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02-27-2012, 01:48 PM
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with all the C's you got, any chance Kopitar is available?
Not until the off season and that depends on how the Kings finish this season. If Kopitar and Brown underperform down the stretch and then in the playoffs, I think they are both vulnerable to being traded if the right deal presents itself.

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Not until the off season and that depends on how the Kings finish this season. If Kopitar and Brown underperform down the stretch and then in the playoffs, I think they are both vulnerable to being traded if the right deal presents itself.
Yep, pretty much.

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02-27-2012, 03:14 PM
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Kings get no help on the bottom six?

Turrable. Just turrable.

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02-27-2012, 03:32 PM
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Kings get no help on the bottom six?

Turrable. Just turrable.
What do you mean? They sent Loktionov to Manchester and scratched Richardson. That was a ton of help to the bottom 6...

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02-27-2012, 05:53 PM
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What do you mean? They sent Loktionov to Manchester and scratched Richardson. That was a ton of help to the bottom 6...
I would laugh if it wasn't so true. I don't like that Richardson has one more year at over a mil for cap hit

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02-27-2012, 06:28 PM
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Kings get no help on the bottom six?

Turrable. Just turrable.
With Carter Stoll is cemented in the bottom 6. Should help out there.

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02-27-2012, 07:19 PM
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I could see the Kings trading some players to get back into the draft this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Kings move Bernier on draft day to Tampa Bay for a couple of early picks. Tampa Bay is currently in possession of two 1st round picks (TB & DET) and four 2nd round picks (PHI, TB, FLA, MIN).

I could picture the Kings acquiring a 1st and 2nd/top prospect for Bernier. They could then look to free agency to sign a backup in case they feel that Zatkoff needs more time in the minors. Other options that the Kings could look at to trade to acquire more draft picks in the early rounds: Oscar Moller, Bud Holloway, Thomas Hickey, Andrew Campbell, etc.

If teams are dissatisfied with what is available on draft day and want a prospect or young player who is closer to the NHL, it is very feasible to expect them to move a decent pick to acquire one of those players mentioned above. I'd also like to see them move someone like Brad Richardson for a draft pick. Moving Richardson would also allow the Kings to clear up roster space for a free agent addition or a player in the pipeline who is more deserving of a roster spot.

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02-27-2012, 07:20 PM
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Stoll back to playing his natural postion is a big help on its own. Wish we could have picked up a more skilled experienced winger but at the prices that were out there im happy we didn't. Important game tonight i know we can pull it out Go Kings GO

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03-11-2012, 12:48 AM
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On the CBC Hot Stove they said the cap will be 69M-72M next season.

Parise and Suter are gonna get PAID. I expect the Flyers to throw a ludicrous offer at Suter, and the Rangers to do the same in regards to Parise. Each of them will have individual years where they'll earn between 12M-14.4M, assuming the main provisions of the CBA stay intact.


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03-11-2012, 01:25 AM
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The Kings still need to fill one more hole in their top six and I'd say they have a few openings/upgrades to make in their bottom six. I think they could also add another left handed defenseman who can maybe upgrade the third pairing and have the Kings move or retain one of Martinez or Drewiske as the 7th dman.

I know he's had some issues with his health in the past, but I really like Carlo Colaiacovo's game when he's playing. He appears to have put his injury problems behind him, having appeared in 73, 67, and 65 games over the past three years and has played in 52 of St. Louis's 69 games this season. He's a very mobile puck moving defenseman who can also play physically.

In terms of free agent forwards this summer, if they don't land Zach Parise (who I predict will re-sign with New Jersey), I think the Kings will look at one of the following forwards to fit in their top six:

Shane Doan
P.A. Parenteau
Ray Whitney
Kristian Huselius
Jiri Hudler
David Jones
Steve Sullivan

Not a terribly talented group. Doan and Parenteau will very likely get long term contract offers. The rest of that group are probably worth considering at 1 or 2 year deals and worth taking a look at on a shorter term. There is the possibility of Simon Gagne returning from his injury next season, but can they risk taking the chance of him possibly getting hurt early again? If he gets injured again, the Kings are going to have another big vacancy in their top six that they'll have to address during the regular season.

The Kings will have to look at upgrading their third line center and also look at adding another bottom six winger.

