do arenas in another cities fulfill conditions of MHL? If not, how much money should club invest? That could be problem. To be honest, I dont think it is a main problem or biggest one
I think they fulfill conditions of MHL, at least Belarus Open League games were played not only in Piņķi and Liepāja but also in Daugavpils and Ogre few years ago... Daugavpils even hosted pre-season Dinamo Rīga game so I think the arena would fulfill all the conditions.
The only thing is that apart from Arena Riga all our 16 or so arenas are small, for about 1000 spectators or a bit more. But Daugavpils can hold 2000 I guess so it shouldn't be a problem with MHL.
Helpoing, I don't know about VHL development. The top clubs like Rubin or Donbass might join KHL, maybe some other club and that won't be good for the league. And it's not like VHL can really develop somewhere, it won't attract tons of foreigners because of the limits and Russia produces many good players but still not as many as to fill around 20 KHL teams and also more than 20 VHL clubs. The level might be a bit higher but as it was already said, it's not like our guys are ready to dominate even in Belarus League..... We barely make play-off this year there, I guess. The same as with KHL, MHL and MHL B The same would probably be true in VHL too.
@ozo, Latgale_fan
VHL has a far greater influx of money when compared to OBC. It's tied to KHL and MHL rapid development (and with every passing year those ties will grow stronger), cause players are constantly transferred between the aformentioned leagues.
Media coverage is also superior: access to KHL-TV, the outdoor event.
Even if Donbass and Rubin will move in the next few years, the remaining group is quite solid: Toros, Yermak, Yuzhny Ural, Dyzel. Add Loko and an upcoming CSKA farm, Lada (which I hope will improve in the nearest future), possible KHL cast-offs. Plus I expect the pool of decent Russian players to grow at a good rate.
So, that makes it a better option for DR farm, as I think. Yes, we won't be able to top the league, but playing against stronger opposition will only help our guys in the long run.
@ozo, Latgale_fan
VHL has a far greater influx of money when compared to OBC. It's tied to KHL and MHL rapid development (and with every passing year those ties will grow stronger), cause players are constantly transferred between the aformentioned leagues.
Media coverage is also superior: access to KHL-TV, the outdoor event.
Even if Donbass and Rubin will move in the next few years, the remaining group is quite solid: Toros, Yermak, Yuzhny Ural, Dyzel. Add Loko and an upcoming CSKA farm, Lada (which I hope will improve in the nearest future), possible KHL cast-offs. Plus I expect the pool of decent Russian players to grow at a good rate.
So, that makes it a better option for DR farm, as I think. Yes, we won't be able to top the league, but playing against stronger opposition will only help our guys in the long run.
@ozo, Latgale_fan
VHL has a far greater influx of money when compared to OBC. It's tied to KHL and MHL rapid development (and with every passing year those ties will grow stronger), cause players are constantly transferred between the aformentioned leagues.
Media coverage is also superior: access to KHL-TV, the outdoor event.
Even if Donbass and Rubin will move in the next few years, the remaining group is quite solid: Toros, Yermak, Yuzhny Ural, Dyzel. Add Loko and an upcoming CSKA farm, Lada (which I hope will improve in the nearest future), possible KHL cast-offs. Plus I expect the pool of decent Russian players to grow at a good rate.
So, that makes it a better option for DR farm, as I think. Yes, we won't be able to top the league, but playing against stronger opposition will only help our guys in the long run.
What "rapid development of MHL" is going on? They are simply adding more teams and that's it. Unless you can somehow prove that MHL 2011/12 is superior to MHL 2010/2011, then I can't agree with you.
I agree that Russian player pool will only get better but that will happen with time and because of better coaching and arenas being built in new places and not because there now is MHL thus everything smells like roses.
And indeed what CSKA farm? How can you add Lokomotiv if they'll be the only team which for sure won't be in the VHL next season. Outdoor event will really help our kids develope, lol. The way I see it, there's no point of increasing Metalurgs budget only to burn it all on increased travelling costs. If our Turkmeni sponsor will fully cover the costs then I won't be able to complain, I guess.
