Pretty much none of those hits are old school. Look at the Robinson hit. Take note that nothing on Robinson's body above mid chest makes contact with the opponent until he is "rebounding" off the boards.
That is why they call it a body check.
Today you have raised elbows and lowered shoulders. You also have concussions and shortened careers. You may find a big open ice hit or 2 from the 1930's to the early 70's (when over expansion brought low skill players to the league) but you will not find many.
Funny thing is because there was no free agents hence not many players changed teams often there were real rivalries and real hatred both on the ice and in the stands yet players were still able to respect that hammering an unsuspecting opponent or hitting him up high could end a career and it just simply wasn't done.
The biggest laugh I get on this site is people saying a guy deserved to get labled because he had his head down. This is ****ing hockey the puck is the object of the game. The game will get worse as our best skill players continue to have their careers shortened by dirty hits (hitting an unsuspecting/defenseless player is a dirty hit) while stupid fans laugh, giggle and make highlight video's condoning the cheapening of the game.
Yes, this is HOCKEY, when you learn to keep your head up in Pee-wee leagues ffs. I guess you never played hockey at a Pro level or else you would know this, players today would laugh at your statement.
only video i could find of the boychuk hit on vanek last night
I've always felt that these aren't bodychecks- since the hit is delivered with the arms/fists.
I played with a guy in bantam and midget who would throw big hits that way, and I thought he should have been called for roughing every time. Always with the gloves to the chest/neck/cage delivering the force of the hit- not just the follow-through.
I've always felt that these aren't bodychecks- since the hit is delivered with the arms/fists.
I played with a guy in bantam and midget who would throw big hits that way, and I thought he should have been called for roughing every time. Always with the gloves to the chest/neck/cage delivering the force of the hit- not just the follow-through.
If Boychuk made this hit with his shoulder the point of contact probably would have been Vanek's head seeing as it was down..Leading with his arms he was able to make sure he made the big hit but made contact with his chest and not his head. Smart actually imo
Yes, this is HOCKEY, when you learn to keep your head up in Pee-wee leagues ffs. I guess you never played hockey at a Pro level or else you would know this, players today would laugh at your statement.
You guess I never played hockey at the pro level? LOL Are you alleging that puts me in the minority here or diminishes the opinion in an yway? Just because last week your Pee-wee coach had you working on keeping your head up so some thug doesn't cream you doesn't change a thing.
Are you saying "those" hits were a regular thing before expansion made room for guys who couldn't skate or handle the puck very well so they did "other things" to level the field. Your post actually doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. The talentless go head hunting so the rest need to prepare for it.
Since you evidently are planning on a prosperous pro career after high school pull any roster from the 60's and ask a Howe, Hull, Richard or Bathgate how long they would have lasted if the game was played as carelessly then as it is now. ... Without helmets!
So we are clear are you saying the game has not changed?
If Boychuk made this hit with his shoulder the point of contact probably would have been Vanek's head seeing as it was down..Leading with his arms he was able to make sure he made the big hit but made contact with his chest and not his head. Smart actually imo
That's a good point.
I wasn't trying to criticize this hit in particular, btw.
You guess I never played hockey at the pro level? LOL Are you alleging that puts me in the minority here or diminishes the opinion in an yway? Just because last week your Pee-wee coach had you working on keeping your head up so some thug doesn't cream you doesn't change a thing.
Are you saying "those" hits were a regular thing before expansion made room for guys who couldn't skate or handle the puck very well so they did "other things" to level the field. Your post actually doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. The talentless go head hunting so the rest need to prepare for it.
Since you evidently are planning on a prosperous pro career after high school pull any roster from the 60's and ask a Howe, Hull, Richard or Bathgate how long they would have lasted if the game was played as carelessly then as it is now. ... Without helmets!
So we are clear are you saying the game has not changed?
There's more of Wilson's great hits, since he has one every other game, but sadly they aren't posted on youtube.
Most of his hits resemble the one on Seguin and Robinson's hit posted below, he leaves just enough space alongside the boards to make the opposing forward think he can get by and then he closes in and levels him.
