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Assume Edmonton finishes second to last. Since the Oilers have had top picks for years now, do you believe Edmonton would be willing to dangle that second overall pick for a nice package? I know the Rangers desperately need offensive talent. Grigorenko or Yakupov would help big time in a line up filled with grinders.
What do you Oilers fans want for that pick?
Thats exactly what we are not interested in.
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Originally Posted by KingWantsCup
Well, here goes...
To
Oilers 2012 1st round pick
To
Dan Girardi
Straight up. All-Star defensive defenseman for top offensive, likely NHL ready prospect.
No.
Too old, not enough upside.
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Originally Posted by canovin
To NYR:
EDM 2012 1st
Sam Gagner
Peckham
To EDM:
Del Zotto
McDonagh
Something like this would be interesting. Although if were not picking a center, i dont know how we can afford to trade Gagner.
And for me, im not to keen on trading for just one of those two guys, mostly out of ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Doug61
Wish Edmonton was in the market for a winger instead as I would offer Nash for that pick +. Maybe Edmonton would be interested in Tyutin + LA pick + 31st pick + Phoenix 2nd rounder? Regardless I wish Columbus could get #1 and #2 but it isn't going to happen. But I guess if the Oiler's offered Smid + 16ish pick +32nd pick + another 2nd rounder I would probably vote to decline that..
This is terrible.
How about whitney+3 2nds for your 1st?
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Originally Posted by TribalPhoenix
2nd Overall
LA 3rd Rounder 2012 (from Penner deal)
TOR 1st (5th-8th overall)
Luke Schenn
Leafs get Grigorenko with the pick and also get into the 3rd round, while Edmonton gets a young, physical defenceman and can still draft the likes of a Reinhardt/Trouba/Reilly/Pouliot with the pick - they make two solid acquisitions to move the rebuild forward.
Seems like a good deal for both sides.
No. Do not want to dilute talent any further.
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Originally Posted by bucks_oil
I could DEFINITELY see this happening. I don't think the Oil see Murray as that far away from Grigs. I'd bet a 2nd and an option to switch 1sts next year or the year after would do it.
To MTL: 2nd overall
To EDM: 3rd overall, 2nd in 2012, option to switch firsts in 2013 and 2014
That's the type of asset i want back for trading down. 2nd's are ok, but we are loaded with depth, we need upside, i'd take that risk.
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Originally Posted by deckercky
NYR:
EDM 1st 2012
EDM 3rd 2012
EDM:
Marc Staal
NYR 1st
I think something like that would be worthwhile for Edmonton, and moves the top defenceman New York is most willing to sacrifice.
Not bad, Marc Staal terrifies me now though with his concussion.
EDM is going to pick up Murray at 2, or else NYI will at 3.
EDM has tonnes of star forwards. They need that #1 D man.
Question is then does Edmonton value Murray higher than Dumba/Reilly/Trouba/Reinhardt/Pouliot + whatever they get for moving down, be it from Toronto, Long Island, etc....
Last edited by TribalPhoenix: 03-09-2012 at 12:41 PM.
What would it take for Montreal to switch the 3rd for the 2nd pick from the Oil?
You could draft 2 & 3 if you give us Subban + your 2nd rounder. That way we could trade that plus another asset to get a late first to draft PK's little brother.
Montreal likely won't select Grigs. They want Galchenyuk. I think they do this move just to guarantee first dibs. The Oil will likely still have their pick of Grigs or Murray.
Ok... sold!
To MTL: 2nd overall
To EDM: 3rd overall, 2nd in 2012, option to switch firsts in 2013 and 2014
Thanks for playing everyone! We'll draft at #3 one of Murray or Grigs depending on which side of the bed Stu & Tambo get up on. And we'll start cheering against MTL full force.
Now... please start the bidding, how far up can we move with #32 and #33 overall?
You could draft 2 & 3 if you give us Subban + your 2nd rounder. That way we could trade that plus another asset to get a late first to draft PK's little brother.
Montreal is better served to hold onto their picks and Subban. No matter who "falls" to 3rd (maybe 4th) Montreal will get a great forward.
I have no clue who EDM tries to pick at #2/3 but I would guess it's a top defense prospect only because they seem to be the safest pick to reach their potentials this year. But I would imagine that they keep their pick as well unless they recieve some kind of guarantee that they can still get the player they have targetted
Question is then does Edmonton value Murray higher than Dumba/Reilly/Trouba/Reinhardt/Pouliot + whatever they get for moving down, be it from Toronto, Long Island, etc....
I believe it's the difference between Adam Larsson and Hamilton/Murphy/Brodin etc.
