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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part IV | "Operation Dumba Drop"

View Poll Results: Which defenseman do you like most?
Ryan Murray 119 56.40%
Jacob Trouba 8 3.79%
Matt Dumba 45 21.33%
Griffin Reinhart 28 13.27%
Cody Ceci 1 0.47%
Morgan Rielly 10 4.74%
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03-12-2012, 03:31 AM
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The u-18's are coming up next month I believe. Dumba will be a sure bet to be on the team barring injury and the thinking is that he will be the captain.

Will you be able to watch the games?
I wasn't able to last year IIRC. That should be a blast for those that can watch them. I'd love to to see what might be around in the late first/early 2nd.

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03-12-2012, 03:33 AM
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I wasn't able to last year IIRC. That should be a blast for those that can watch them. I'd love to to see what might be around in the late first/early 2nd.
Here is a thread that talks about who we are likely to see playing for Canada in the tourney.

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I got to see Dumba at the OK game on sat night.

You can tell he's a good player, and he did get two points, but I didn't find him especially noticeable.

Definitely didn't control the game like a Petriangelo. (spelling?)
I think Dumba may be an attractive pick because he has a good all-around game, but he doesn't control the play like Murray can.

The real standout for me was Gernat. He can really shoot the puck. Edmonton is a really well coached team. Every single time their defence get the puck the immediately skate to the middle of the ice and let a shot go. (For the highest percentage shooting opportunity.) I often feel the D on the Oilers take shots from the points at bad angles, so it was refreshing to see.

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One player that I keep hearing great things about is Radek Faksa. His stock has quickly risen this year as a rookie and plays all elements for his team, including the point on the PP. I wonder how high he eventually finishs in rankings, and ends up going?
I would love for him to be the final piece of our top 6, but just don't see how it could happen. 6'3, over 200 pounds already, plays a physical game and plays a very good 2 way game. He is also known for having high hockey IQ, very good speed and good set up and finishing skills.

Has there been anyone seen him play?

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When I think of Murray, I always run into two questions.

Is he going to be much better than a guy like Nick Schultz? And...is that a bad thing?

They're very similar in size, skating and defensive positioning/stickwork. Schultz has also shown he has some offensive ability when he isn't playing in Minnesota's system.

Murray seems like he could improve our D next season and beyond. Dumba might take a bit longer, but has the potential to be a game breaker. Then there's Galchenyuk who could easily end up being the best player from the draft.

I'm really not a fan of Grigorenko or this draft.

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When I think of Murray, I always run into two questions.

Is he going to be much better than a guy like Nick Schultz? And...is that a bad thing?

They're very similar in size, skating and defensive positioning/stickwork. Schultz has also shown he has some offensive ability when he isn't playing in Minnesota's system.

Murray seems like he could improve our D next season and beyond. Dumba might take a bit longer, but has the potential to be a game breaker. Then there's Galchenyuk who could easily end up being the best player from the draft.

I'm really not a fan of this draft.
I'd think if you are drafting in the top 5 or 10 for that matter you are hoping for more than a Schultz.

Buttons latest. I don't think he even tries anymore.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

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Side note, I'd assume this year is as good as any for the Devils to give up their first. If they do and you are drafted 30th overall do you consider yourself a first rounder or second rounder?

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I'm really not a fan of Grigorenko or this draft.
Neither am I, too many variables and questions to firmly decide who I want to take anywhere from 1st-5th. Crazy how the draft is shaping up considering the hype it was getting a year ago.

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I'd think if you are drafting in the top 5 or 10 for that matter you are hoping for more than a Schultz.

Buttons latest. I don't think he even tries anymore.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
He's out to lunch on Finn, Ceci and Subban, in my opinion.

Other than that though, it doesn't look too bad to me.

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When I think of Murray, I always run into two questions.

Is he going to be much better than a guy like Nick Schultz? And...is that a bad thing?

They're very similar in size, skating and defensive positioning/stickwork. Schultz has also shown he has some offensive ability when he isn't playing in Minnesota's system.

Murray seems like he could improve our D next season and beyond. Dumba might take a bit longer, but has the potential to be a game breaker. Then there's Galchenyuk who could easily end up being the best player from the draft.

I'm really not a fan of this draft.
Ideally, Murray has a lot of room to grow whereas Shultz has been playing for a decade.

that said, I've been sold on the Murray hype for a full year now...so in some ways I go
"Holy ****! he skated backwards they need to draft this guy"...
"Holy **** he just made a pass...they need to draft this guy" ....
"Holy **** he is on the shutdown pairing...they need to draft this guy" ...
and then
"Holy **** he just ****ed up the WJC tourney...oh well...Schiefele and Visintin suck...they need to draft this guy!"

