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03-10-2012, 09:21 PM
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Who's going to stick up for our new ducks?

We will be having new blood coming into the lineup next season. Who is going to ensure Schultz, Etem, Vatanen or Palmeiri or Holland next season will not be pushed around?

We thankfully had May, Moen, Parros etc to stick up for our Youngbloods when Perry and Penner and Getzie were young , but what will we do next season??

Parros has lost his physical touch and he never fights or plays as physical as he used to be etc. I'm just worried about our youngins next season.

Anyone have speculation or ideas of what Murray and Boudreau will do?

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Marchant? Lol, did you mean Brad May?

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Marchant? Lol, did you mean Brad May?
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Maroon isn't afraid to drop them. It's still to be seen if he has a spot on next years roster of course.

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Yeah Imma gonna go all Syracuse. We need an enforcer.

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Sign Brian McGrattan, Zenon Konopka, and Shawn Thornton. Parros still fights, he only has 9 this year in 42 games due to lack of opponents and being a healthy scratch at bad times. I'd like him back, but I completely understand why he won't br brought back. Indeed, he doesn't hit anymore, but he does fight, 9 is significant for heavyweights this year beacause of the off-season deaths of enforcers. Hopefully they make a comeback next year. Also, the Pacific division is terrible for enforcers this year, other than Westgarth, Parros, and Biznasty (when he feels like fighting) are in the division. Eric Godard, a true nuclear warhead has a 1-way with Dallas for next year so he may very well be up.

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Move up Bodie, Jacques and Maroon, resign Bell, Brookbank, Smaby and Parros, sign Thornton, Mayers, Moen, Boll, Prust, Konopka, Dorsett, McLeod and McGrattan. Trade picks and prospects for Brown and whatever Boston asks for Lucic (excluding RPG, Beauchemin and Sbisa). Trade/buyout/send down the rest.

Lineup next season:

Lucic-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Ryan-Mayers
Prust-Konopka-Brown
Maroon-Boll-McGrattan
Bodie,Beleskey

Beauchemin-Sbisa
Smaby-Brookbank
Thornton-Dorsett
McLeod

Hiller
Jacques

Stache-expert: Parros (everyone will have an identical porn mustache).

Plan is to run over the opposing goalie during the first minutes and then beat anyone who has a problem with it. Constantly look for fights and hits after the whistle. Also players should yap in front of opposing team's bench. If they get a powerplay, pull the goalie when there's only few seconds left and bring in a fighter and put him outside of opposing team's penalty box and fight him if he's stupid enough to come out when his penalty ends. This leads to a longer powerplay or whistle if the player actually comes out. They might have to get more fighters since quite many could get banned for few games.

Ok seriously, those players who I listed to be signed, are available and the Ducks should go after one or two. Moen and McGrattan/Thornton would be good.

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Was anyone else not incredibly pissed off that nobody did anything to Robidas after the Perry board? I wonder if the players just don't want to do anything or if it's a coaching thing.

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Was anyone else not incredibly pissed off that nobody did anything to Robidas after the Perry board? I wonder if the players just don't want to do anything or if it's a coaching thing.
Name me one person on the ice that would do anything about it? Our team has turned into one of the softest teams in the league. It seems like the only guys that ever stand up to anyone are Beauchemin, Brookbank and sometimes Beleskey. Sorry but I don't want Beauchemin fighting and we can't have our Dman always fighting and making other guys have to be double shifted. So that leaves Beleskey and once every 10 games Parros. If I was any other team in the league I would be taking runs and Perry, Saku, Teemu and the kids all game long. And it would work.
This team needs to go back to the 06-07 years with balance of offensive scoring and a rougher style of play.
When I take over as GM (or anyone else BESIDES Bob Murray) this offseason I am doing the following...

-Sign McGratton, Tootoo and Konopka. Konopka along with DSP and Tootoo can recreate the shutdown 3rd line we had in 06. And that is one line that opposing teams are going to be keeping their heads up for. You also fill the 4th line with McGratton, Maroon and either Beleskey, Bell or a league minimum UFA.

-Possibly sign Penner if he is willing to sign for 1 year and under $3.5 million. If not then hangup the phone and talk to someone else.

-Look at Parise. If he'd come for around $6 million then you'd have to consider it. If not then move on.

-Convince Teemu and Saku to come back. Sign a UFA to play with them or try and get Nail in the draft (probably not worth what you'd give up for him.) But it would be great way for him to start off his career with 2 HOF'ers.

-Trade Cogs. This was honestly a dumb trade for the Ducks at the time of the deal and I still think that way. He deson't fit our style at all and after a full season of watching him I think we should trade him for a draft pick.