M. Pysyk, D
BUF 1st Rd Pick (#8-#12)
NSH 1st Rd Pick (#20-#24)
To Buffalo:
EDM 1st Rd Pick (#2)
I think this would be a solid trade for both teams. Buffalo can get the #1 center it desperately needs with Grigorenko. Edmonton gets a top D prospect and hometown boy with Pysyk, a lottery pick which can be used on BPA (Reinhart, Trouba, Faksa, Gaunce, etc...) and another 1st rd pick in the early 20s.
Gagner was Junior teammates with Kane.. But I have no idea what kind of contract he is going to get. I would like to keep cap room open so that the Hawks can be significant players in the Suter sweepstakes.
Just throwing this out there, but everyone talks about what happens if Suter (NSH) leaves, but if he stays... Doesn't that make Ryan Ellis more available? I mean, he'd be at best, 3rd on their depth chart, and they have Blun as well.
Idk about you guys, but I would LOVE to see Eberle and Ellis reunited... "Can you believe it?!"
Just throwing this out there, but everyone talks about what happens if Suter (NSH) leaves, but if he stays... Doesn't that make Ryan Ellis more available? I mean, he'd be at best, 3rd on their depth chart, and they have Blun as well.
Idk about you guys, but I would LOVE to see Eberle and Ellis reunited... "Can you believe it?!"
Yes I would prefer Ellis over Subban. We already have Hall, we just need Tavares to have a WJC dream team.
Just throwing this out there, but everyone talks about what happens if Suter (NSH) leaves, but if he stays... Doesn't that make Ryan Ellis more available? I mean, he'd be at best, 3rd on their depth chart, and they have Blun as well.
Idk about you guys, but I would LOVE to see Eberle and Ellis reunited... "Can you believe it?!"
You wanna see him reunited with Ebs and don't mention the guy he won 2 memorial cups with?
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
Chris Tanev
1st rounder 2013
The Oiler's D will look much better with a proper goalie behind them.
The Canucks haven't had the ability to draft great young talent based on the success they achieved recent years.
Thoughts?
Schneider will look like a poorer goalie with the Oilers D in front of him. No thanks
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Originally Posted by leek
2nd Overall
LA 3rd Rounder 2012 (from Penner deal)
Ben Scrivens
Luke Schenn
Jake Gardiner
No need for Scrivens and Gardiner is extremely overrated by Leafs fans. Do not want more 2nd pairing defenseman. I think the Oilers have 4-6 of them now.
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Originally Posted by Ometheus
EDM is going to pick up Murray at 2, or else NYI will at 3.
EDM has tonnes of star forwards. They need that #1 D man.
EDM is going to draft the BPA. IF they are drafting 2nd overall....Grigorenko's name will be called.
The Oilers are at least two more years away from being contenders, why deal away another legit star young player? I could see them moving down a couple of spots and picking up one of the D that are available (if they don't nab the first overall) but that would be a reach imo.
If the Oilers were closer then I could see it but no way this soon.
Personally if im trading the pick im looking at two guys.
Couturier and OEL.
Don't think Philly would bite on Couturier as they know they've got a great future 2nd line C and while the #2 overall may have more potential than SC there's always a risk they won't reach their projected ceiling.
OEL would be a perfect addition but I doubt Phoenix moves him for a pick. He is definitely who I'd be targeting if trading the pick for a top prospect D though.
Any of them plus throw ins and tambi would give it a lot of thought. But tambi won't actively shop the pick. Offers will have to be put to him so it will take a very decent offer to even get him interested let alone willing to pull the tigger. He is very conservative.
You won't be getting P.K for your 2nd rd pick because if Grigorenko goes we'll just draft Alex Galchenyuk.Rather have P.K and Galchenyuk over Grigorenko alone.
Heck come our time to pick chances are both will be around and we will have to decide which of the two to pick.Either way NO P.K for the Oilers.
We have no need to trade any picks nor do we have any reason to try to trade down. We're getting a good forward without doing a thing.
You won't be getting P.K for your 2nd rd pick because if Grigorenko goes we'll just draft Alex Galchenyuk.Rather have P.K and Galchenyuk over Grigorenko alone.
Heck come out time to pick chances are both will be around and we will have to decide which of the two to pick.Either way NO P.K for the Oilers.
He didn't really say what the plus was though. Subban plus your 2nd for the Oilers 2012 1st and 3rd?
That would give you TWO of Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Murray/Forsberg/Dumba. That would be a fantastic way to kick start a rebuild and provide 2 cornerstones for your franchise to build on.
Not saying either team would do it, but something like that could benefit both teams if Montreal decided to rebuild.
