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03-12-2012, 04:50 PM
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More often than not at least one player on any 1st line in the NHL is not a true first liner but rather a complimentary player.
He isn't complimenting players, though. That would suggest he rides other players capabilities.

Instead what's happening is other players are using him to benefit their own game.

He's making players better.

They all exploit his endurance, speed, and tenacity to their advantage.

Look how Richards and Stepan have put the puck in open areas knowing Hagelin would beat everyone to the puck. That's a turn over if its anyone else. Or icing.

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See: Burrows, Hartnell, Kunitz, PAP, etc.

You don't need a line with three superstars in order to be successful.
could not agree more with this.

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I agree with the people that say that his speed and hockey IQ are his greatest assets. He might not have the vision of some others, which may reduce his effectiveness as a puck distributor. He also lacks some experience which shows sometimes (e.g. panicking with the puck). However, he seems to always know how to apply his skills for maximum effectiveness, which to me is the main part of hockey IQ.

It's the opposite of people who keep trying to do things that are way to complicated for their skills level and have low odds of succeeding. I'm thinking someone like Alex Semin here, who is basically the opposite of Hags. He's really skilled, has great vision, but doesn't really use it to it's full potential. Hags has average(ish) skill and vision, but plays the game in a way that makes the most of it.


As a first line LW, I don't think he's ideal. He might be the best this club has right now, but to me that speaks more of the LW depth than it does his abilities. What I do think about him is that because he plays a simple, efficient game, and has the skills that he does, he can be fitted to any line and not hold them back. He is probably very easy to play with for anyone.

The backside of that is that he's not really the guy running the (or any) line. He can compliment any line, but if you're relying on him to drive a line, at least as of now, you're going to be disappointed.

Either way, it's really fun to see someone come in and do what he does and the way he does it.

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03-12-2012, 04:56 PM
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Agreed, but none of those guys are rookies or inexperienced. Let me put this another way, would it be fair to say that all the players mentioned above are better than Carl atm?
Sure. Except take PAP out of the list then.

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He isn't complimenting players, though. That would suggest he rides other players capabilities.
Instead what's happening is other players are using him to benefit their own game.

He's making players better.

They all exploit his endurance, speed, and tenacity to their advantage.

Look how Richards and Stepan have put the puck in open areas knowing Hagelin would beat everyone to the puck. That's a turn over if its anyone else. Or icing.
I think it goes both ways and I was referring to your later point (which I'm obviously, in complete agreement).

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I told you guys Hagelin is creative.

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03-13-2012, 08:48 PM
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How can he be holding them back hes the best player on the line. The kid is a great young player i hope he continues this play, its really exciting to see.

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I agree with the people that say that his speed and hockey IQ are his greatest assets. He might not have the vision of some others, which may reduce his effectiveness as a puck distributor. He also lacks some experience which shows sometimes (e.g. panicking with the puck). However, he seems to always know how to apply his skills for maximum effectiveness, which to me is the main part of hockey IQ.

It's the opposite of people who keep trying to do things that are way to complicated for their skills level and have low odds of succeeding. I'm thinking someone like Alex Semin here, who is basically the opposite of Hags. He's really skilled, has great vision, but doesn't really use it to it's full potential. Hags has average(ish) skill and vision, but plays the game in a way that makes the most of it.


As a first line LW, I don't think he's ideal. He might be the best this club has right now, but to me that speaks more of the LW depth than it does his abilities. What I do think about him is that because he plays a simple, efficient game, and has the skills that he does, he can be fitted to any line and not hold them back. He is probably very easy to play with for anyone.

The backside of that is that he's not really the guy running the (or any) line. He can compliment any line, but if you're relying on him to drive a line, at least as of now, you're going to be disappointed.

Either way, it's really fun to see someone come in and do what he does and the way he does it.
Ok il take Hagelin first or any line the way he is playing. Give me a break, but Drury and Gomez were top liners when we signed them right lol.

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Speed kills. Gabby and Hags are creating room for Richards.
Can't wait to see Kreider and his wheels.

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I told you guys Hagelin is creative.
He is certainly seems to be getting more comfortable. I was very impressed tonight, especially with his poise. He seemed very calm with the puck. I hope he keeps it up.

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Speed kills. Gabby and Hags are creating room for Richards.
Can't wait to see Kreider and his wheels.
Yep, but I still want to see how that line looks against a top defensive team.

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I told you guys Hagelin is creative.
Please, exceeding the maximum tolerable "I told you so" for a thread limit!

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Yep, but I still want to see how that line looks against a top defensive team.
Valid point but I thought Hags turned it up a couple notches tonight. Best game I've seen him play.

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Well then, I call him out on his creativity and he pulls two hall of fame passes out of his ****ing ass.

Hmm.

Very, very impressive.

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Please, exceeding the maximum tolerable "I told you so" for a thread limit!
I know, I know.

I'm not usually one to toot my own horn. I'm just so pumped that Hagelin, who has been my favorite prospect for four years, is blossoming in front of all of us.

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If Hagelin keeps this pace up for the rest of the season should he be considered in the ROY discussion?

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If Hagelin keeps this pace up for the rest of the season should he be considered in the ROY discussion?
Only if he goes PPG for the rest of the year. But still think Landeskog will win it.

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If Hagelin keeps this pace up for the rest of the season should he be considered in the ROY discussion?
I don't think so, might become finalist though.

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Hags is a boss. Hes becoming my favorite Ranger.

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If Hagelin keeps this pace up for the rest of the season should he be considered in the ROY discussion?
Points wise, he's tied for 5th with Cody Hodgson with 33 points in 20 less games, but 13 points behind Henrique with 11 less games. If he continues his current pace (Which is pretty hard to expect but is not totally hard to imagine with the way he is playing) he has a chance, but he would really have to haul it in to win it.

Consideration though? Definitely.

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I really hope Hagelin becomes the type of player Detroit always finds in later rounds that turns into a tremendous player
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All rookie team ?

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It's because of Hagelin that I was pissed we gave up a 5th round pick for John Scott. I want to find the hidden gems in later rounds lol

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I know, I know.

I'm not usually one to toot my own horn. I'm just so pumped that Hagelin, who has been my favorite prospect for four years, is blossoming in front of all of us.
Nothing personal, just a forum pet peeve of mine. I'm a straight shooter when it comes to sharing my thoughts haha.

I started getting excited about Hagelin after a series of articles came out of the Michigan media about what excellent character attributes he has, and how highly Berenson felt about him as a player and as a person, and about how much the Michigan fan base supported him. That started to pump me up and now it's great to see him on the Rangers being a difference maker.

For me, I place a lot of stock in a player's character attributes... Goes a long way both on the ice and in the locker room...


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It's because of Hagelin that I was pissed we gave up a 5th round pick for John Scott. I want to find the hidden gems in later rounds lol
Hagelin was a 6th, so we're still good

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Liked Hagelin, obviously didn't expect him to catch on this quick. I figured he'd make the roster next year, putting up about the production he has this season in 51 games over an 82 game season.

My favorite NYR prospect was Nigel Dawes, so I can't really speak to anything.

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