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03-10-2012, 03:10 PM
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I just saw that. Probably top 5. But they should not do that. They can get a large TV contract and make money off merch. Make the prices cheap and fill up Copps.
I see, cheap prices in Hamilton but not cheap in Markham.

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I see, cheap prices in Hamilton but not cheap in Markham.
In theory of course.

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I just saw that. Probably top 5. But they should not do that. They can get a large TV contract and make money off merch. Make the prices cheap and fill up Copps.
Fantastic idea but not realistic unfortunately.. Some dude ain't paying out big bucks to TO and BUF than not try to make it back

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Just curious does it HAVE to be Markham OR Hamilton? Can't it be Hamilton AND Markham. I think you can fit 3 teams in Southern Ontario

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Just curious does it HAVE to be Markham OR Hamilton? Can't it be Hamilton AND Markham. I think you can fit 3 teams in Southern Ontario
3 teams would be too much.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle2386012/

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Why? If you live in the GTA you won't drive to Hamilton for a game. Wasn't there a study a couple of years ago that said Canada could support 12 teams. It included 3 in the Golden Horseshoe and second teams in Montreal and Vancouver. I don't buy second teams in Vancouver and Montreal but I could see 3 in Southern Ontario.

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3 teams would be too much.
I think S.O. can support 3 teams. The Golden Horseshoe has a population of 8 million +; much, much higher than Alberta + Manitoba and about equal to Alberta + BC. And any of those two combinations have three teams.

Not necessarily advocating any of this; I think a lot of US markets and QC should get first dibs on relos / expansions.

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Why? If you live in the GTA you won't drive to Hamilton for a game. Wasn't there a study a couple of years ago that said Canada could support 12 teams. It included 3 in the Golden Horseshoe and second teams in Montreal and Vancouver. I don't buy second teams in Vancouver and Montreal but I could see 3 in Southern Ontario.
That study is overblown. Not everyone likes sports. Already almost 8000 people commute from Hamilton to Toronto, so if a team lands in Markham Hamilton is done and vice versa. Hamilton should get one because it is a center and Markham would encourage sprawl.

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I think S.O. can support 3 teams. The Golden Horseshoe has a population of 8 million +; much, much higher than Alberta + Manitoba and about equal to Alberta + BC. And any of those two combinations have three teams.

Not necessarily advocating any of this; I think a lot of US markets and QC should get first dibs on relos / expansions.
Me too. I want Hamilton and that would be it.

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A lot of business experts have said 3 teams in southern Ontario would work & be a huge success some have even said there would be teams in Hamilton & 2nd one in Toronto within the next 10 years . I don't see 3 NHL. teams in southern ontario happening I only see 2 & that 2nd team will be in Hamilton because Hamilton has the arena , access to 8 million people & the infrastructure to support an NHL. team not to mention it would cost 60% less than one in the GTA. also a city like Markham lacks the infrastructure to support an NHL. team .

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A lot of business experts have said 3 teams in southern Ontario would work & be a huge success some have even said there would be teams in Hamilton & 2nd one in Toronto within the next 10 years . I don't see 3 NHL. teams in southern ontario happening I only see 2 & that 2nd team will be in Hamilton because Hamilton has the arena , access to 8 million people & the infrastructure to support an NHL. team not to mention it would cost 60% less than one in the GTA. also a city like Markham lacks the infrastructure to support an NHL. team .
Markham has better infrastructure then Hamilton. For starters they have 3 go train stations and VIVA to our crappy 1 and the HSR(lol). Transit alone. Don't get me started on money. But that's why this location should be saved for an NFL team for Toronto instead.

Hamilton needs a team more. We need it more. if you argue for Hamilton then be honest. Like stop claiming people care about city rivalries in everyday life.

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03-29-2012, 09:13 PM
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Markham has better infrastructure then Hamilton. For starters they have 3 go train stations and VIVA to our crappy 1 and the HSR(lol). Transit alone. Don't get me started on money. But that's why this location should be saved for an NFL team for Toronto instead.

Hamilton needs a team more. We need it more. if you argue for Hamilton then be honest. Like stop claiming people care about city rivalries in everyday life.
OKAY I did not know that but I still think Hamilton is far better location for an NHL. team because of Hamilton centralized location that can serve the Niagara region , Southwestern Ontario & the rest of the golden horseshoe not to mention it would be cheaper & a lot less red tape to go though as for Markham would only serve the GTA. & would cost over a billion dollars to make it happen & lets be honest no NHL. team is worth that .

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Shifting this thread back to Markham, as opposed to anything west of Yonge:

Casino in Markham Centre vision: Councillor

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A major casino is coming to a new location somewhere in the Greater Toronto Area, the cash-strapped province announced this week.

Could that location be Markham?

According to Regional Councillor Jim Jones, a casino is already part of his multifaceted Markham Live concept for Markham Centre.
While his 65-page vision book isn’t an official town document, it includes venues such as the 20,000-seat NHL arena and the Markham International Sports Training Academy, both of which are now being undertaken.
http://www.yorkregion.com/article/13...ion-councillor

A casino would certainly drive traffic to the area, meaning the surrounding developments/businesses wouldn't be entirely dependent on a potential arena alone. Provided the town gets a cut, it could also form part of a funding model for the venue, as well as put pressure on upper levels of government to provide an all-day public transport link from Downtown Toronto (all-day service on the Stouffville GO Line).