M. Pysyk, D
BUF 1st Rd Pick (#8-#12)
NSH 1st Rd Pick (#20-#24)
To Buffalo:
EDM 1st Rd Pick (#2)
I think this would be a solid trade for both teams. Buffalo can get the #1 center it desperately needs with Grigorenko. Edmonton gets a top D prospect and hometown boy with Pysyk, a lottery pick which can be used on BPA (Reinhart, Trouba, Faksa, Gaunce, etc...) and another 1st rd pick in the early 20s.
Just throwing this out there, but everyone talks about what happens if Suter (NSH) leaves, but if he stays... Doesn't that make Ryan Ellis more available? I mean, he'd be at best, 3rd on their depth chart, and they have Blun as well.
Idk about you guys, but I would LOVE to see Eberle and Ellis reunited... "Can you believe it?!"
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
Chris Tanev
1st rounder 2013
The Oiler's D will look much better with a proper goalie behind them.
The Canucks haven't had the ability to draft great young talent based on the success they achieved recent years.
Thoughts?
The only nice piece here is Schneider. Value wise, this is awful for the Oilers. We give away one of our best dmen and a 2nd overall pick for a Goalie, cap dump, b-prospect and a late 1st next year. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by deckercky
NYR:
EDM 1st 2012
EDM 3rd 2012
EDM:
Marc Staal
NYR 1st
I think something like that would be worthwhile for Edmonton, and moves the top defenceman New York is most willing to sacrifice.
Would be tempting, doubt Tambi would bite though. Neither would I most likely. Needs to be overpayment to get the pick remember.
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Originally Posted by leek
2nd Overall
LA 3rd Rounder 2012 (from Penner deal)
Ben Scrivens
Luke Schenn
Jake Gardiner
Honestly, the d coming back seem solid enough, I dont think it would be enough to get Tambi to sell off the 2nd overall pick though. Change out Scrivens with Leafs 1st and that would be the overpayment it would take to get our pick. Leafs fans wont like it, but we dont need to trade the pick either.
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Originally Posted by WarriorofTime
Oilers 1st + A Prospect
for
Seabrook
Hawks sign Ryan Suter, draft Grigorenko.
Stanley Cup.
I dont think I would do the 1st straight up for Seabrook to be honest, nevermind the Oilers adding an A-propsect.
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Originally Posted by Lil Jim 1031
To Edmonton:
M. Pysyk, D
BUF 1st Rd Pick (#8-#12)
NSH 1st Rd Pick (#20-#24)
To Buffalo:
EDM 1st Rd Pick (#2)
I think this would be a solid trade for both teams. Buffalo can get the #1 center it desperately needs with Grigorenko. Edmonton gets a top D prospect and hometown boy with Pysyk, a lottery pick which can be used on BPA (Reinhart, Trouba, Faksa, Gaunce, etc...) and another 1st rd pick in the early 20s.
How's the value?
I really dont mind this one all that much. Seems like a decent enough offer. One of the better Ive seen for sure. I would think long and hard about this.
He didn't really say what the plus was though. Subban plus your 2nd for the Oilers 2012 1st and 3rd?
That would give you TWO of Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Murray/Forsberg/Dumba. That would be a fantastic way to kick start a rebuild and provide 2 cornerstones for your franchise to build on.
Not saying either team would do it, but something like that could benefit both teams if Montreal decided to rebuild.
First there's no reason to give up P.K just to draft one of Murray/Forsberg/Dumba.
We know what we have in P.K so why trade him away just to take a chance on another D-man like Murry or Dumba who might not turn out as good as P.K.
Now having a guarantee that Grigorenko and Galchenyuk would be there for us would be a big difference.The question is now ,would we rather have P.K and one of these two or would we rather have these two instead of P.K and one of them?
wow....the #2 pick is getting VERY overrated in this thread.... typical HF
Youve got to be kidding me.
Its hardly getting overrated. Thats the going price for a potential franchise player. Look at all the 2nd overalls from the past like 8 years. All but maybe JVR would garner whats being asked from Edmonton fans.
We dont have to trade it at all. If you want the pick, you gotta pay for it. If you dont like it, dont make an offer. We're not gonna trade it for scraps or players that dont fill needs on our roster.
wow....the #2 pick is getting VERY overrated in this thread.... typical HF
Have you ever looked at a list of #1 and #2 overall picks before? They're massively valuable because they produce elite + star level players routinely with a much lower chance of busting than the picks even just after them. Not to mention, teams control the players they draft for an extensive period, at a huge discount to what a similarly performing but older player would receive.