Third line center options:
Paul Gaustad
Chris Kelly
Samuel Pahlsson
Dominic Moore
Kyle Wellwood

Bottom six forward options:
Travis Moen
Jordin Tootoo
Adam Burish
Gregory Campbell
Brandon Prust
Taylor Pyatt
Daniel Carcillo

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03-11-2012, 03:05 AM
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cap raising could mean nothing as the cba is in september.

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03-11-2012, 04:41 AM
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The Kings will have to look at upgrading their third line center and also look at adding another bottom six winger.

Third line center options:
Paul Gaustad
Chris Kelly
Samuel Pahlsson
Dominic Moore
Kyle Wellwood
We have a lot of centers already. I see Mike as our 3rd line center, I'll probably get **** on for saying that, but that's where I think he fits the best.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter
xxxxxx-Loktionov-Williams
King-Richards-Holloway
Clifford-Cliche-Nolan

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Richardson, Westgarth, Lewis

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Based on what Ruutu and Hemsky got, a 2nd line winger will cost the Kings over 5M.

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03-11-2012, 05:14 AM
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We have a lot of centers already. I see Mike as our 3rd line center, I'll probably get **** on for saying that, but that's where I think he fits the best.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter
xxxxxx-Loktionov-Williams
King-Richards-Holloway
Clifford-Cliche-Nolan

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Based on what Ruutu and Hemsky got, a 2nd line winger will cost the Kings over 5M.


That is an awful lineup. That bottom 6....my god. No way Loktionov is ahead of Richards in the depth chart. Forget it. Lotkionov is going to have to become a skilled 3rd line center.

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03-11-2012, 05:37 AM
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cap raising could mean nothing as the cba is in september.
actually the cap raising is connected to the NHL revenue, which means that the NHL did more than fine (new TV deals, Beer deal...).


And while the owners might push for a rollback to the cap (and I doubt it will happen) - the NHL players contracts will also be rolled back by the same % the cap would be.

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03-11-2012, 06:11 AM
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The Kings still need to fill one more hole in their top six and I'd say they have a few openings/upgrades to make in their bottom six. I think they could also add another left handed defenseman who can maybe upgrade the third pairing and have the Kings move or retain one of Martinez or Drewiske as the 7th dman.

I know he's had some issues with his health in the past, but I really like Carlo Colaiacovo's game when he's playing. He appears to have put his injury problems behind him, having appeared in 73, 67, and 65 games over the past three years and has played in 52 of St. Louis's 69 games this season. He's a very mobile puck moving defenseman who can also play physically.

In terms of free agent forwards this summer, if they don't land Zach Parise (who I predict will re-sign with New Jersey), I think the Kings will look at one of the following forwards to fit in their top six:

Shane Doan
P.A. Parenteau
Ray Whitney
Kristian Huselius
Jiri Hudler
David Jones
Steve Sullivan

Not a terribly talented group. Doan and Parenteau will very likely get long term contract offers. The rest of that group are probably worth considering at 1 or 2 year deals and worth taking a look at on a shorter term. There is the possibility of Simon Gagne returning from his injury next season, but can they risk taking the chance of him possibly getting hurt early again? If he gets injured again, the Kings are going to have another big vacancy in their top six that they'll have to address during the regular season.

The Kings will have to look at upgrading their third line center and also look at adding another bottom six winger.

Third line center options:
Paul Gaustad
Chris Kelly
Samuel Pahlsson
Dominic Moore
Kyle Wellwood

Bottom six forward options:
Travis Moen
Jordin Tootoo
Adam Burish
Gregory Campbell
Brandon Prust
Taylor Pyatt
Daniel Carcillo
How many years left on Gagne's contract?

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03-11-2012, 06:17 AM
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How many years left on Gagne's contract?
1 more year after this season

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03-11-2012, 10:10 AM
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That is an awful lineup. That bottom 6....my god. No way Loktionov is ahead of Richards in the depth chart. Forget it. Lotkionov is going to have to become a skilled 3rd line center.
That's not the lineup I want, I'm just basing it on what we have to work with. Do we really need another center when we have Carter, Kopitar, Richards and Loktionov?

That bottom six is better than the one we have now. Richards is our best defensive center (in spite of last game), and gets a large chunk of his points on special teams anyways.

