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03-08-2012, 12:36 AM
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I don't remember seeing a player scoring 5 goals in such a high caliber league. WOW.

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I don't remember seeing a player scoring 5 goals in such a high caliber league. WOW.
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Wasn't that in the world cup (94)?


Its the first time anybody has scored 5 times in the champions league era, it happend before in the european cup era but never at such a late stage in the competition.

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Sure at the WC, but when you talk high calibur, there isn't much higher than a WC.

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Sure at the WC, but when you talk high calibur, there isn't much higher than a WC.

most prestigious and even important, shure but the champions league is probably football of a higher level

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How many of his goals have come in blow out games (yes, that eternal hockey stat complaint)?

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I don't remember seeing a player scoring 5 goals in such a high caliber league. WOW.
I don't remember a team sucking that bad in the playoff stage in the UCL in since United whooped Juve 7-2 a few years ago

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03-09-2012, 12:40 PM
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How many of his goals have come in blow out games (yes, that eternal hockey stat complaint)?
I would hope its a blowout if you score 5 goals.

I should make more of a point to watch more barcelona games. We might not witness a player of this calibur in our lifetime again so we might as well savor it.

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most prestigious and even important, shure but the champions league is probably football of a higher level
No, I disagree with that. Heck, OM and OL have played putrid football and made it to the knockout stage. Zenith, Benfica, APOEL, etc...
Let's be serious, that's not WC level.

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I don't remember a team sucking that bad in the playoff stage in the UCL in since United whooped Juve 7-2 a few years ago
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leverkusen didn't even try

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No, I disagree with that. Heck, OM and OL have played putrid football and made it to the knockout stage. Zenith, Benfica, APOEL, etc...
Let's be serious, that's not WC level.
come on, lots of teams at the wc suck, most asian teams for example

the level of football at the last world cup in south africa was awfull (germany in 2006 was rather good though)

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leverkusen didn't even try
True, if this was Stoke I doubt Messi would score 1 goal let alone 5.

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03-09-2012, 05:39 PM
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leverkusen didn't even try
They didn't try or they couldn't get the ball? I suppose if they'd kicked us off the park like other teams that "try" it would have been better.

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come on, lots of teams at the wc suck, most asian teams for example

the level of football at the last world cup in south africa was awfull (germany in 2006 was rather good though)
Apparently, you missed the Zagreb (0-6, 22 goals against), Galati (0-6), Genk (3 pts, 16 goals against), Borisov (2 pts, 14 goals against) or even the mighty APOEL through to the quarter finals, whiwh says a lot about the quality of the team they faced to get there.

There are weak teams in WC and there are weak teams in CL. But the higher level of players is in the WC.

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They didn't try or they couldn't get the ball? I suppose if they'd kicked us off the park like other teams that "try" it would have been better.
Meaning they had already given up on the kick off. But I guess that's the "glory/wonder" of the UCL. One season a big team can look a like a 2nd division team while a "minnow" can look like European superpower. Sometimes they can "change appearance" during the campaign (Milan and ARSEnal).

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Meaning they had already given up on the kick off. But I guess that's the "glory/wonder" of the UCL. One season a big team can look a like a 2nd division team while a "minnow" can look like European superpower. Sometimes they can "change appearance" during the campaign (Milan and ARSEnal).
So that's why they scored an excellent goal in the dying minutes.

Look, they hung their heads at some point in the second half, but they weren't just lying down the whole match. Not to mention this is the same team that beat Bayern just days before. And what I really find funny about all this is people ignoring the absolute quality of basically four of Messi's goals. How many other players do you honestly believe score those goals? (I'm not asking you personally).

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03-11-2012, 08:09 AM
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They didn't try or they couldn't get the ball? I suppose if they'd kicked us off the park like other teams that "try" it would have been better.
how many goals did he score in the world cup?

hey, i'm not saying messi isn't awesome, he is awesome as is his team, but leverkusen could at least have tried to give a little more pressure on the ball holder when you know he's got a deadly shot and he's only a few feet outside your penalty area? i don't know, try to give the guy a little push or something

back then players sometimes played awfully physical on pele and maradona, you never see that today

also it didn't help leverkusen already lost 1-3 at home

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03-11-2012, 08:35 AM
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How many goals has Messi scored away from Nou Camp this season?

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How many goals has Messi scored away from Nou Camp this season?
16 goals away, 32 at home

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even the mighty APOEL through to the quarter finals, whiwh says a lot about the quality of the team they faced to get there.
surely it's not that different from let's say South Korea getting to a WC semi-final..

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16 goals away, 32 at home
Doesn't he have something like 5 away goals in La Liga?

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Then it's seven now...

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Then it's seven now...
And only the 4th away game this season that he's scored in...

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50 goals for the season now already (in 43 games)

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How many of his goals have come in blow out games (yes, that eternal hockey stat complaint)?
Few, and usually if you score 4 or 5 you blowout the other team.


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More than half of the teams in a lot of leagues.

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