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03-11-2012, 09:26 AM
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Only a few months ago we were called crazy for signing Cole to a $4.5M cap hit contract... its looking like a sweet, sweet contract now however.

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03-11-2012, 09:28 AM
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What will this do to the floor?? 50M? The teams that don't draw fans will be in bad shape...

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03-11-2012, 10:04 AM
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I think with any new CBA there will be changes to the cap and the floor, as well as a rollback in salaries, and most significantly, and reduction in the players cut of NHL related revenue.

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03-11-2012, 10:11 AM
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Just mentioned on CBC hotstove.

If it goes up to 69 or 72mill, Montreal will have no problem re-signing Price, Subban, and Eller.

It could also be a big offseason adjustment allowing us to look at more options this offseason. Especially if in the new CBA we get the one player buy out to not could against the cap.(Gomez)
If the cap goes up a lot, then the market for signing players will become more expensive.

This does not particularly benefit the Habs, who have important players to sign this year.

People who are rubbing their hands with glee at the cap space we might have available will soon be complaining that we overpaid for Price, Subban, Eller, Emelin and Moen, plus any UFAs signed to replace Gill, Cammy, AKost and possibly Gomez, comparing the new expensive contracts to those already signed when the cap was much lower.

The following players are under contract for next year:
Gomez
Markov
Plekanec
Gionta
Kaberle
Cole
Gorges
Bourque
Pacioretty
Leblanc
Desharnais
Weber
Budaj

That is 13 guys, so we need to sign about 12 more NHL calibre players, including first callups. The cap space will go fast.

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03-11-2012, 10:16 AM
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Aside from Suter and Parise, there is nothing in this years UFA pool.

Might just mean there are more takers for Gomez.
Semin would be a guy I'd go after but on a shoter term contract(3-4 years instead of 5-6). I think he could explode with a fresh start. This guy was a 79 point(in 62 games) and 84 point(in 73 games) guy in Washington.

5.5 to max of 6.33 x 3 years. Make the deal front loaded(4 mil signing bonus 6 mil 6 mil 4 mil) so you can easily trade him if things go sour.

Lots of lesser players that could be solid bargains...Jackman Penner(another buy low candidate, 2 years at 5 mil total) Boyes(1 year at 1.5 mil) Stuart(2-3 years) Stoll(can play center or wing) Jagr(1 year) Hejduk(1 year) Allen(2-3 years) Salvador(1-2 years) Hudler Pahlsson(to help cut Plekanec's tough matchups) Gaustad Grossman Stempniak McClement Parenteau Moss Burish

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03-11-2012, 10:45 AM
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If there is a chance for every team to buy 1 player out when the new CBA is signed, obviously Gomez is our guy...what will Tampa do? VL What about the Nucks, Luongo?

Then both come play with the Habs for 1.0M each???


Just for conversation...

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03-11-2012, 11:04 AM
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If there is a chance for every team to buy 1 player out when the new CBA is signed, obviously Gomez is our guy...what will Tampa do? VL What about the Nucks, Luongo?

Then both come play with the Habs for 1.0M each???


Just for conversation...
I doubt TB has the money to buy out Vinny. They would be better off trying to work out a trade, I'm sure there are teams who would be interested, including the habs. It'd be difficult, but not impossible for them. But paying him 2/3 of his contract and still have to upgrade their lineup is quite expensive.

The interesting team would be Philly. Bryzgalov is definitely a contract you want to get rid of... but, it might be wiser to buy out Pronger, because of the 35+ status of his.

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03-11-2012, 11:09 AM
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nvm.

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03-11-2012, 11:23 AM
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I doubt TB has the money to buy out Vinny. They would be better off trying to work out a trade, I'm sure there are teams who would be interested, including the habs. It'd be difficult, but not impossible for them. But paying him 2/3 of his contract and still have to upgrade their lineup is quite expensive.

The interesting team would be Philly. Bryzgalov is definitely a contract you want to get rid of... but, it might be wiser to buy out Pronger, because of the 35+ status of his.
You can't buy out Pronger because he is on a 35+. The cap hit would only drop by 100k.

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03-11-2012, 11:27 AM
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You can't buy out Pronger because he is on a 35+. The cap hit would only drop by 100k.
We were talking about "an amnesty clause" for the new CBA...

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03-11-2012, 11:28 AM
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Who cares. If cap goes down 20%, all signed contracts will be reduced by 20%. No impact on spending power.
No guarantees that they would be reduced.

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We were talking about "an amnesty clause" for the new CBA...
Sorry, missed that part.

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No guarantees that they would be reduced.
I think it's salaries, hence the escrow.

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03-11-2012, 12:18 PM
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No guarantees that they would be reduced.
Of course they would, its pure simple math logic.