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It sounds like great news for casual NHL fans in GTA who can't score tickets to Leafs games.

But it sucks for fans in Hamilton. If this goes ahead and they secure an NHL franchise, it basically spells the end for Hamilton's efforts for a team.

Well I grew up north of Newmarket so I know an NHL team in York Region would be fantastic and there's a ton of disgruntled Leafs fans I think have had enough.

I don't think it would kill Hamilton though.

Putting another team in Markham doesn't touch the issue of the Niagara region and Hamilton, as well as Oakville and Burlington, Kitchener and even London.

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OKAY I did not know that but I still think Hamilton is far better location for an NHL. team because of Hamilton centralized location that can serve the Niagara region , Southwestern Ontario & the rest of the golden horseshoe not to mention it would be cheaper & a lot less red tape to go though as for Markham would only serve the GTA. & would cost over a billion dollars to make it happen & lets be honest no NHL. team is worth that .
I agree. No NHL team is worth one Billion and if the Leafs tried that as a potential owner I would walk away from hockey.

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Shifting this thread back to Markham, as opposed to anything west of Yonge:

Casino in Markham Centre vision: Councillor



http://www.yorkregion.com/article/13...ion-councillor

A casino would certainly drive traffic to the area, meaning the surrounding developments/businesses wouldn't be entirely dependent on a potential arena alone. Provided the town gets a cut, it could also form part of a funding model for the venue, as well as put pressure on upper levels of government to provide an all-day public transport link from Downtown Toronto (all-day service on the Stouffville GO Line).
Great to Hear. This is how you build a city.

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Well I grew up north of Newmarket so I know an NHL team in York Region would be fantastic... I don't think it would kill Hamilton though.

Putting another team in Markham doesn't touch the issue of the Niagara region and Hamilton, as well as Oakville and Burlington, Kitchener and even London.
While I completely agree with your opinions & the feasibility of adding 2 teams to S.O., the ramifications for MLSE would be a difficult matter to broach in negotiating indemnifications. Competition for event & concert bookings, not to mention broadcasting infringements, flooding the market, giving up their monopoly especially with Markham, quite the hurdle to clear.

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Shifting this thread back to Markham, as opposed to anything west of Yonge:

Casino in Markham Centre vision: Councillor



http://www.yorkregion.com/article/13...ion-councillor

A casino would certainly drive traffic to the area, meaning the surrounding developments/businesses wouldn't be entirely dependent on a potential arena alone. Provided the town gets a cut, it could also form part of a funding model for the venue, as well as put pressure on upper levels of government to provide an all-day public transport link from Downtown Toronto (all-day service on the Stouffville GO Line).
The more I read about this, the more I think this is some pie-in-the-sky pipe-dream somebody has cooked up...

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The more I read about this, the more I think this is some pie-in-the-sky pipe-dream somebody has cooked up...
BC makes a fortune off of taxes and liscencing of Casinos, primary location or Ground Zero being Richmond & Coquitlam, with extremely high concentrations of Asian residents very similar to Markhams demographics in terms of ethnicity. With the Province struggling to deal with its deficit and based on BC's success, not so far fetched for a municipality like Markham to pursue. Culturally, gambling/gaming is a major preoccupation with a huge segment of the electorate and would be a popular move.

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BC makes a fortune off of taxes and liscencing of Casinos, primary location or Ground Zero being Richmond & Coquitlam, with extremely high concentrations of Asian residents very similar to Markhams demographics in terms of ethnicity. With the Province struggling to deal with its deficit and based on BC's success, not so far fetched for a municipality like Markham to pursue. Culturally, gambling/gaming is a major preoccupation with a huge segment of the electorate and would be a popular move.
Considering right now the Provincial Gov wants one in the GTA, I think its a good move. Evil Doctor is one of those Hamilton only guys. I just want another team here. I don't care if its Barrie I will drive from my house

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With the posibility of a casino being built in the GTA. that might squash any idea of a 2nd NHL. team in Toronto

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I don't care if its Barrie I will drive from my house
Markham makes sense for a facility of that nature... move on up into Barrie and you might have trouble with the existing Native Casino in Rama close to Orillia, though for just a franchise alone Barries got potential. One of the fastest growing cities in Canada.

Had Glendale welcomed rather than fought the Tohonos Bands land claims & Casino plans with their initial voluntary 10% sales tax remittals, right there the Coyotes are saved.

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The reason I am so against 2nd NHL. team in the GTA over Hamilton is because Hamilton has been fighting to get an NHL. team for over the past 25 years & it would be just in poor taste for Toronto (GTA.) come in & scoop an NHL. team away from Hamilton after all the blood sweat & tears went into the fight to try & get a team here in Hamilton .

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The reason I am so against 2nd NHL. team in the GTA over Hamilton is because Hamilton has been fighting to get an NHL. team for over the past 25 years & it would be just in poor taste for Toronto (GTA.) come in & scoop an NHL. team away from Hamilton after all the blood sweat & tears went into the fight to try & get a team here in Hamilton .
...You live in Hamilton?

Also "poor taste" in your context doesn't influence business in the slightest.

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