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Which is the Better Moment: The Miracle on Ice or the 1972 Summit Series?

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01-23-2008, 10:48 AM
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Well, I guess I've always been confused right off the bat as to why a magazine that is $3.99 in the U.S. is $6.99 in Canada and why things like a gallon a milk are a couple bucks more in Canada than in the U.S. I've never understood the whole thing as to why things have to be more expensive in Canada like that.

Do I feel that the U.S. is the only country that exists? I'll admit...absolutely...at times. I'm not saying all the time, but do I get that mentality sometimes? Absolutely! I mean, think about it. Did Neil Diamond ever sing a song called "Coming to Canada"? Were corporations like McDonald's and Nike founded in Canada? Aside from inventing hockey (although, I'll admit, that is a HUGE contribution) Canada just simply has NO historical value to me at all. What has Canada ever done for me? Is it Canada's troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for my freedom? No, unfortunately Canada could give a crap about my freedom as an American. Is it Canada's economy that allows me to have a job? Again, unfortunately the Canadian government could care less if I were sitting at home unemployed right now. So, I guess that's why it's so hard for me to respect something like the 1972 Summit Series. Because quite simply put, Paul Henderson is of no historic importance to me. None at all. His goal in the final game of that series means absolutely nothing to me. Why should it? Was it going to impact my life 8 years later when I was born? But was Mike Eruzione and Team USA's victory in Lake Placid, just 3 months before I was born, going to have an impact on my life? You darn right it was going to! I guess that's my biggest thing. I will admit, all but one of the times that I've been to Canada, everyone has been very kind and nice to me (with the exception of Vancouver, where everyone was just so mean to me). But aside from that, I guess I just can't bring myself to have respect for a country that hasn't done anything for me. And that's why I can't respect that goal that Henderson scored. It just simply means nothing to me. What did it do for my country and for my future? Nothing at all.

And again, like I mentioned, we (the U.S.) spit on Russia's dinner table when they invited us over for dinner, so they're never inviting us back over again. You guys (Canada) will ALWAYS be welcome ANYTIME until you spit on their dinner table. But until you do, you're golden.
You tell that to the widows and the kids of Canadian troops who will grow up without a father becuase he was lost fighting you're presidents war.

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01-23-2008, 11:05 AM
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Holy ****, how can you completely downplay the significance of 1980 while crowing about the historical significance of the Summit Series. What the hell is wrong with you.
what the hell is wrong with YOU!?! i think macman had it dead on, and brought up a great point. had the USA lost the game, would anyone have cared? would anyone be talking about it today? i don't think so...americans barely give a damn about hockey today, and it was worse back then.

now, had canada lost the SS...the soviets might as well have nuked our entire country, it would have been better than losing an 8 game series to them!!!! it would still haunt us today, a generation later.

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01-23-2008, 11:23 AM
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Holy ****, how can you completely downplay the significance of 1980 while crowing about the historical significance of the Summit Series. What the hell is wrong with you.
Nothing wrong with me but there's definitely something wrong with your eyes. Where did I completely downplay the signifigance of 1980? I was reacting to a guy who said the Summit Series doesn't compare to the MOI. Now THAT's ridiculous. Both events were great, but the Summit takes it for me for reasons I've already stated. Like I've said before, if you weren't there you can't possibly understand how big or meaningful it was to Canadians and Soviets of that time. It changed the game. Nuff said.

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01-23-2008, 09:49 PM
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what the hell is wrong with YOU!?! i think macman had it dead on, and brought up a great point. had the USA lost the game, would anyone have cared? would anyone be talking about it today? i don't think so...americans barely give a damn about hockey today, and it was worse back then.

now, had canada lost the SS...the soviets might as well have nuked our entire country, it would have been better than losing an 8 game series to them!!!! it would still haunt us today, a generation later.
You're comparing the expected to the unexpected result. What if Canada had thrashed the Soviets, every game ending in a blow out with Canada on top by at least 10 goals? It would have been as big a deal as Canada beating Mexico in an exhibition game.

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Both were great, after both teams constantly getting dominated all those years it was a good thing we refreshed some things to the Soviets.

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nope, US didnt do that, not at all.
It's much easier to extract bits and pieces of a post to suit your own ends than to read entire sentences, isn't it?

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01-27-2008, 07:19 AM
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What made it great was the vast difference betweent he two teams.

CCCP NT where all the players wore helmets, none of the Canadians did.
Small slick passing USSR team vs. a huge and often dirty Canadian team.
Brains vs. brawn.

The only bad thing about the series was the ridiculously dirty play that Team Canada displayed. It was borderline disgraceful.
That the Soviet team was considered clean is really a joke.

If you know the story behind the Phil Esposito choke sign from the penalty bench. Here it is. Phil related that every time he skated past defenceman "Rags" Ragulin he always received a spear to his ribs. So Espo said next time he'll get his stick up on him.

The Canadians employed the bodycheck in this series a good pressure defensive tactic used in NA. Unfortunately this was viewed as dirty by the european fans. As far as Clarke's chop on Kharlamov's ankle, it was inexcusable, but as a tactic used in all sports, if one is already injured, it becomes a vulnerable target. Its like the guy with the bandaged ankle in soccer(football), it invites more hits.

Sorry but that's the way it is in sports.

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01-27-2008, 07:22 AM
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"Preparedness"? LOL, nice word dude! I beleive "preparation" is the word you meant. No biggie though.
I think you meant "believe" and not "beleive" right.

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01-27-2008, 12:12 PM
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Maybe we should be comparing Bobby Fischer's chess win over the Russian champ in 1972 to the MOI, because that would be a better comparison. It was totally East vs West, Cold War foes in a game of wills, and it was an unexpected win for the American.

