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View Poll Results: With the 2nd overall pick, what would you choose?
Center (Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, etc.) 100 58.82%
Defenseman (Murray, Dumba, etc.) 70 41.18%
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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part V | "Fizzling for Rissling"

Continue here.

Part I: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=969315
Part II: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...080917&page=27
Part III: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1087899
Part IV: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1107243

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Originally Posted by dnicks17
*Disclaimer: This thread is about draft eligible players for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft, not to discuss where we'll finish in the standings, our legitimacy as a play-off team or anything of that matter.*



I thought I would kick off our first official 2012 draft thread with my own Top 10.

The first three columns are the player's rankings with Redline Report, Future Considerations and International Scouting Service.



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Nail Yakupov - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  1 1 2 F Nail Yakupov 06-OCT-93 5.11 180 L Sarnia Sting RUS OHL 65 49 52 101 -2  


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Slippery
-Quick hands and creativity
-Great shot
-Plays bigger than his 5'11'' frame
-Very effective in the dirty areas

Comparable:
-A smaller Alexander Ovechkin


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Ryan Murray - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  3 2 3 D Ryan Murray 27-SEP-93 6.00 182 L Everett Silvertips CAN WHL 70 6 40 46 +18  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Positionally and defensively solid
-Leadership

Comparable:
-Scott Niedermayer


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Nick Ebert - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  2 4 6 D Nick Ebert 11-MAY-94 6.00 195 R Windsor Spitfires USA OHL 64 11 30 41 -2  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Very physical
-Great puck-moving ability
-Very good positionally and defensively solid

Comparable:
-Drew Doughty


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Mikhail Grigorenko - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  11 5 1 F Mikhail Grigorenko 16-MAY-94 6.02 192 L CSKA Moscow RUS MHL 43 17 18 35 +9  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Great playmaking skills
-Good shot
-Committed two-way center

Comparable:
-Evgeni Malkin


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Alex Galchenyuk - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  7 3 9 F Alex Galchenyuk 12-FEB-94 6.00 185 L Sarnia Sting OHL 68 31 52 83 -8


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Strong on the puck
-Great shot
-Very defensively responsible

Comparable:
-Marian Hossa


[#6]
 
Filip Forsberg - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  18 9 4 F Filip Forsberg 13-AUG-94 6.01 176 R Leksand SWE SuperElit 36 21 19 40 +30  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good playmaker
-Great shot
-Strong on his skates
-Explosive skater

Comparable:
Patrick Marleau


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Griffin Reinhart - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  4 8 7 D Griffin Reinhart 24-JAN-94 6.04 202 L Edmonton Oil Kings CAN WHL 45 6 19 25 +7


Strengths:
-Great size
-Smooth skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Gritty
-Big Shot

Comparable
Ed Jovanovski


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Morgan Rielly - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  10 7 12 D Morgan Rielly 09-MAR-94 6.00 190 L Moose Jaw Warriors CAN WHL 65 6 22 28 -15    


Strengths:
-Smooth skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Loads of patience/poise
-Great shot
-Good defender

Comparable:
Brian Rafalski


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Jacob Trouba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  6 6 5 D Jacob Trouba 26-FEB-94 6.01 183 R USA NTDP U17 USA 37 6 13 19 -  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Big shot
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact
-Loads of grit

Comparable:
Erik Johnson


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Matt Dumba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  12 10 14 D Mathew Dumba 25-JUL-94 5.11 172 R Red Deer Rebels CAN WHL 62 15 11 26 +24   


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Big shot
-Great puck-rushing ability
-Great open-ice hitter
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact

Comparable:
P.K. Subban





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One player that I keep hearing great things about is Radek Faksa. His stock has quickly risen this year as a rookie and plays all elements for his team, including the point on the PP. I wonder how high he eventually finishs in rankings, and ends up going?
I would love for him to be the final piece of our top 6, but just don't see how it could happen. 6'3, over 200 pounds already, plays a physical game and plays a very good 2 way game. He is also known for having high hockey IQ, very good speed and good set up and finishing skills.

Has there been anyone seen him play?
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When I think of Murray, I always run into two questions.

Is he going to be much better than a guy like Nick Schultz? And...is that a bad thing?