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Neither am I, too many variables and questions to firmly decide who I want to take anywhere from 1st-5th. Crazy how the draft is shaping up considering the hype it was getting a year ago.
Agreed. There seems to be a lot of big holes being punched in every prospect that I don't remember from previous years.

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Neither am I, too many variables and questions to firmly decide who I want to take anywhere from 1st-5th. Crazy how the draft is shaping up considering the hype it was getting a year ago.
Yup. Last year was so easy.

#1C(RNH), #1D(Larsson) or #1W(Landeskog). All with no question marks.

This year, I see a big question marks for pretty much everyone in the top 5.

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I think for me it's Murray if we're taking a D-man, and if Nail isn't available, then for me it's probably Galchenyuk if we're taking a forward.

If there is even a slight risk of Grigorenko's work ethic, I honestly don't wanna take a risk.

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I'd think if you are drafting in the top 5 or 10 for that matter you are hoping for more than a Schultz.

Buttons latest. I don't think he even tries anymore.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
Unlike you or me, he watches all these players. Live.

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Yup. Last year was so easy.

#1C(RNH), #1D(Larsson) or #1W(Landeskog). All with no question marks.

This year, I see a big question marks for pretty much everyone in the top 5.
There were question marks for all of those players.

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Unlike you or me, he watches all these players. Live.
Doesn't change the fact that anything Burron writes/says is purposely controversial in order to get hits/viewers. Having Grigorenko and Murray so low will get that done. Again.

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Side note, I'd assume this year is as good as any for the Devils to give up their first. If they do and you are drafted 30th overall do you consider yourself a first rounder or second rounder?
This is what is so bush league about the Devils getting to choose when they get to forfeit their pick over the next three years. They either should have lost their pick last season or else they should have had to pick from the start when in the next three seasons that they wanted to forfeit that pick. Obviously this year would be the year to forfeit it.

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Doesn't change the fact that anything Burron writes/says is purposely controversial in order to get hits/viewers. Having Grigorenko and Murray so low will get that done. Again.
Ive seen him give explanations for why he has who ranked where. I dont think he trifles in order to stir up the pot. He is a scout with over 20yrs experience. I doubt he wants to risk his reputation playing games like that.

I suppose it is possible, but it would be highly doubtful imo.

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There were question marks for all of those players.
There are always questions. However last years assessment by dnicks is pretty bang on. This year who is the top d? Who is the top winger? Who is the top C?

Only one that's really a lock is Yakupov for top winger, however he does have the Russian factor and the fact that he just got laid out this past weekend doesn't help his draft stock either. So it really is tough to judge.

But last year, many people said RNH was the guy, we all knew Larsson was the best d-man available and everyone was in consensus that Landeskog was the most NHL ready prospect.

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New thread soon? Title: "Our Losing Endeavor for Whoever"

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There are always questions. However last years assessment by dnicks is pretty bang on. This year who is the top d? Who is the top winger? Who is the top C?

Only one that's really a lock is Yakupov for top winger, however he does have the Russian factor and the fact that he just got laid out this past weekend doesn't help his draft stock either. So it really is tough to judge.

But last year, many people said RNH was the guy, we all knew Larsson was the best d-man available and everyone was in consensus that Landeskog was the most NHL ready prospect.
Maybe Grigorenko and Murray fall but I doubt it. I think the locks are still there.

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Nail #Yakupov will miss the rest of the regular season for Sarnia
I haven't heard anything about this until now. I don't think it will affect Nail so much, but I can't remember a draft that had so many question marks due to injury.

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I haven't heard anything about this until now. I don't think it will affect Nail so much, but I can't remember a draft that had so many question marks due to injury.
Agreed, it's just nuts, I wonder if he starts to drop on the rankings, someone gets him as a monster steal at around 5 to 7, that would be crazy.

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Ive seen him give explanations for why he has who ranked where. I dont think he trifles in order to stir up the pot. He is a scout with over 20yrs experience. I doubt he wants to risk his reputation playing games like that.

I suppose it is possible, but it would be highly doubtful imo.
That's the thing. He's spent so much time scouting that the only reason I think of for him to make such weird statements is to boost ratings.

For example, this past summer he did a one-year-later look at the 2010 draft. Hall was #2 because apparently he can't excel without a good centre. Jarred Tinordi moved up fourteen spots to 8. Might my inner Narnia talking but something isn't kosher about Button's lists.

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