ago.
I'll be honest, I only follow other sport leagues on a very casual basis. Compared to the NHL, do the NBA, NFL and MLB have this desire to constantly change the rules of the game like the NHL does?
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I'll be honest, I only follow other sport leagues on a very casual basis. Compared to the NHL, do the NBA, NFL and MLB have this desire to constantly change the rules of the game like the NHL does?
Lemieux, Bure, Mogilny, Lafontane, none of them had problems with the redline. Bring it back. Can't do that much damage. IF it's that bad, take it out again.
whats your point? goalie pads were still oversized when the lockout began and are still oversized.
The point is that goalie equipment hasn't changed since the lockout (actually it got SLIGHTLY smaller in 2010 or 2011 I believe) yet we've still lost almost a goal per game since then. Goalie equipment obviously did not cause that drop, so some people are more interested in fixing whatever did.
It's the increased emphasis on defensive systems, defensive coaching and especially shot blocking IMO that are lowering quality chances thereby raising save percentages and lowering goals per game. I don't see how we can bring red line offsides back without making those problems much worse. We could shrink the gear at the same time, but goalies are still going to square up, save most shots with their chest and retain their effectiveness. Nothing short of a paradigm shift in how hockey is played will change the advantages goalies have gained which I believe comes from modern coaching and technique. Watch some Patrick Roy footage from 1988 or so, the modern butterfly technique was improving goaltending drastically even before the major changes in gear.
Last edited by digitaljohn: 03-09-2012 at 05:44 PM.
That's the idea here, change the neutral zone simply from a pass through where you try and gain speed, to an area where strategy is needed and where crisp passes and solid plays help. That passing and strategy, is offense.
This doesn't make any sense at all. There's nothing stopping any team in the league from running their offense like there's the two-line pass rule is in effect. If playing that way leads to more scoring, why aren't teams playing like that now?