They're very similar in size, skating and defensive positioning/stickwork. Schultz has also shown he has some offensive ability when he isn't playing in Minnesota's system.

Murray seems like he could improve our D next season and beyond. Dumba might take a bit longer, but has the potential to be a game breaker. Then there's Galchenyuk who could easily end up being the best player from the draft.

I'm really not a fan of Grigorenko or this draft.
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I'd think if you are drafting in the top 5 or 10 for that matter you are hoping for more than a Schultz.

Buttons latest. I don't think he even tries anymore.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
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Side note, I'd assume this year is as good as any for the Devils to give up their first. If they do and you are drafted 30th overall do you consider yourself a first rounder or second rounder?
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Neither am I, too many variables and questions to firmly decide who I want to take anywhere from 1st-5th. Crazy how the draft is shaping up considering the hype it was getting a year ago.
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He's out to lunch on Finn, Ceci and Subban, in my opinion.

Other than that though, it doesn't look too bad to me.
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Ideally, Murray has a lot of room to grow whereas Shultz has been playing for a decade.

that said, I've been sold on the Murray hype for a full year now...so in some ways I go
"Holy ****! he skated backwards they need to draft this guy"...
"Holy **** he just made a pass...they need to draft this guy" ....
"Holy **** he is on the shutdown pairing...they need to draft this guy" ...
and then
"Holy **** he just ****ed up the WJC tourney...oh well...Schiefele and Visintin suck...they need to draft this guy!"
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Agreed. There seems to be a lot of big holes being punched in every prospect that I don't remember from previous years.
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Yup. Last year was so easy.

#1C(RNH), #1D(Larsson) or #1W(Landeskog). All with no question marks.

This year, I see a big question marks for pretty much everyone in the top 5.
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I think for me it's Murray if we're taking a D-man, and if Nail isn't available, then for me it's probably Galchenyuk if we're taking a forward.

If there is even a slight risk of Grigorenko's work ethic, I honestly don't wanna take a risk.
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Unlike you or me, he watches all these players. Live.
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There were question marks for all of those players.
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Doesn't change the fact that anything Burron writes/says is purposely controversial in order to get hits/viewers. Having Grigorenko and Murray so low will get that done. Again.
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This is what is so bush league about the Devils getting to choose when they get to forfeit their pick over the next three years. They either should have lost their pick last season or else they should have had to pick from the start when in the next three seasons that they wanted to forfeit that pick. Obviously this year would be the year to forfeit it.
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Ive seen him give explanations for why he has who ranked where. I dont think he trifles in order to stir up the pot. He is a scout with over 20yrs experience. I doubt he wants to risk his reputation playing games like that.

I suppose it is possible, but it would be highly doubtful imo.
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There are always questions. However last years assessment by dnicks is pretty bang on. This year who is the top d? Who is the top winger? Who is the top C?

Only one that's really a lock is Yakupov for top winger, however he does have the Russian factor and the fact that he just got laid out this past weekend doesn't help his draft stock either. So it really is tough to judge.

But last year, many people said RNH was the guy, we all knew Larsson was the best d-man available and everyone was in consensus that Landeskog was the most NHL ready prospect.
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New thread soon? Title: "Our Losing Endeavor for Whoever"
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Maybe Grigorenko and Murray fall but I doubt it. I think the locks are still there.
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I haven't heard anything about this until now. I don't think it will affect Nail so much, but I can't remember a draft that had so many question marks due to injury.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/junio...akupov_injury/
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Agreed, it's just nuts, I wonder if he starts to drop on the rankings, someone gets him as a monster steal at around 5 to 7, that would be crazy.
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That's the thing. He's spent so much time scouting that the only reason I think of for him to make such weird statements is to boost ratings.

For example, this past summer he did a one-year-later look at the 2010 draft. Hall was #2 because apparently he can't excel without a good centre. Jarred Tinordi moved up fourteen spots to 8. Might my inner Narnia talking but something isn't kosher about Button's lists.

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No poll this time around? I like changing my mind every thread. To show I chose the right guy at least once.

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There were question marks for all of those players.
Not really.

There was lots of talk from fans and talking heads saying RNH was too small and Larsson/Landeskog didn't have the offense.

But, anyone who watched them knew that that wasn't the case.