This hit is amazing, had a huge impact literally and figuratively, left a dent in the boards that they had to stop the game and fix, and was a defining moment in the end of the Broad Street Bullies
You guess I never played hockey at the pro level? LOL Are you alleging that puts me in the minority here or diminishes the opinion in an yway? Just because last week your Pee-wee coach had you working on keeping your head up so some thug doesn't cream you doesn't change a thing.
Are you saying "those" hits were a regular thing before expansion made room for guys who couldn't skate or handle the puck very well so they did "other things" to level the field. Your post actually doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. The talentless go head hunting so the rest need to prepare for it.
Since you evidently are planning on a prosperous pro career after high school pull any roster from the 60's and ask a Howe, Hull, Richard or Bathgate how long they would have lasted if the game was played as carelessly then as it is now. ... Without helmets!
So we are clear are you saying the game has not changed?
Fully agree with this and your original comments. I've been saying the same for years. People saying that those types of hits are 'old school' are probably pretty young and would probably enjoy UFC more than hockey the way it used to be played.
These dirty hits to injure vulnerable opponents aren't part of hockey the way it was designed and will end many careers before things are changed.
Perhaps we need two types of games, ones for hockey fans and the other for the UFC/Football fans that aren't interested in the skill of the game of hockey as it used to be played.
People laugh when I talk about the respect that used to be in the game but you described it very well. I played plenty of hockey in my time and no matter how heated and rough it got on the ice, including the odd fight, we never tried to end another players career to get a few cheers from unknowing 'fans'.
You guess I never played hockey at the pro level? LOL Are you alleging that puts me in the minority here or diminishes the opinion in an yway? Just because last week your Pee-wee coach had you working on keeping your head up so some thug doesn't cream you doesn't change a thing.
Are you saying "those" hits were a regular thing before expansion made room for guys who couldn't skate or handle the puck very well so they did "other things" to level the field. Your post actually doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. The talentless go head hunting so the rest need to prepare for it.
Since you evidently are planning on a prosperous pro career after high school pull any roster from the 60's and ask a Howe, Hull, Richard or Bathgate how long they would have lasted if the game was played as carelessly then as it is now. ... Without helmets!
So we are clear are you saying the game has not changed?
Im 29 years old, and i've played pro-hockey for almost 11 years.
The thing is that the hits that need to go away is the elbows to the head, hits in the numbers and blindsided hits etc. etc. Not the north-south hit.
The game is so fast nowadays, much much faster then in the 60's.
You think Kronwall's hit on Voracek the other night was dirty?
It was ALL Voracek's fault that he put himself in that position. (which he also said, and he also thought it was a clean hit)
He first looks up (which you can clearly see in the clip below) he must have seen Kronwall coming for him at that point.
Put yourself in Kronwall's shoes, all happens in a split second, you coming to hit Voracek, you see him looking up, but when you're just some meter away he looks down again.. what would you do? stop and hoping that Voracek just looses the puck?
Kronwall would've burned on the play and Philly would probably be on a 2 on 1 breakaway.
And what do you mean by talentless? you don't think Kronwall is talented? He's #2 defenseman in the league in goals btw. And he's more talented then most blueliners are with the stick and puck.
And you can't compare today's hockey with the "hockey" that was played in the 60's.
If that game was played today, the sport would have as many fans as the population of Andorra. And you're talking about Howe (as in Gordie i suppose?) he was one of the dirtiest players that have ever played this game. He used his stick more often than not to whack players all the time.
As Jaromir Jagr said about the Voracek hit, "It's hockey. If you take those hits away, it's basketball."
Hope we get to see him again this year. Regular Season Brenden hasn't been too impressive in recent seasons, especially when it comes to laying out the opposition as he did to poor Milan there.
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I've always felt that these aren't bodychecks- since the hit is delivered with the arms/fists.
I played with a guy in bantam and midget who would throw big hits that way, and I thought he should have been called for roughing every time. Always with the gloves to the chest/neck/cage delivering the force of the hit- not just the follow-through.
Those hits make me sick to my stomach. They are head shots.
The Boychuk hit is not at all like that. He makes contact with Vanek with his hands below his chest. On his follow through is where he brings up his hands and pushes Vanek. The is the way I see it, hope I am not wrong.
i don't care what anyone says, this was a clean playoff hit. unless you've played a high level of hockey you have no right comenting on the speed of the game especially in those split second situations.