-Trade Toni Lydman and push REALLY hard for Suter. Offer him 7 years $50 million. Yes it is a lot of years and a lot of $. But that is what you have to do to keep people coming to California.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Dustin Penner ($3.500m)
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Saku Koivu ($2.000m) / Teemu Selanne ($3.500m)
Devante Smith-Pelly ($0.870m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m) / Jordan Tootoo ($1.400m)
Patrick Maroon ($0.600m) / Brian McGratton ($0.600m) / Matt Beleskey ($0.737m)
/ Nick Bonino ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Luca Sbisa ($2.175m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.700m) / Justin Schultz ($1.100m)
/ Nate Guenin ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers ($0.612m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,470,000; BONUSES: $140,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $7,830,000

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Move up Bodie, Jacques and Maroon, resign Bell, Brookbank, Smaby and Parros, sign Thornton, Mayers, Moen, Boll, Prust, Konopka, Dorsett, McLeod and McGrattan. Trade picks and prospects for Brown and whatever Boston asks for Lucic (excluding RPG, Beauchemin and Sbisa). Trade/buyout/send down the rest.

Lineup next season:

Lucic-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Ryan-Mayers
Prust-Konopka-Brown
Maroon-Boll-McGrattan
Bodie,Beleskey

Beauchemin-Sbisa
Smaby-Brookbank
Thornton-Dorsett
McLeod

Hiller
Jacques

Stache-expert: Parros (everyone will have an identical porn mustache).

Plan is to run over the opposing goalie during the first minutes and then beat anyone who has a problem with it. Constantly look for fights and hits after the whistle. Also players should yap in front of opposing team's bench. If they get a powerplay, pull the goalie when there's only few seconds left and bring in a fighter and put him outside of opposing team's penalty box and fight him if he's stupid enough to come out when his penalty ends. This leads to a longer powerplay or whistle if the player actually comes out. They might have to get more fighters since quite many could get banned for few games.

Ok seriously, those players who I listed to be signed, are available and the Ducks should go after one or two. Moen and McGrattan/Thornton would be good.
I like that team!

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03-11-2012, 01:10 PM
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I haven't seen him show any signs of toughness at all. Yes, he can hit and plays physical, but to this point, that's about it.

I agree, we are getting away from the toughness that this team used to be built around (which is one reason I got into the Ducks), but with BB at the helm and his type of system, I don't think we'll see that type of team.

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Name me one person on the ice that would do anything about it? Our team has turned into one of the softest teams in the league. It seems like the only guys that ever stand up to anyone are Beauchemin, Brookbank and sometimes Beleskey. Sorry but I don't want Beauchemin fighting and we can't have our Dman always fighting and making other guys have to be double shifted. So that leaves Beleskey and once every 10 games Parros. If I was any other team in the league I would be taking runs and Perry, Saku, Teemu and the kids all game long. And it would work.
This team needs to go back to the 06-07 years with balance of offensive scoring and a rougher style of play.
When I take over as GM (or anyone else BESIDES Bob Murray) this offseason I am doing the following...

-Sign McGratton, Tootoo and Konopka. Konopka along with DSP and Tootoo can recreate the shutdown 3rd line we had in 06. And that is one line that opposing teams are going to be keeping their heads up for. You also fill the 4th line with McGratton, Maroon and either Beleskey, Bell or a league minimum UFA.

-Possibly sign Penner if he is willing to sign for 1 year and under $3.5 million. If not then hangup the phone and talk to someone else.

-Look at Parise. If he'd come for around $6 million then you'd have to consider it. If not then move on.

-Convince Teemu and Saku to come back. Sign a UFA to play with them or try and get Nail in the draft (probably not worth what you'd give up for him.) But it would be great way for him to start off his career with 2 HOF'ers.

-Trade Cogs. This was honestly a dumb trade for the Ducks at the time of the deal and I still think that way. He deson't fit our style at all and after a full season of watching him I think we should trade him for a draft pick.

-Trade Toni Lydman and push REALLY hard for Suter. Offer him 7 years $50 million. Yes it is a lot of years and a lot of $. But that is what you have to do to keep people coming to California.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Dustin Penner ($3.500m)
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Saku Koivu ($2.000m) / Teemu Selanne ($3.500m)
Devante Smith-Pelly ($0.870m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m) / Jordan Tootoo ($1.400m)
Patrick Maroon ($0.600m) / Brian McGratton ($0.600m) / Matt Beleskey ($0.737m)
/ Nick Bonino ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Luca Sbisa ($2.175m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.700m) / Justin Schultz ($1.100m)
/ Nate Guenin ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers ($0.612m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,470,000; BONUSES: $140,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $7,830,000
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I like that team!
I don't! That team does not call up one player from our farm system. He also doesn't call up Schultz who will likely be already in the lineup by seasons end so he doesn't walk, and we burn a year off ELC in order to avoid him leaving.

