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03-12-2012, 02:40 PM
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debatable. the andy mac breakaway was definitely stoppable. not an easy shot by any means, but stoppable for sure.
It's not debatable. Breakaways can't be soft goals. He also got royally screwed by that bounce off the glass.

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It's not debatable. Breakaways can't be soft goals. He also got royally screwed by that bounce off the glass.
Yep. Nothing he can do on the second one there. No one knew where the puck was.

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He's slumping a little, as is the team. We know he goes through this at times, so it's not concerning. He'll break out soon enough.

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It's not debatable. Breakaways can't be soft goals. He also got royally screwed by that bounce off the glass.
calling a goal soft and calling a goal stoppable are not the same thing. why cant ppl realize this?

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I like hank as much as any other fan, but you can't seriously be defending him saying he's NOT in a slump right now.

He's playing far worse then he was for the rest of the season.

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save% slipped to second in the league....yeah somethings wrong with this guy.

... Wins 4th, GAA 3rd, SO 1st. PANIC QUICK!!! It's Henke's best year yet.

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It's Henke's best year yet.
that's not the point of this discussion. it's obvious he's not as sharp as he's been the majority of this season.

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save% slipped to second in the league....yeah somethings wrong with this guy.

... Wins 4th, GAA 3rd, SO 1st. PANIC QUICK!!! It's Henke's best year yet.
I don't think anybody in this discussion is panicking at all. We're just saying, the guy slumps a little bit annually and it usually takes place in January. If trends continue and this is his January slump, we might see the best part of his season just in time for the playoffs as he usually hits his final stride in February and March and starts completely taking over games.

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save% slipped to second in the league....yeah somethings wrong with this guy.

... Wins 4th, GAA 3rd, SO 1st. PANIC QUICK!!! It's Henke's best year yet.
You're missing the point of this discussion. No-one is saying Hank has become bad or we are in trouble. Simply saying that he has been in a slump since the past few games.

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03-12-2012, 04:26 PM
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As we all know, Hank usually has a slumb in january (or start in jan) and maybe also the defense has had the same.

This year Biron has taken more games and Hanks work load in the games has been lesser due to the Team being a lot better this year.

I was thinking that maybe his down period being kind of pushed forward and march fits in the time schedule quite well regarding the number of games played as well as his physical and mental status.

So, the bottom line is that his january is instead starting in march this year.

Honestly I hope that is how it is, because that would mean that his usual down the stretch ridiculous top performances would kick in during play off time this year.
are you serious...Dude,this thread is absolutley ridiculous man.

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are you serious...Dude,this thread is absolutley ridiculous man.
anyone that doesn't think hank is slumping now and has a slump EVERY year is not paying attention.

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03-12-2012, 05:50 PM
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anyone that doesn't think hank is slumping now and has a slump EVERY year is not paying attention.
So many people are blind to the facts it's ridiculous.

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are you serious...Dude,this thread is absolutley ridiculous man.
Well, at least the question/theory was. Not saying it is correct though, just a thought.

This season has been great in so many ways, but at some point I find it quite normal that both Hank, the D and the team will run out of gas for a small window of time. Both mentally and physically.. until they can pick it up where they left it.

It has nothing to do with anybody suddenly being a bad player, just a bump in the road.

But the main theory was that maybe this year the bump has been pushed forward in time due to the fact that Hank hasn't been worn out as before, the team offense is better, the team defense is better so maybe that goes for the blue liners as well. All together, they got their slump later this year and if so the team will start peaking again in a few weeks.

Still saying I hope the theory is correct because Hank will be a monster in the play off if so.

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03-12-2012, 06:35 PM
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game winner in chitown...yikes

a couple of the goals against the debbies

and i agree about the macdonald breakaway goal also.

not saying he's been bad, he just hasn't been absolutely lights out lately. and based upon his career trends I think its good that this is happening now, because he has shown the ability the recover from these minor slumps.
I'll give you one. The Kovalchuk breakaway was stoppable, but I don't know if it was a soft goal. I thought it was a pretty good shot. This is not 3 guys scoring 5 hole on Biron. But even with that one, couple means 2. Was the goal that bounced off the Devils' leg or the 2 on 1 goal a bad goal?

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It's not debatable. Breakaways can't be soft goals. He also got royally screwed by that bounce off the glass.
Honestly that's crap. Yes they can be. I don't think that the Macdonald was really soft, but I didn't see it clearly.

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Honestly that's crap. Yes they can be. I don't think that the Macdonald was really soft, but I didn't see it clearly.
Soft goal = letting in a goal when a routine save should have been made.

There's absolutely nothing routine about a ******* breakaway.

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Soft goal = letting in a goal when a routine save should have been made.

There's absolutely nothing routine about a ******* breakaway.
This. It looked like MacDonald roofed it over Hank's shoulder.

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Soft goal = letting in a goal when a routine save should have been made.

There's absolutely nothing routine about a ******* breakaway.
When you let in 3 goals 5 hole like Biron, without a deke or a screen, you gave up soft goals. There are plenty of shots that can beat a goalie even close up that are soft. They're goalies in the NHL, breakaways shouldn't be an automatic goal.

BTW, the 3 5 hole goals on Biron, notice how many breakaways Lundqvist has faced and how many times teams have tried going 5 hole on him. Almost never. I can think of 1 time, in a shootout and it was a fanned shot by Ryan. (That's this season I'm talking about, don't remember that much about previous years).

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When you let in 3 goals 5 hole like Biron, without a deke or a screen, you gave up soft goals. There are plenty of shots that can beat a goalie even close up that are soft. They're goalies in the NHL, breakaways shouldn't be an automatic goal.