What "rapid development of MHL" is going on? They are simply adding more teams and that's it. Unless you can somehow prove that MHL 2011/12 is superior to MHL 2010/2011, then I can't agree with you.
I agree that Russian player pool will only get better but that will happen with time and because of better coaching and arenas being built in new places and not because there now is MHL thus everything smells like roses.
And indeed what CSKA farm? How can you add Lokomotiv if they'll be the only team which for sure won't be in the VHL next season. Outdoor event will really help our kids develope, lol. The way I see it, there's no point of increasing Metalurgs budget only to burn it all on increased travelling costs. If our Turkmeni sponsor will fully cover the costs then I won't be able to complain, I guess.
By the time Donbass and Rubin leave Loko and CSKA will have farms in the VHL for sure. It's almost mandatory for them.
On MHL: many young guys play each other on a regular basis, there's no way that it doesn't help them to get better (not talking about overagers or likes of Gusev, rather about your average Ivan).
By the time Donbass and Rubin leave Loko and CSKA will have farms in the VHL for sure. It's almost mandatory for them.
On MHL: many young guys play each other on a regular basis, there's no way that it doesn't help them to get better (not talking about overagers or likes of Gusev, rather about your average Ivan).
Those two potential teams will have budgets at a fraction of size of Rubin and Donbass. And I'm not saying MHL doesn't help kids getting better, I'm finding hard to believe that MHL this year is superior to MHL last season.
Those two potential teams will have budgets at a fraction of size of Rubin and Donbass. And I'm not saying MHL doesn't help kids getting better, I'm finding hard to believe that MHL this year is superior to MHL last season.
Yeah but CSKA and Loko have really good youth... Rubin and especially Donbass are not that good in this department. If CSKA has much bigger budget next year, all the young players will be left in VHL and they can make noise there. You already saw how Lokomotiv looked this year despite the fact it was created on the basis of the MHL club adding 2-3 older players and few guys from other teams. The same can be done with CSKA and from this Lokomotiv roster I'm afraid only few people at beast will play in KHL. Yaroslavl has money and they'll rebuild a strong team, maybe not as strong as they used to have as you can't do that in 1 year but it'll still be, imho, a solid play-off team next year.
Yeah but CSKA and Loko have really good youth... Rubin and especially Donbass are not that good in this department. If CSKA has much bigger budget next year, all the young players will be left in VHL and they can make noise there. You already saw how Lokomotiv looked this year despite the fact it was created on the basis of the MHL club adding 2-3 older players and few guys from other teams. The same can be done with CSKA and from this Lokomotiv roster I'm afraid only few people at beast will play in KHL. Yaroslavl has money and they'll rebuild a strong team, maybe not as strong as they used to have as you can't do that in 1 year but it'll still be, imho, a solid play-off team next year.
You guys are funny, no cska fan yet knows the future and you are discussing a VHL farm for us
What "rapid development of MHL" is going on? They are simply adding more teams and that's it. Unless you can somehow prove that MHL 2011/12 is superior to MHL 2010/2011, then I can't agree with you.
I agree that Russian player pool will only get better but that will happen with time and because of better coaching and arenas being built in new places and not because there now is MHL thus everything smells like roses.
And indeed what CSKA farm? How can you add Lokomotiv if they'll be the only team which for sure won't be in the VHL next season. Outdoor event will really help our kids develope, lol. The way I see it, there's no point of increasing Metalurgs budget only to burn it all on increased travelling costs. If our Turkmeni sponsor will fully cover the costs then I won't be able to complain, I guess.
Better coaching and arenas clearly contribute a great deal, but I think you are overlooking probably the biggest value of MHL - allowing youth players to get regular, hopefully intense competition that forces management and coaches to invest in improving their teams, and forces the players to improve their skills. The MHL diminishes the damage done by sitting on the bench of a KHL team and getting only minimal competitive experience.