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DOUSEDINOIL'S 5TH ANNUAL DRAFT RANKINGS


2011: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=915727
2010: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=780117
2009: Still trying to locate haha
2008: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=522745

Disclaimer: I am not a professional scout. That is to say, I am an Edmonton Oilers fanatic that is obsessed with CHL hockey and the tank that is the Oilers. I rely heavily on other scouting services for video and reports on European players. I love watching these young professionals and providing an independent service that incorporates the rankings of other scouts while stating my own personal opinion. Although most scouts are very good at gathering primary data, I find that they often misinterpret it. If you do not agree with me, you are intitled to your opinion as well. Having said I will provide a rational explanation for all my rankings and interpreting secondary data.


Scouting Philosophy:

1. Player Types: Scouts tend to fall in love with certain types of players rather than focusing on top end potential and the individuals skill set.

Example: Tom Wilson brings the size and toughness teams need down the road. Everyone pegs him as the next Lucic despite struggling offensively. It makes very little sense to pick a player who is pegged as a third line winger rather than someone who is capable of being a second line center.

2. Past Rankings: Rather than focusing on the individual, scouts often project the success rate of certain players based on previous results. This is similar to the gamblers fallacy.

Example: Erik Johnson was a 1st overall selection and never met expectations. Although this is true, it has no implication that any future defencemen selected 1st overall will bust.

3. Comparisons: Just because something is similar between players, doesn't mean that everything is similar between players.

Example: Matt Dumba has been compared to PK Subban because of the style of game he plays. Yet, Subban has questionable character issues. Matt Dumba is Matt Dumba and no one else. Comparisons are great but aren't perfect.

4. Best Player Available: I always found this to be a term that people use in false dilemmas. They try and polarize BPA from need. Rather, team dynamics, depth charts systems, mentors, etc all play important parts of a kids development. Some players play better under different situations. Rather, I don't focus on just need or BPA but BVA- best value available. If a player is clearly on another level, you go with the player that is significantly better. However if they are nearly equal you pick the player that addresses the teams long term need.

Example: Its not a good idea to take a guy like Plante (projected 2nd rounder) over a guy like Max Paciorrety because at the time we needed defence. But at the same time someone like Gagner was the BPA but hasnt addresses any kind of long term void.















1. Nail Yakupov: Right Winger
Height: 5'11" Weight: 190lbs
Born: October 6th, 1993
Sarnia Sting (OHL): 42GP 31G 38A 69P, +15, 30PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Franchise Winger
Quote:
The Skinny:
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2. Mikhail Grigorenko: LH Center
Height: 6'3" Weight: 200lbs
Born: May 16th, 1994
Quebec Remparts (QMJHL): 59GP 40G 45A 85P, +35, 19PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Franchise Center
Quote:
The Skinny:
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3. Matt Dumba: RH Defence
Height: 6'0" Weight: 183lbs
Born: July 25th, 1994
Red Deer Rebels (WHL): 69GP 20G 37A 57P, -6, 67PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Franchise Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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4. Ryan Murray: LH Defence
Height: 6'1" Weight: 205lbs
Born: September 27th, 1993
Everett Silvertips (WHL): 46GP 9G 22A 31P, +0, 31PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Franchise Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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5. Filip Forsberg: Left Winger
Height: 6'2" Weight: 181lbs
Born: August 13th, 1994
Leksands (Allsvenskan): 43GP 8G 9A 17P, +3, 33PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: First Line Winger
Quote:
The Skinny:
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6. Alex Galchenyuk: LH Center
Height: 6'1" Weight: 197lbs
Born: February 12th, 1994
Sarnia Sting (OHL): 2GP 0G 0A 2P, -4, 0PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: First Line Center
Quote:
The Skinny:
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7. Morgan Rielly: LH Defence
Height: 6'0" Weight: 197lbs
Born: March 9th, 1994
Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL): 18GP 3G 15A 18P, +6, 2PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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8. Jacob Trouba: RH Defence
Height: 6'2" Weight: 193lbs
Born: February 26th, 1994
USNTDP Juniors (USHL): 20GP 4G 13A 17P, +10, 35PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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9. Cody Ceci: RH Defence
Height: 6'2" Weight: 207lbs
Born: December 21st, 1993
Ottawa 67's (OHL): 64GP 17G 43A 60P, +21, 14PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
- Still needs to work on his decision making, skating and physicality