BTW, the 3 5 hole goals on Biron, notice how many breakaways Lundqvist has faced and how many times teams have tried going 5 hole on him. Almost never. I can think of 1 time, in a shootout and it was a fanned shot by Ryan. (That's this season I'm talking about, don't remember that much about previous years).
You're right, goalies should make saves on breakways, but it's FAR from automatic.

A goal scored on a breakaway is NEVER a soft goal unless the goalie literally moves out of the way to allow the puck into the net.

Once again...

Soft goal = goal that goalie should have stopped with ease (aka a routine save)

A freakin' stop on a breakaway is not a routine save. It's robbery.

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to keep things in perspective before the last group of games, hank was on pass to set the record for highest save % ever and to have one of the lowest gaa in the modern era by a goalie that made 40+ starts....

we aren't talking about a guy that was having a decent season and stumbled, we are talking about a guy that was on pace for one of the best seasons in nhl history that had a few bad games...he obviously needs to get his **** together and out of the slump but its hard to kill him over like 5 games given how he played the first 5 months

it is also not accurate that he always slumps in jan, last season jan was his best month and oct was his worst (to go against the theory that he wears down). in fact jan 2008 is really the only time he had a bad jan

His jan stats by season (from nhl.com)
Jan 2006: 7-2-2 1.97 .931 1so
Jan 2007: 6-5-0 2.01 .921 0so
Jan 2008: 4-6-2 2.55 .891 1so
Jan 2009: 5-4-0 2.22 .926 2so
Jan 2010: 5-5-2 2.26 .918 1so
Jan 2011: 5-4-1 1.97 .934 2so
Jan 2012: 6-3-1 1.75 .939 2so

now thats not to say he didn't have slumps during those seasons, just that everyone seems to think it happens at the same time for the same reason and it doesn't. 07-08 he was really bad in dec/jan, 08/09 he was really bad in dec, but then 09/10 and 10/11 dec & jan were his 2 best months. there really isn't a pattern other then he hasn't gone a full season without hitting a rough patch

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03-12-2012, 07:43 PM
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found this interesting while looking at his month-by-month stats, nhl.com also has a split for stats in wins vs in losses. here are hank's stats (save%, gaa, shutouts) in wins vs losses during the regular season in his career

wins
05-06: .943, 1.64, 2so
06-07: .946, 1.51, 5so
07-08: .946, 1.35, 9so
08-09: .942, 1.68, 3so
09-10: .946, 1.59, 3so
10-11: .951, 1.44, 11so
11-12: .950, 1.41, 8so

losses
05-06: .894, 3.05, 0so
06-07: .881, 3.36, 0so
07-08: .877, 3.22, 1so
08-09: .883, 3.38, 0so
09-10: .897, 3.19, 1so
10-11: .888, 3.26, 0so
11-12: .911, 2.69, 0so

his numbers during wins are simply ridiculous...but his numbers in losses (asides from this year which aren't too bad) are really really ugly.

not sure though if this tells us more about how when hank is on he is lights out, but when he's off he is REALLY off...OR if this tells us that we only win if he is lights out and almost never win when he's not (giving the offense a share of the blame)

either way i was pretty shocked at how drastically different those stats were. although as a disclaimer I didn't look at anyone else to compare splits

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anyone that doesn't think hank is slumping now and has a slump EVERY year is not paying attention.
Did I ever oncve say he wasnt slumping? Did i say he doesnt slump every year? NO I DID NOT.... alot of players slump A LOT..this really isnt an issue.The guy is world class,so he is slumping,big deal.ppl around here are so dramatic about everything,its almost unreal.I feel like its Bingo night with Grandma more often then not here.which is why i rarely post.

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found this interesting while looking at his month-by-month stats, nhl.com also has a split for stats in wins vs in losses. here are hank's stats (save%, gaa, shutouts) in wins vs losses during the regular season in his career

wins
05-06: .943, 1.64, 2so
06-07: .946, 1.51, 5so
07-08: .946, 1.35, 9so
08-09: .942, 1.68, 3so
09-10: .946, 1.59, 3so
10-11: .951, 1.44, 11so
11-12: .950, 1.41, 8so

losses
05-06: .894, 3.05, 0so
06-07: .881, 3.36, 0so
07-08: .877, 3.22, 1so
08-09: .883, 3.38, 0so
09-10: .897, 3.19, 1so
10-11: .888, 3.26, 0so
11-12: .911, 2.69, 0so

his numbers during wins are simply ridiculous...but his numbers in losses (asides from this year which aren't too bad) are really really ugly.

not sure though if this tells us more about how when hank is on he is lights out, but when he's off he is REALLY off...OR if this tells us that we only win if he is lights out and almost never win when he's not (giving the offense a share of the blame)

either way i was pretty shocked at how drastically different those stats were. although as a disclaimer I didn't look at anyone else to compare splits
Nice stats...yeah the loss column is ugly but could be worse.The win column is ridiculously amazing..

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Awesome. Hank's lost some games where he's posted shutouts. Nice.

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You're right, goalies should make saves on breakways, but it's FAR from automatic.

A goal scored on a breakaway is NEVER a soft goal unless the goalie literally moves out of the way to allow the puck into the net.

Once again...

Soft goal = goal that goalie should have stopped with ease (aka a routine save)

A freakin' stop on a breakaway is not a routine save. It's robbery.
A soft shot between the legs is not friggin robbery. For some reason Hank has more trouble on breakaways than in the shootout, but he has a career save % in the shootout in 70s. Let's not pretend like it's some ridiculous feat to stop a breakaway.

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