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the only clearcut player id take over dion is toews. id consider duchene.
not quite the asset you make it out to be
Oh I never said I'd take the deal, but in terms of value, I think we wouldn't garner anything close to that if for some damn reason we wanted to trade him.
Phaneuf is a #2 AT BEST on a cup winning team. #2 do not cost 6.5 mil. I would rather have Beauchemin on my team and Beauchemin is making half as much.
I cant think of 1 cup winner since the Ducks that he would be a #1 on.
07: Pronger, Neids, Beauchemin*
08: Lidstrom, Rafalski
09: Gonchar
10: Keith, Seabrook*
11: Chara
LOL Beauchemin is better? Seabrook is better?
these guys played alongside top dmen, phaneuf does not have another elite guy beside him ...
these guys played alongside top dmen, phaneuf does not have another elite guy beside him ...
Gonchar, and Rafalski could be debated either way
Beauchemin also played more minutes in the cup run then 2 HHoF dmen because how great he was. Believe me, I was at every game. He was a major major part of how good the defense was. Outside the top 3, the defense was complete ****. But those 3 played over 30 a night every night during the playoffs. He isnt like Phaneuf where he plays alot of minutes bec ause there is noone better. He played more minutes the 2 of the 3 best dmen of the last decade. Wrap your head around that and explain to me why Phaneuf is better.
You can have Phaneuf and his 6.5 mil cap. I will gladly keep Beauchemin and his 3.5.
these guys played alongside top dmen, phaneuf does not have another elite guy beside him ...
Gonchar, and Rafalski could be debated either way
Seabrook and Rafalski were better than current Phanuef in their respective SC years. I don't think Gonchar is much better than Phanuef and Beauchemin is definately not better than Phanuef.
This is kinda why fans outside of Toronto don't think Phanuef is a #1D guy. Not beaking, just saying that usually #1D guys are dependable and make their d-partner better, whereas you need to find a #1D to play Phanuef with to cover him defensively.
Depends what you are looking for in return. He has certainly elevated his game this year, and probably his value has increased. Honestly you wouldn't want to trade him. Phaneuf game is pretty inconsistent for a guy his size, but he is quite the D man when he is on his game. If Gunnarsson becomes better next year they will continue to be a solid pairing, and maybe become a great one.
Value wise, like I said it depends where he's going. He could easily be traded for a lottery pick (IMO) but why would a lottery team want him? He would have to go to a team that needs a top pairing d man, but has a lot of cap to take on. The Leafs would probably get back a top 3 prospect, pick, and a salary.
If u guys dont want Phaneuf then stop posting here, were not gonna trade him for your garbage, leafs has no problem paying Phaneuf his 6.5 mill contract anyway.
Beauchemin also played more minutes in the cup run then 2 HHoF dmen because how great he was. Believe me, I was at every game. He was a major major part of how good the defense was. Outside the top 3, the defense was complete ****. But those 3 played over 30 a night every night during the playoffs. He isnt like Phaneuf where he plays alot of minutes bec ause there is noone better. He played more minutes the 2 of the 3 best dmen of the last decade. Wrap your head around that and explain to me why Phaneuf is better.
You can have Phaneuf and his 6.5 mil cap. I will gladly keep Beauchemin and his 3.5.
when Beauchemin was on the leafs he was absolutely terrible; Phaneuf and Beauchemin were paired together and one of them was clearly better.... and it wasnt Beauchemin aka boneheadman
Seabrook and Rafalski were better than current Phanuef in their respective SC years. I don't think Gonchar is much better than Phanuef and Beauchemin is definately not better than Phanuef.
This is kinda why fans outside of Toronto don't think Phanuef is a #1D guy. Not beaking, just saying that usually #1D guys are dependable and make their d-partner better, whereas you need to find a #1D to play Phanuef with to cover him defensively.
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i agree Seabrook and Rafalski were better in their SC years; but Seabrook currently isnt much better than Phaneuf, and imo he is not at all
i think Phaneuf is a 1B guy, or could be a 1A if he has another 1B alongside him
LOL that made me laugh too. For me Dion's value is pretty close to Gomez', not a whole lot. In fact you'd be lucky to unload that contract on someone.
He's just bad. I never watched the WCF very much when he played for Calgary so I just went ahead and believed all the hype surrounding him. But ya, he's a not very good. NHL quality d-man for sure, maybe top 2 on a crap team but most likely #4 on a good team and at 6.5 million immensely overpaid.
Dion isn't as good as Leafs fans make him out to be, but he isn't as bad as other people are saying.
He is wildly inconsistent for stretches of games. There will be a month where he looks like he should win a Norris, and then a month where he looks like he belongs in the ECHL.
His skating isn't particularly strong, but isn't the worst either. His shot is awesome, but he struggles to hit the net consistently. He lays massive checks but gets burned by speed to the outside too.
Phaneuf is only good from the goal line down. Can't cover people in front of the net and only hits the net on full moons. I would much rather have bolland.
Phaneuf is caught in no man's land. I can almost guarantee that no contender wants to add him right him now. He is a top pairing D man on a crappy team but this just magnifies his poor defensive player and allows the other team too high a chance to score.
He could get a good if not great offensive D Man on a really good team with a solid stay at home partner but he is way too expensive for anyone to want him in that role.
He's sort of an enigma in that regard. He's paid like a #1 D Man and plays that role on Toronto.. but Dion Phaneuf should never be your #1 Defenseman, it may lead to a few more goals scored each year but will be heavily offset by the amount of goals given up by his complete lack of hockey sense and positioning.
lol alright buddy ... much like Carter and Richards, eh?
Much like Versteeg, Beauchemin, Poni, Stajan, Antropov, Hagman, Stempniak, Blake, White, Stalberg, Toskala, Kubina, Stralman, Steen, Tlusty, Colaiacovo, McCabe, Wellwood, Gill, the list goes on.
The next crop of bums is the current Burke mess and captain Pylon is their perfect leader. People on your board have already started to say that Kessel sucks, is a one-dimensional afraid of contact floater, etc.
Much like Versteeg, Beauchemin, Poni, Stajan, Antropov, Hagman, Stempniak, Blake, White, Stalberg, Toskala, Kubina, Stralman, Steen, Tlusty, Colaiacovo, McCabe, Wellwood, Gill, the list goes on.
The next crop of bums is the current Burke mess and captain Pylon is their perfect leader. People on your board have already started to say that Kessel sucks, is a one-dimensional afraid of contact floater, etc.
I like this post because the cool part about it is that nothing here is even remotely related to Dion's value; just a bunch of 'lawlz Laffs sucks 1967 har har har I'm so witty." 5 stars would read again.
They were all praised at varying degrees in TO before being sent to trash. It is very related to my discussion with the great Phion Keneuf and what will happen to the Dion.
when Beauchemin was on the leafs he was absolutely terrible; Phaneuf and Beauchemin were paired together and one of them was clearly better.... and it wasnt Beauchemin aka boneheadman
This changes my argument how? He plays great for the Ducks. Always has. I said I would rather have Beauchemin. You can be happy with paying Phaneuf 6.5 mil.
he would CONSIDER duchene !!! 