10. Griffin Reinhart: LH Defence
Height: 6'4" Weight: 202lbs
Born: January 24th, 1994
Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL): 58GP 12G 24A 36P, +23, 38PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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11. Sebastian Collberg: Right Winger
Height: 5'11" Weight: 176lbs
Born: February 23rd, 1994
Frölunda (SEL): 41GP 0G 0A 0P, -8, 2PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: First Line Winger
Quote:
The Skinny:
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  • TSN: TBD
  • CSS: TBD
  • ISS: TBD
  • THN: TBD


12. Radek Faksa: LH Center
Height: 6'3" Weight: 202lbs
Born: January 9th, 1994
Kitchener Rangers (OHL): 62GP 29G 38A 67P, +19, 47PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Second Line Center
Quote:
The Skinny:
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13. Derrick Pouliot: LH Defence
Height: 6'0" Weight: 192lbs
Born: January 16th, 1994
Portland Winterhawks (WHL): 72GP 10G 46A 56P, +15, 79PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
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14. Pontus Aberg: Left Winger
Height: 5'11" Weight: 194lbs
Born: September 23rd, 1993
Djurgardens (SEL): 47GP 8G 7A 15P, -3, 6PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: First Line Winger
Quote:
The Skinny:
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15. Brendan Gaunce: LH Center
Height: 6'2" Weight: 205lbs
Born: March 25th, 1994
Belleville Bulls (OHL): 68GP 28G 40A 68P, +4, 68PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Second Line Center
Quote:
The Skinny:
Comments Here


16. Slater Koekkoek: LH Defence
Height: 6'2" Weight: 186lbs
Born: February 18th, 1994
Peterborough Petes (OHL): 26GP 5G 13A 18P, -7, 17PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
Comments Here



17. Matt Finn: LH Defence
Height: 6'0" Weight: 195lbs
Born: February 24th, 1994
Guelph Storm (OHL): 61GP 10G 38A 48P, -13, 58PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Pairing Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
Comments Here



18. Zemgus Girgensons: LH Center
Height: 6'1" Weight: 198lbs
Born: January 5th, 1994
Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL): 69GP 16G 25A 41P, +12, 57PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Second Line Center
Quote:
The Skinny:
Comments Here


19. Olli Maatta: LH Defence
Height: 6'2" Weight: 202lbs
Born: August 22nd, 1994
London Knights (OHL): 69GP 5G 27A 32P, +25, 25PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Four Defenceman
Quote:
The Skinny:
Comments Here


20. Teuvo Teravainen: Right Winger
Height: 5'11" Weight: 165lbs
Born: September 11th, 1994
Jokerit (SM-liiga): 40GP 11G 7A 18P, -5, 6PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Six Forward
Quote:
The Skinny:
-Excellent Vision
-Unpredictable with the puck
-Unbelieveably creative
-Already consistently playing top 6 minutes and first unit powerplay
-Started off slow but has put up 12 points in last 18 games


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I just came on to say that I'm surprised that so many posters find this to be such a weak draft. I still think this is an incredibly deep draft with probably some of the best defencemen and goaltenders we have seen in a long time. The only downside is the lack of top 6 northamerican forwards. I think their will be a lot of good players taken in rounds 3-5.
It's strong for goaltenders if you're buying into the Subban hype.

Vasilevski, Dansk, Gillies and Subban are definitely less enticing than Hellberg, Gibson, Gibson and Perhonen.

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Not really.

There was lots of talk from fans and talking heads saying RNH was too small and Larsson/Landeskog didn't have the offense.


But, anyone who watched them knew that that wasn't the case.
So there were questions then.

There was lots of discussion about Hopkins not being ready/physically mature, Larsson not being "offensive" enough, and similar questions about the offensive upside of Landeskog's game.

There is no doubt about Yakupov going first overall. Probably the biggest lock for first overall in the last few years.

Most people feel Grigorenko is #2, and after that most people feel it is Murray at #3.

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It's strong for goaltenders if you're buying into the Subban hype.

Vasilevski, Dansk, Gillies and Subban are definitely less enticing than Hellberg, Gibson, Gibson and Perhonen.
I dont agree at all.