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Not until the off season and that depends on how the Kings finish this season. If Kopitar and Brown underperform down the stretch and then in the playoffs, I think they are both vulnerable to being traded if the right deal presents itself.
Agree. I think maybe who is and who isn't available will depend upon how the Kings fare going thru spring. If they go deep, do well , ownership feels comforable, Gm stays, then I think DL /DS will put a list together for trades to upgrade at wing.

If the teams tanks, DL goes, DS goes and ownership brings in a new GM that isn't Hextall, he will have his own ideas on what kind of team he wants and what he looks for a in player. So anybody not named Quick could be fair game.

This is a list of the current Free Agents with their age and salary. There are some players that could be had if Penner is moved and a few others to free up some cash.

http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?y...F&fa_type_id=2

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Yeah we can probably forget about Parise and Doan. Damn this summer is the worst group of free agents since.. ever. Stoll is probably the best 3rd liner out there and Penner is probably the best top 6er.

Ugh. Seems like the Kings aren't gonna have a better team on paper next year no matter what, unless they trade the rest of their farm for something but that'd be a dumb move.

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Agree. I think maybe who is and who isn't available will depend upon how the Kings fare going thru spring. If they go deep, do well , ownership feels comforable, Gm stays, then I think DL /DS will put a list together for trades to upgrade at wing.

If the teams tanks, DL goes, DS goes and ownership brings in a new GM that isn't Hextall, he will have his own ideas on what kind of team he wants and what he looks for a in player. So anybody not named Quick could be fair game.

This is a list of the current Free Agents with their age and salary. There are some players that could be had if Penner is moved and a few others to free up some cash.

http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?y...F&fa_type_id=2
Brad Boyes play this year might make him undervalued. He's the type of player that works under a Sutter system, assuming Sutter is still here. He plays C and W equally effective and uses his big body to protect the puck at an elite level. he works well on the boards, isn't lazy and has netted 40 goals. Still 29 years old. we may be able to get him for what Stoll is making this year.

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We have a lot of centers already. I see Mike as our 3rd line center, I'll probably get **** on for saying that, but that's where I think he fits the best.

Brown-Kopitar-Carter
xxxxxx-Loktionov-Williams
King-Richards-Holloway
Clifford-Cliche-Nolan

Spares:
Richardson, Westgarth, Lewis

IR:
Gagne


Based on what Ruutu and Hemsky got, a 2nd line winger will cost the Kings over 5M.
I want Lokti as the 2nd line center too. It might be because I'm his biggest fan and think he would thrive there with skilled wingers and then we could roll 3 lines all game.

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Brad Boyes play this year might make him undervalued. He's the type of player that works under a Sutter system, assuming Sutter is still here. He plays C and W equally effective and uses his big body to protect the puck at an elite level. he works well on the boards, isn't lazy and has netted 40 goals. Still 29 years old. we may be able to get him for what Stoll is making this year.
If we pay Brad Boyes $3.6 million, I'd **** my pants with fury.

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This. he won't get more than 2.5 on a good day

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Doesn't Huselius have a history with DS from Calgary? He might be an affordable replacement if Gagne doesn't return. As far as other moves go, I've seen no real reason to break up the King-Richards-Carter line unless it's a significant upgrade over King but a similar type of player. Loki has to be considered as an NHL center at this point and Kopitar and Richards are two others.

I'm thinking any moves that are made to the bottom 6 are really going to be determined by what Holloway and Moller decide to do, and what DL decides to do with Nolan, Fraser, Parse, King, Lewis, Richardson, as far as resigning and trades go. There's also the chance that Toffoli comes in and makes the team (doubtful in my eyes) and completely throws everything out the window...

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This. he won't get more than 2.5 on a good day
I'd be willing to bet that free agents this summer are going to get more than anyone thinks. The tone has already been set by the Ruutu and Hemsky signings.


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Doesn't Huselius have a history with DS from Calgary? He might be an affordable replacement if Gagne doesn't return. As far as other moves go, I've seen no real reason to break up the King-Richards-Carter line unless it's a significant upgrade over King but a similar type of player. Loki has to be considered as an NHL center at this point and Kopitar and Richards are two others.
Huselius could be a decent option, but I think he'll be more expensive than people think. Even if Gagne comes back, I'd like to add a top 6 forward for depth, and run 3 scoring lines.

King-Richards-Carter
Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Huselius-Loktionov-Brown
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Richardson
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Westgarth


That's a good mix of talent IMO. A good coach could get a lot out of that.

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