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Orr vs. Gretzky (Vote and Head-to-Head Comparison)

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03-12-2012, 02:59 AM
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Nothing, your entitled to your opinion, you are in the minority though.
I assure you, he is not. I would bet that the majority of hockey fans, who saw Orr and Gretzky play would say that Gretzky is the greatest player ever.

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03-12-2012, 07:29 AM
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I assure you, he is not. I would bet that the majority of hockey fans, who saw Orr and Gretzky play would say that Gretzky is the greatest player ever.
That's a false statement big time.
In fact, under the exact criteria of "who actually saw both players play", Orr wins that on a regular basis.

Usually there is a lot of "Gretzky was the greatest offensive player ever" followed by "but Orr was the greatest overall player ever".

And to be fair, there's also usually a fair sized group that have Howe as the greatest ever.

Either way, when it's a full vote from all age groups, it's a close run thing and no one of the three get enough support to match the other two combined.
A minority government in a 3 party system for sure.


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Injury free career and Lemieux would have challenged and overtake many of Gretzkys records.

Injury free career and Orr would be clearly the best statistical D-man to ever play the game with a huge margin.

Lemieux was absolutely a thread to Gretzkys records. Absolutely.
Injury free career and Gretzky's career would have been even more insane... or are you forgetting that Gretzky had chronic pain and back troubles since the Suter hit in 1991?

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Injury free career and Gretzky's career would have been even more insane... or are you forgetting that Gretzky had chronic pain and back troubles since the Suter hit in 1991?
Yes, it's scary to think how many goals and points Gretzky would have scored in his career had he not been hit by Suter in 1991. Not just the fact he dropped from being a 160+ point player to a 120+ point player overnight after the hit....but think about all the time he missed after that injury. He sat out most of the 1993 season, and let's not forget the lockout -- a time where he really could have padded his career totals. I shudder to think how many goals and points Gretz would have finished with had it not been for these factors. Probably over a 1000 goals, and definitely more than 3200 points. He would have hit 3000 before anyone else would have (probably ever) even hit 2000! That's just insane.

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03-12-2012, 01:06 PM
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Gretzky's career accomplishments obviously give him the career value.

But there is something to be said for the sheer dominance Orr showed on the ice, in all three zones. It has often been said that no one can control the pace of the game like a defenseman can....

I believe that the statistics back this observation. Orr's GF:GA ratio is off the charts; his contribution to his team (GF:GA off vs on) is also #1.

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