Perhonen?

Really?

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It's strong for goaltenders if you're buying into the Subban hype.

Vasilevski, Dansk, Gillies and Subban are definitely less enticing than Hellberg, Gibson, Gibson and Perhonen.
Vasilevski is going to be a beast. I'll stake my reputation on it. (not that I really have one... but still it sounds good to say that. ) I bet he even goes higher than #3 ranked Ebert from the top of this thread.

Seriously though, he just seems like such a solid, mature talent in net. Good reflexes, great angles.. all around package. Love to get him with a late 1st rounder in the Oilers get another one... or if he drops to the 2nd round (very doubtful).


As to how strong the draft is... just my very rough assessment but it looks strong when it comes to dmen. At this stage you could make arguments for maybe 15 dmen being picked in the 1st round. I doubt that many will actually be chosen because not every team goes for a dman that early... but you certainly could say that half of the top 30 prospects are dmen this year and people wouldn't look at you like you're crazy.

D Ryan Murray
D Mathew Dumba
D Morgan Rielly
D Jacob Trouba
D Griffin Reinhart
D Cody Ceci
D Matt Finn
D Slater Koekkoek
D Olli Määttä
D Derrick Pouliot
D Ludvig Bystrom
D Brady Skeji
D Michael Matheson
D Damon Severson
D Jordan Schmaltz
D Dalton Thrower
D Ville Pokka
D Hampus Lindholm

That's a list of 18 dmen who all have shots at going in the 1st. There will definitely be a few names on that list still available early in the 2nd and I have a feeling someone in the 2nd half of that list will likely be an Oiler come June.

It's certainly looking weaker for forwards with maybe only a half dozen or so forwards really riding high in the rankings.

It looks decent for goalies. If 2 goalies are picked in the 1st which could happen this year, that pretty much makes it a solid year for goalies.

Of course it's all relative... does the dmen pool look more promising just because the forwards are so weak in this draft by comparison or is this a truly strong year for dmen? Probably a bit of both.

As always the strength of the draft won't really be known for a few years as all the prospects make their way (or not) to their NHL clubs.

Button is "unique" with his rankings. He's one "rogue" voice so he is always going to have some off the wall picks. I'd much sooner look at the ISS rankings or Bobby Macs consensus list for a truer picture of what the scouts are thinking.

I do think though that in a year with a weak crop of forwards and a LOT of defensmen who are pretty close to each other (beyond the top handful of dmen prospects there are a lot of others that are close)... you are bound to get a lot of disparity on various draft lists.

I personally think you'll see Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Murray, Dumba in the top 5... but the order could be any which way and any of them (outside Yakupov imo) may drop a few notches. After the top 5 or so, the draft order could be all over the board when it comes to the rest of the top prospects. It actually should make for an interesting draft because you don't really know where any prospect will end up... even more so than in most other years anyway.

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Dumba scares the hell out of me.
There's no consensus about him. Some seem to think he'll be the best d-man in this draft. Others call him a wreck in his own end.

Without seeing him play, I'm inclined to think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And that's probably not good enough for such a high pick.

But, again, I haven't actually seen the kid...