So many teams spending up to the cap right now. If you reduce the cap, there will a ton of teams over and unable to meet and respect the limit, and those teams are all the best most popular teams in the NHL. So they will force them to trade good expensive players? Don't think so.

Honestly, it's a no brainer. They will negociate the % of total revenues going to the players down. The % reduction will be applied to the cap and all actual contracts like they modified the contracts when the CBA was installed in 2005.

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03-11-2012, 12:30 PM
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Of course they would, its pure simple math logic.

So many teams spending up to the cap right now. If you reduce the cap, there will a ton of teams over and unable to meet and respect the limit, and those teams are all the best most popular teams in the NHL. So they will force them to trade good expensive players? Don't think so.

Honestly, it's a no brainer. They will negociate the % of total revenues going to the players down. The % reduction will be applied to the cap and all actual contracts like they modified the contracts when the CBA was installed in 2005.
If they don't they'll probably have some liberal ammnesty buyout rules.

Either way Montreal should come out fine on this, either by the percentage drop and increased revenue opening space or by buying out Gomez and Kaberle and then having lots of breathing room.

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03-11-2012, 12:38 PM
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Oh man if only we could fetch Parise.... We do have alot of great american players and he does like Montreal so we never know!

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03-11-2012, 12:49 PM
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This is why fans taking salaries so seriously is ridiculous.

The cap essentially means jack ****.

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03-11-2012, 02:51 PM
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If the cap goes up this much, there will be lots of stupid money thrown at guys who don't deserve it. Habs need to avoid repeating the mistake Gainey made the last time we had this much cap room available. Unless it is for bonafide top players in their prime, like Suter or Parise, stay away from the market this year, even if there is 10M or more unused space. I prefer signing our own guys that have earned it, letting the youngsters play to see what we actually have in them before sending them away for nothing, and leaving the door open to acquire salary from teams that get into trouble while forcing them to include high draft picks or top prospects for helping them out of their mess. With the contract length most UFA's are getting, teams will load up this year, and then have their hands tied for the future crop of UFA's, that is when the time wil be right to spend to the cap, when available money and demand are low.
If the cap goes up that much, there will not be many teams, if any, who will be in trouble and having to unload salary, and furthermore no one says that any REALLLLLY bad contracts available cheap would not be worse than the so-called "overpayment" we would make on the actual July 1st market.

I mean, Gomez might be available August 1st, but would anyone want him other than a team not able to spend to the floor (and probably not even one of those)?

Guys and girls, much as many of you do not like it, there is NO CHOICE for teams who want to spend to near the cap, but to participate in the marketplace and end up with a mix of over- and under-paid players, in hindsight.

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03-11-2012, 02:55 PM
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Honestly, it's a no brainer. They will negociate the % of total revenues going to the players down. The % reduction will be applied to the cap and all actual contracts like they modified the contracts when the CBA was installed in 2005.
I think fans are in for quite a jolt. I do not believe that the economics of the NHL's situation will lead to the result so many are expecting, which is a significant drop in revenue share going to the players.

I expect the new CBA to be fought mainly over the circumvention and accommodation issues, maybe franchise player too, crap that will probably make things MORE complicated rather than less, when the day is done.

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03-11-2012, 03:22 PM
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Of course they would, its pure simple math logic.

So many teams spending up to the cap right now. If you reduce the cap, there will a ton of teams over and unable to meet and respect the limit, and those teams are all the best most popular teams in the NHL. So they will force them to trade good expensive players? Don't think so.

Honestly, it's a no brainer. They will negociate the % of total revenues going to the players down. The % reduction will be applied to the cap and all actual contracts like they modified the contracts when the CBA was installed in 2005.
Why would the union accept that?

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I don't think Parise is going anywhere

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03-11-2012, 07:14 PM
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Time for a new lock out or strike if the cap goes that high.

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03-11-2012, 08:55 PM
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Why would the union accept that?
Because the actual CBA does not work anymore. The revenues keep going up and the cap floor is getting too high that many teams are struggling financially. The spread between the floor and the ceiling is getting bigger which creates disparity in the league. Everything they wanted to eliminate before the strike.

Changes are coming, owners have no choice.

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03-11-2012, 09:00 PM
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Because the actual CBA does not work anymore. The revenues keep going up and the cap floor is getting too high that many teams are struggling financially. The spread between the floor and the ceiling is getting bigger which creates disparity in the league. Everything they wanted to eliminate before the strike.

Changes are coming, owners have no choice.
The only thing the owners need to have happen is reduce the amount the lesser revenue teams are required to spend each year. Everything else is a desire not an imperative.

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03-11-2012, 11:37 PM
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The reported purchase price was $170 million, with $60 million going to the NHL as a relocation fee.
Winnipeg jets purchase.

A team is worth 110 million, the cap is 72 million. Dollar goes down=league fails.

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