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I don't! That team does not call up one player from our farm system. He also doesn't call up Schultz who will likely be already in the lineup by seasons end so he doesn't walk, and we burn a year off ELC in order to avoid him leaving.

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I haven't seen him show any signs of toughness at all. Yes, he can hit and plays physical, but to this point, that's about it.

I agree, we are getting away from the toughness that this team used to be built around (which is one reason I got into the Ducks), but with BB at the helm and his type of system, I don't think we'll see that type of team.
Which scares the crap outta me cause we won a cup with a kid line and bad ass toughness to make sure they can use their skill at will without complications. So if we do somehow pull up Galchenyuk and Etem at the draft and Schultz next season who is gonna protect them?

I'm not too worried about Schultz cause I know Beauch won't let him get pushed around. But when's he's not on the ice????

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I don't! That team does not call up one player from our farm system. He also doesn't call up Schultz who will likely be already in the lineup by seasons end so he doesn't walk, and we burn a year off ELC in order to avoid him leaving.
Schultz can come if he can fight.

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I don't! That team does not call up one player from our farm system. He also doesn't call up Schultz who will likely be already in the lineup by seasons end so he doesn't walk, and we burn a year off ELC in order to avoid him leaving.

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Name me one person on the ice that would do anything about it? Our team has turned into one of the softest teams in the league. It seems like the only guys that ever stand up to anyone are Beauchemin, Brookbank and sometimes Beleskey. Sorry but I don't want Beauchemin fighting and we can't have our Dman always fighting and making other guys have to be double shifted. So that leaves Beleskey and once every 10 games Parros. If I was any other team in the league I would be taking runs and Perry, Saku, Teemu and the kids all game long. And it would work.
This team needs to go back to the 06-07 years with balance of offensive scoring and a rougher style of play.
When I take over as GM (or anyone else BESIDES Bob Murray) this offseason I am doing the following...

-Sign McGratton, Tootoo and Konopka. Konopka along with DSP and Tootoo can recreate the shutdown 3rd line we had in 06. And that is one line that opposing teams are going to be keeping their heads up for. You also fill the 4th line with McGratton, Maroon and either Beleskey, Bell or a league minimum UFA.

-Possibly sign Penner if he is willing to sign for 1 year and under $3.5 million. If not then hangup the phone and talk to someone else.

-Look at Parise. If he'd come for around $6 million then you'd have to consider it. If not then move on.

-Convince Teemu and Saku to come back. Sign a UFA to play with them or try and get Nail in the draft (probably not worth what you'd give up for him.) But it would be great way for him to start off his career with 2 HOF'ers.

-Trade Cogs. This was honestly a dumb trade for the Ducks at the time of the deal and I still think that way. He deson't fit our style at all and after a full season of watching him I think we should trade him for a draft pick.

-Trade Toni Lydman and push REALLY hard for Suter. Offer him 7 years $50 million. Yes it is a lot of years and a lot of $. But that is what you have to do to keep people coming to California.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Dustin Penner ($3.500m)
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Saku Koivu ($2.000m) / Teemu Selanne ($3.500m)
Devante Smith-Pelly ($0.870m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m) / Jordan Tootoo ($1.400m)
Patrick Maroon ($0.600m) / Brian McGratton ($0.600m) / Matt Beleskey ($0.737m)
/ Nick Bonino ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Luca Sbisa ($2.175m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.700m) / Justin Schultz ($1.100m)
/ Nate Guenin ($0.525m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers ($0.612m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,470,000; BONUSES: $140,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $7,830,000
not to piss on the parade but.. what happens when getzlaf/perry/fowler all are due for raises? not to mention if koivu and selanne DO come back.. then we need to fill up the 2nd line as well.. might as well not have them come back.. i'd be ok if saku comes back but teemu doesn't seem like a top-6 player right now..
we cant have ALL their contracts coming off the books in 1 year.. i don't trust BM enough for that

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Do you guys really see the club letting Parros go? Am I missing something? We all know he doesn't really do much of anything offensively but he hits everything that moves when he's out there. He fights, and he'll fight anyone but the only problem is he picks his spots too much. He's a figure in the Duck's social marketing scheme and does a lot of work in the community. "Normal" fans love him, his jerseys sell and that isn't even including his clothing line, not sure if that's been successful or not (stache gear?). I don't see the risk in signing him as long as it's sub 1M for 3 or so years. He's still useful to the team, playing limited minuted or in the press box, whatever, he'll still be proactive with the fan base.
(This coming from one of his least favorite fans by the way.)