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21. Ludvig Bystrom: LH Defenceman
Height: 6'1" Weight: 208lbs
Born: July 20th, 1994
Birthplace: Rexdale, Ontario
Modo (SEL): 20GP 0G 1A 1P, +2, 8PIM
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Projection: Top Four Defenceman
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22. Dalton Thrower: RH Defenceman
Height: 6'0" Weight: 189lbs
Born: December 20th, 1993
Saskatoon Blades (WHL): 66GP 18G 36A 54P, -4, 103PIM
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Projection: Top Four Defenceman
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23. Martin Frk: Right Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 204lbs
Born: October 5th, 1993
Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL): 34GP 16G 13A 29P, -9, 41PIM
NHL Comparable:
Projection: Top Six Forward
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24. Hampus Lindholm: LH Defence
Height: 6'2" Weight: 196lbs
Born: January 20th, 1994
Rögle (SuperElit): 28GP 5G 12A 17P, +25, 16PIM
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Projection: Top Four Defenceman
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25. Tomas Hertl: LH Center
Height: 6'2" Weight: 198lbs
Born: November 12th, 1993
HC Slavia Praha (Czech): 38GP 12G 13A 25P, +9, 22PIM
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Projection: Second Line Center
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26. Oscar Dansk: LH Goaltender
Height: 6'2" Weight: 183lbs
Born: February 28th, 1994
Brynäs J20 (SuperElit): 30GP 2.82GAA, .901S%
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Projection: Franchise Goaltender
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27. Scott Laughton: LH Center
Height: 6'1" Weight: 178lbs
Born: May 30th, 1994
Oshawa Generals (OHL): 64GP 21G 32A 53P, +8, 101PIM
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Projection: Top Nine Forward
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28. Andrei Vasilevski : LH Goaltender
Height: 6'3" Weight: 204lbs
Born: July 25th, 1994
Toplar Ufa (MHL): 27GP 2.23GAA, 0.931S%
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29. Scott Kosmachuk: Right Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 188lbs
Born: January 24th, 1994
Guelph Storm (OHL): 67GP 30G 29A 59P, -10, 110PIM
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Projection: Top Nine Forward
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30. Michael Matheson: LH Defenceman
Height: 6'2" Weight: 215lbs
Born: February 27th, 1994
Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL): 45GP 9G 13A 22P, -4, 76PIM
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31. Tanner Pearson: Left Winger
Height: 6'0" Weight: 198lbs
Born: August 10th, 1992
Barrie Colts (OHL): 60GP 37G 54A 91P, +21, 37PIM
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Projection: Top Six Forward
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32. Brady Skjei: LH Defenceman
Height: 6'3" Weight: 203lbs
Born: March 26th, 1994
USNTDP (USHL): 22GP 2G 9A 11P, +3, 12PIM
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33. Stefan Matteau: Left Winger
Height: 6'1" Weight: 210lbs
Born: February 23rd, 1994
USNTDP (USHL): 16GP 5G 4A 9P, +3, 85PIM
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34. Mike Winther: RH Center
Height: 5'11" Weight: 175lbs
Born: July 9th, 1994
Prince Albert Raiders (WHL): 71GP 32G 24A 56P, -9, 59PIM
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35. Tim Bozon: Left Winger
Height: 6'1" Weight: 178lbs
Born: March 24th, 1994
Birthplace: St.Louis
Kamloops Blazers (WHL): 71GP 36G 35A 71P, +27, 40PIM
NHL Comparable: Emerson Etem / Mason Raymond
Projection: Top Six Offensive Forward
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Tim Bozon is a very interesting player. Although he was originally born in St.Louis, he was raised in Switzerland but he represents France internationally. His father Philippe Bozon was originally from France but moved to St.Louis when he played for the Blues back in 1992. Obviously, Timothé was born at that time and then developed nearby in France. His heritage has given him the benefit of drawing different skillsets from different national programs. He plays a skilled European game like your typical European but isnt afraid to go into the dirty areas like your typical North-American skater. It also doesn't hurt that he is fluent in English, French and Italian.

Despite being a rookie in the WHL, he finished the season 1st in goals by a rookie and 2nd amongst rookies in points. He is a big reason why the Blazers have made the playoffs this year and also finished 3rd on his team in terms of plus-minus. Bozon has exceptional hands, poised, mature and very agile. He has a good set of wheels for the game and a mind that can keep up. He sees the ice exceptionally well to setup his teammates but is known more of a goal scorer. In fact, amongst the draft eligible players listed Bozon has only scored less than Mikhail Grigorenko and Tanner Pearson. Not bad considering Pearson is an overager and Grigorenko is expected to go in the top 5.

Even though he is a goal scorer, he is still a forward that loves the handle the puck. Opposing players have a difficult time taking the puck away from him and is an exceptional passer. Still, Bozon isn't just an offensive catalyst; he can still play both ends of the ice. He is great at backchecking, will battle for the puck, throw elbows and do anything to take the puck away. At the same time, he will backup his style of game. Bozon will drop the gloves given the opportunity.