And I'm not saying MHL doesn't help kids getting better, I'm finding hard to believe that MHL this year is superior to MHL last season.
maybe it isn't but I'd still love to think that scouting improves every year and talents are found more and more in Russian hockey, they are polished and in that way raise the level of MHL. I think the level is definitely higher than in the first season and it's my personal opinion that it still increases, maybe a bit, but increases.
Let's not forget that in 1st MHL season a lot of youngsters still played in 1.liga or VHL while with draft and big teams scouting players more now, I'd say, excluding Lokomotiv almost all the talent is in MHL, there's not many guys of junior age in VHL or lower leagues (sadly in KHL too but what can you do )
Better coaching and arenas clearly contribute a great deal, but I think you are overlooking probably the biggest value of MHL - allowing youth players to get regular, hopefully intense competition that forces management and coaches to invest in improving their teams, and forces the players to improve their skills. The MHL diminishes the damage done by sitting on the bench of a KHL team and getting only minimal competitive experience.
Once again I got the feeling that everyone forgets that hockey in Russia was played even before the establishment of KHL/VHL/MHL. There were junior leagues even before MHL, players weren't only practicing without playing any games. Heck even now regional junior competitions are taking place.
I certainly agree that new arenas and facilities are really great thing and can only improve the quality of training, but what has changed with coaching area which you clearly state as improved compared to situation 5 years ago? What has changed? All old coaches are fired and a new and better bunch has been hired? Have new training methods have been implemented? Yeah, I can see where are you coming from when you state that players are now more playing than bench-warming, though it's still an issue, but that's a result of the level of competition than the systems fault.
Once again I got the feeling that everyone forgets that hockey in Russia was played even before the establishment of KHL/VHL/MHL. There were junior leagues even before MHL, players weren't only practicing without playing any games. Heck even now regional junior competitions are taking place.
I certainly agree that new arenas and facilities are really great thing and can only improve the quality of training, but what has changed with coaching area which you clearly state as improved compared to situation 5 years ago? What has changed? All old coaches are fired and a new and better bunch has been hired? Have new training methods have been implemented? Yeah, I can see where are you coming from when you state that players are now more playing than bench-warming, though it's still an issue, but that's a result of the level of competition than the systems fault.
The current situation in Russian hockey forces most managers and coaches to be better. Hockey is clearly getting more and more attention. So if one is a fool (Vityaz is a unique case), then he will be laughed at on all media platforms and his fanbase will diminish quickly. Look what happened with the U20 event in Russia. After an epic failure in 2010 which was followed closely by the media, FHR was forced to hire a good coaching staff and to get rid of corruption on that level.
The current situation in Russian hockey forces most managers and coaches to be better. Hockey is clearly getting more and more attention. So if one is a fool (Vityaz is a unique case), then he will be laughed at on all media platforms and his fanbase will diminish quickly. Look what happened with the U20 event in Russia. After an epic failure in 2010 which was followed closely by the media, FHR was forced to hire a good coaching staff and to get rid of corruption on that level.
Plus, as I already said young players are now pretty much all in MHL, before that the talents played in 1.liga, were sitting on the bench in old VHL or playing in regional leagues. Now with scouting and teams looking for players all young talent is in one league- MHL. There they have better coaching opportunities, infrastructure and more competitive hockey playing against all the best players of their age in Russia. And the number of talents should increase for the same reason as it should in Latvia... in 2000s there were a lot of new arenas built all over Russia (and they continue to build them even now), hockey was introduced to higher population so maybe the number of really big talents might not dramatically increase, there should be more qualitative players to choose from for MHL teams every year in that way raising the level of the league. And as it was already said, now the fans and hockey people can see these youth games in MHl, they can criticize, they can make centralized seminars to coaches etc. KHL has scouting bureau that can find talents all over Russia and bring them to the best hockey schools to play in MHL
The same would probably be true in VHL too.
)