The Summit Series...well, enough about it.

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01-28-2008, 03:03 PM
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Miracle On Ice = Rocky 1

Summit Series = Rocky 4

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01-30-2008, 11:27 PM
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I think the moi is even more impressive as they held off the russian team for 10 minutes ahead by a goal, in game 5 of the summit series the canadians were up by a goal with a period to go and ended up losing by a goal even with them scoring 1. The russians were an offensivw machine.

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I just know some 30 year old child who was not born yet will come in here and disagree with me. Although The "Miracle on Ice" was played in Lake Placid, NY, it was not shown live on American television, because most Americans did not care about the American Olympic hockey program. No one was upset about it. They just didn't care.

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I just know some 30 year old child who was not born yet will come in here and disagree with me. Although The "Miracle on Ice" was played in Lake Placid, NY, it was not shown live on American television, because most Americans did not care about the American Olympic hockey program. No one was upset about it. They just didn't care.
Since you chose to bump a four-year-old thread just to take a shot at Americans, I'll fill in the gaps that you conveniently left out.

Nearly all Olympic events were tape delayed at the time (for American audiences). It had little to do with America's interest in the hockey program, and had very much to do with the fact that (1) programmers could get better ratings by airing events in prime time, and (2) without the 24-hour coverage provided nowadays, they could get away with it.

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As a Canadian I was captivated by both. They are both great moments but very different. Canada was supposed to win the 72 Summit in 8 straight. We all know what actually happened. 1980 was a massive and wonderful upset. Both the Canadian and US team showed wonderful heart and played the best hockey of their lives. Fans in both countries should be proud.

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Pretty much agree with cams post. Both were seminal moments. The Miracle on Ice equally stunning as by 1980 we were well aware of the Soviets pre-eminence. Team USA winning with a collection of college players a testament to the axiom that hockey truly is a "team" sport.

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I would strongly deny that the 72 Canadian team played "the best hockey of their lives".

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The most obvious and correct answer is: depends if you are Canadian or American

My answer is that it is clearly '72 because that was a series of the best players that could be iced for both sides. The '80 Olympics was just a tournament of non-NHLers.

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Miracle on Ice. It would be the equivalent of the NCAA champ knocking off the 80s Oilers in the Stanley Cup Final. Throw in the climate of the time (Cold War & the fact that the Soviets had just invaded Afghanistan) & you have the backdrop for a classic setting. '72 was undoubtedly a pivotal moment for Canadians, but the NHLers were favored to win. By '80 everyone knew the Soviet Red Army team was the big bully on the block & probably the most feared team in the world. They also beat a team of NHL All Stars earlier in the year.

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The most obvious and correct answer is: depends if you are Canadian or American

My answer is that it is clearly '72 because that was a series of the best players that could be iced for both sides. The '80 Olympics was just a tournament of non-NHLers.
You honestly think that the Soviet Red Army team did not possess NHL-level talent....

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You honestly think that the Soviet Red Army team did not possess NHL-level talent....
Of course they did, and everyone from Jim Craig on out played the games of their lives; brilliance behind Team USA's bench who got everything & more from his players while outcoaching the Soviets. Everything aligned and came together. That club likely wouldve beaten a collection of NHL All Stars on the night of the final, the shot in the arm they gave to the game in the States profound to put it mildly.

The Summit Series was an entirely different beast. Our "best" were barely up to the task and gutted out the series and win. The Soviets conditioning & positional play via constant cycle & puck movement alien to the Pro & Major Jr. game in Canada & the US. Team Canada won the Battle alright, but the Soviets won the War, changing forever how the game was played, and after wreaking havoc with the ego's of Canadian Hockey Supremacists in playing close games against not only NHL but so too WHA squads from 72-79, along comes the Little Engine that Could & did beat the Soviets at their own game by playing team first disciplined hockey.

As for the comment below?... Thanks for perpetuating the notion with our American Cousins that Canadians are all pretty much socialistic xenophobic commie sympathizers with that one. The only time I root against the US is when Canadas' playing them, racing against or whatever. If were eliminated in preliminary rounds of whatever, as is usually the case (as heard in stadiums & arenas WorldWide with "Go for the Bronze Canadian!") then I root for the States. Were all on this Continent together, brothers in arms, sport, culture, commerce... Better Red than Dead huh?.


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I'll never be able to choose an American hockey moment for greatness.

Hell, I had family that cheered for the Reds in 1980. The old saying went that a Red victory is still better than a Yank victory.

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You honestly think that the Soviet Red Army team did not possess NHL-level talent....
Were they in the NHL? Nope. That makes them non-NHLers. Much like you are a non-ESPNer, no matter how much more qualified you might be.

Look at Canada's roster in that tournament - that is why it makes it hard for me to take pre '98 Olympics seriously.

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Do I feel that the U.S. is the only country that exists? I'll admit...absolutely
Yep, youve made that pretty clear and perpetuated every stereotype that makes Americans generally disliked on an international stage.
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Is it Canada's troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for my freedom? No, unfortunately Canada could give a crap about my freedom as an American.
Well for starters Canadians are in Afghanistan, secondly you actually believe any of that is about freedom. I guess the American government spells freedom differently. In Canada its freedom, in the states its oil.

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Is it Canada's economy that allows me to have a job? Again, unfortunately the Canadian government could care less if I were sitting at home unemployed right now.
Yeah the Canadian government doesnt care youre right, but I question whether or not yours does either at all lol. And even if youre one of the lucky ones to have a job, have fun with those wages buddy

As for the question, Miracle was huge but it didnt mean as much to America as 72 did. Coast to coast Canadians cared about that series, the whole country was shut down basically. You expect me to believe people from Alabama cared that much about Miracle?

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