36. Nicolas Kerdiles: Left Winger
Height: 6'3" Weight: 201lbs
Born: January 11th, 1994
USNTDP (USHL): 18GP 4G 9A 13P, -9, 18PIM
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Projection: Top Nine Forward
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37. Henrik Samuelsson: Right Winger
Height: 6'2" Weight: 192lbs
Born: February 7th, 1994
Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL): 28GP 7G 16A 23P, +18, 42PIM
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38. Jarrod "Iron" Maidens: RH Center
Height: 6'2" Weight: 177lbs
Born: March 4th, 1994
Owen Sound Attack (OHL): 28GP 12G 11A 23P, -2, 4PIM
NHL Comparable: Mike Fisher / Sean Couturier
Projection: Top Nine Forward
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Jarred Maidens is a man amongst boys. Standing tall at 6'2" and roughly 180lbs, Maidens is physically and emotionally ready to jump into the NHL as soon as next year. Jarrod isn't afraid to go to the dirty areas to make a play and will do anything to help his team win. He has a tremendous work ethic, a leader both on and off the ice, and a player that scouts will continue to watch closely as the draft nears.

Maidens, however isn't like most powerforwards. I say this, because he is so much more than just a gritty, hardworking forward. When Owen Sound selected Jarrod 4th overall, they took Maidens because of his offensive, game-changing ability and exceptional hands. Maidens already has a pro shot and sees the game at a very high level. Rather than trying to intimidate his opponents physically each shift, Maidens is capable of mixing it up. This is best displayed through his lack of penalty minutes (Just 15PIM in 75 OHL games). He plays on the edge but doesn't cross it.

Having said all that, injuries are a huge concern. Thus far, he has only played 75 games regular season games at the OHL level. Despite being physically ready to make the jump, he has essentially lost 2 very important years of development. I still think he is worth the risk early in the second round but teams could pass over him because of injury concerns.


39. Phil Di Giuseppe: Center
Height: 6'1" Weight: 200lbs
Born: October 9th, 1993
Birthplace: Maple, Ontario
U. of Michigan (CCHA): 39GP 11G 15A 26P, +23, 18PIM
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It can't be stressed how hard it is for a junior prospect to be playing in the NCAA. Not only do they have to play against much bigger and more experienced skaters, they have to worry about education and working their way up the lineup. Playing against 23, 24, and 25 year olds definitely has its challenges for lanky teenagers. Yet, Di Giuseppe not only holds his own, he thrives. Phil Di Giuseppe is incredibly hard to knock off the puck, has a thick frame and his style of game is very well-rounded.

Not only does Phil possess great physical attributes, he has a great work ethic, an undying love for the game and an excellent set of wheels. He has the skill and speed to take the puck but has improved his physical play this year. His strong play garnered him a look at canada's WJC camp and caught the eye of legendary coach Red Berenson. It doesn't hurt that he finished second on the team in terms of plus-minus with +23. Di Giuseppe is incredibly versatile and works hard.

On the other hand, Di Giuseppe doesn't generally undress defenders with highlight reel moves. He has a lot of tools in his toolbox but generally plays a safe game rather than trying to beat defenders one-on-one. I think his lack of offensive talent might keep him out of the first round but thats not to say he doesn't possess a solid shot and playmaking ability. He doesn't always show up on the stat sheet playing against other teams top lines. Still he has dropped out of the first round after his offense dropped from a very good start.


40. Cristoval "Boo" Nieves: Center/ Left Winger
Height: 6'3" Weight: 185lbs
Born: January 23rd, 1994
Birthplace: Baldwinsville, New York
Indiana Ice (USHL): 4GP 0G 2A 2P, +2, 0PIM
NHL Comparable: Joe Nieuwendyk / Chris Kreider
Projection: Top Nine Forward
Favorite Team: Los Angeles
Fun Fact: He plays the drums and guitar.
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When you start to describe Cristoval Nieves, you can't help but get excited. He is a big powerful forward that has incredibly soft hands, blazing speed that allows him to blow by defenders and a hockey IQ that makes him know how he is going to beat defenders before he even picks up the puck. Why then, is he not a lock for the first round? The answer is one that most prep school hockey players face. Nieves has been playing against a relatively weak level of competition thus far. Luckily, Boo has recently joined one of the best teams in the USHL in the Indiana Ice and could really showcase his talent if the Ice make a strong playoff push. Internationally he hasn't looked out of place and at times even looked better than his teammate Alex Galchenyuk.