At any rate, the Ducks are pretty much guaranteed to have a player on each D-pairing more than willing to drop the mitts if they need to (Beauch, Sbisa, Brookbank). That's almost every shift excluding special teams. Then you have Beleskey who has held his own and more in his fights this season. And maybe Parros or another free agent heavyweight.

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-Possibly sign Penner if he is willing to sign for 1 year and under $3.5 million. If not then hangup the phone and talk to someone else.
But, what...you'd listen if he asked for $3.49M? And you're trying to address scoring and toughness? This is incredible.

Dude, if Bobby Ryan ate Jason Blake, he'd be Dustin Penner. A fatter, more lethargic version of himself.

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Do you guys really see the club letting Parros go? Am I missing something? We all know he doesn't really do much of anything offensively but he hits everything that moves when he's out there. He fights, and he'll fight anyone but the only problem is he picks his spots too much. He's a figure in the Duck's social marketing scheme and does a lot of work in the community. "Normal" fans love him, his jerseys sell and that isn't even including his clothing line, not sure if that's been successful or not (stache gear?). I don't see the risk in signing him as long as it's sub 1M for 3 or so years. He's still useful to the team, playing limited minuted or in the press box, whatever, he'll still be proactive with the fan base.
(This coming from one of his least favorite fans by the way.)

At any rate, the Ducks are pretty much guaranteed to have a player on each D-pairing more than willing to drop the mitts if they need to (Beauch, Sbisa, Brookbank). That's almost every shift excluding special teams. Then you have Beleskey who has held his own and more in his fights this season. And maybe Parros or another free agent heavyweight.
I think you're correct about Parros being a profit center for the Ducks, but he's a bit of an anchor on the 4th line, hasn't been hitting recently, hasn't been fighting for 10-15 game stretches, and while he's not a bad 4th liner he sure isn't a great 4th liner either. With a 70M cap I guess he can get 13th forward status but I'd really prefer it if we had either a functional player or a functional enforcer in his spot.

And folks, if you want a hard hitting 3rd/4th line free agent, make sure the salary you pencil them in at is 30-40% higher than what they've been making elsewhere. That's the only way the OC taxes/cost of living is going to be overlooked. That stuff matters to the guys on low salaries and potentially shorter careers.

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I think you're correct about Parros being a profit center for the Ducks, but he's a bit of an anchor on the 4th line, hasn't been hitting recently, hasn't been fighting for 10-15 game stretches, and while he's not a bad 4th liner he sure isn't a great 4th liner either. With a 70M cap I guess he can get 13th forward status but I'd really prefer it if we had either a functional player or a functional enforcer in his spot.
You're right, he's been a total non factor on the ice this season. It might have been the retina tear he suffered early on that lead to less fighting but I don't want to speculate, if he can't do his job he shouldn't be taking a spot on the ice from someone who can.

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Current Lineup:
Hagman - Getzlaf - Perry
Ryan - Koivu - Selanne
Blake - Cogliano - DSP
Beleskey - Pelley - Parros

Beauchemin - Fowler
Sbisa - Visnovsky
Lydman - Brookbank

Hiller
Ellis

Don't re-sign: Hagman, Blake, Parros, Ellis, Pelley
Retire: Selanne

New lineup:
x - Getlzaf - Perry
Ryan - Koivu - x
x - Cogliano - DSP
Beleskey - x - x

Trade:
Ryan+Cogliano+2nd
for
Yakupov

Trade:
Lydman
for
some pick

Sign: Parise(6.3), Suter(7.2), Moen(1.5), Campbell(1.7), Prust(1.5), Konopka(.800), Asham(.800)

New lineup:

Etem(.9) - Getzlaf(6.125) - Perry(4.875)
Parise(6.3) - Holland(.900)/Koivu(2.0) - Yakupov(1.0)
Prust(1.5) - Campbell(1.7) - DSP(.760)
Moen(1.5) - Konopka(.800) - Asham(.800)
Beleskey(.850)

Total for forwards: 28.01 w/Hollland 29.11 w/Koivu

Beauchemin(3.5) - Fowler(.900)
Suter(7.2) - Sbisa(2.0)
Visnovsky(3.0) - Schultz(.900)
Brookbank(.800)

Total for defense: 18.3

Hiller(4.5)
JDD(.625)

Total for goalies: 10.75

Salaries: 57.06 (w/ Holland), 58.16 (w/ Koivu)

Sounds good

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