As a pass first type of player, Cristoval needs to be a bit more selfish and work on shooting the puck more. Given that he posted 43 goals in just 23 games a year ago, he is certainly capable of putting the puck in the back of the net. Boo makes the players around him better and isn't afraid to go into the dirty areas to help his team win. He is a great character guy and has been described as "one of the best skaters to come through prep school hockey In the seven years he has been there" by his former Kent High School head coach- Matt Herr.

Having said all that, whoever takes Nieves will have to be patient as he is already committed to a very good Michigan University program. It also worth noting that his rights are held by the OHL's Niagra Ice Dogs. Although he will have a better chance to work on his physical game in the NCAA, playing for a potential memorial cup winner isn't a bad backup option.

He is still very RAW at this point and for all of his strengths, he still has a lot to learn. Proving he can develop his game against bigger and stronger players will definitely be a challenge. I also wouldn't underestimate having a friend like JVR in Philadelphia to turn to for advice.


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I dont agree at all.

Perhonen?

Really?
At this time last year. Not now.

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This. It's miles deeper as well. Guys like Murray, Drieger, and ever Bartosak all have the ability to be starters at the NHL level IMO. Their will be a couple steals for sure.
3 guys I'd be eyeing up in the 3rd/4th rounds if theyre still there. Murray, Whitney, Makarov, all have huge potential. Although Makarov is slightly undersized for a starting goalie in the NHL these days.

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At this time last year. Not now.
I dont recall any Perhonen talk until after we drafted him.

Certainly he doesnt hold a candle to any of the top three goalies in this draft.

In fact, I would prefer all three to ANY goalie from last year's draft.

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I would take John Gibson over Vasilevski, Hellberg over Dansk and Gillies over Chris Gibson.

I don't care how talented Subban is. You're just asking for trouble when you draft a goalie with chronic groin injuries already at 18 years old.

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I dont recall any Perhonen talk until after we drafted him.

Certainly he doesnt hold a candle to any of the top three goalies in this draft.

In fact, I would prefer all three to ANY goalie from last year's draft.
I'd take the top 6 goalies over Perhonen. Vasilevski, Subban, Dansk, Murray, Whitney, Makarov all have higher upsides.

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Grigorenko is the perfect fit for this team; they really need some size in the top six to go with Kid line/Hemsky.

Then they can package Sam "Mike Comrie" Gagner for some help on Defense.

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I would take John Gibson over Vasilevski, Hellberg over Dansk and Gillies over Chris Gibson.

I don't care how talented Subban is. You're just asking for trouble when you draft a goalie with chronic groin injuries already at 18 years old.
Im completely scared of Subban for that reason too.

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Grigorenko is the perfect fit for this team; they really need some size in the top six to go with Kid line/Hemsky.

Then they can package Sam "Mike Comrie" Gagner for some help on Defense.
The problem is that we have a lot of holes. In fact, so many that we can find a spot for all top-5 players from this draft. If injured Yakupov goes first, the management damn well better do their homework on who to draft.

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I really feel we should draft a center either 2nd or 3rd overall. It's going to take 3 or so years for a drafted dman to make an impact most likely and even then it appears harder to evaluate defensmen at this stage. I'm hoping we'll draft a center and then trade Gagner in a package for a defensmen who can help us now. I don't think we should waste another year of the kids ELC's coming last and I think drafting a center helps us now more than anything especially if we can move what pieces we have in abundance at forward for areas that need help elsewhere. Galchenyuk and Grigorenko are my choices.

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Is there a Justin Schultz to the Oilers thread? If the Oilers could sign this guy, wow. He has some sublime offensive ability for a d-man and has a well-rounded game.

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Just my gut feeling but I now think the Oilers will pass on Grigorenko. It doesn't sound like he's a consensus #2 which makes me think they go with one of the Dmen instead.

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Just my gut feeling but I now think the Oilers will pass on Grigorenko. It doesn't sound like he's a consensus #2 which makes me think they go with one of the Dmen instead.
I think it's Murray 100% love it or hate it.

A smooth skating D-man who has incredibly high hockey sense, can play in all situations and is ready to play in the NHL?

I think the guy fits what Stu and Tambo are looking for in a prospect IMO.

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