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03-13-2012, 02:18 PM
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cut off is June 30, so soonest he can become UFA is 2014
Thanks....

I don't care about him if he makes the team better.

There are some players who have your heart, and some you want to ride like a rented mule....

I won't boo him if he returns, but I don't think I'll cheer untill he gives me a reason to cheer.

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03-13-2012, 02:34 PM
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I posted this in the thread on the Trade forum, and I'm going to post this here, too, since I'm sure we will see an influx of posters who aren't exactly pleased with the NHL's ruling on allowing Rads to come over waiver-free.

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Apparently not many folks are familiar with Montesquieu and de l'esprit des lois.

There are two ways to interpret a rule or a law. 1) you can interpret it based on the letter of the rule or law. That is, you adhere to the literal wording of the rule or law, or 2) you can interpret it based on the spirit of the rule or law. That is, you adhere to the intention of the author rather than the literal wording.

You have one rule saying that a player can have his ELC years put on hold if suspended for failing to meet contractual obligations. That much is clear, and no one is arguing that. Radulov was suspended for going to the KHL, and the move to the KHL was viewed as illegitimate. Under Article 9.1(d)(iii) of the CBA we can all agree that he is suspended, and that suspension is legitimate.

Then, it gets tricky when you look at Article 13.23, which says that only players who were under contract but loaned to another team in another league may return to the NHL without being exposed to waivers. Everyone else is subject to waivers. That word "loaned" is what makes people freak out.

The only scenario expressly defined is the one in which a player is on loan or not on loan.

Herein lies the problem: a suspended player cannot be loaned, nor can he sign a legitimate contract with another team in another league since he is under an existing, but suspended, contract. Any new agreements are void in the opinion of the NHL. The CBA addresses valid contractual situations. There is no need to address invalid contracts since, in effect, invalid contracts do not exist.

Therefore, it had to be decided whether or not a player who is 1) under an existing and valid contract with an NHL club, 2) suspended by that club for failure to meet contractual obligations, and 3) looking to return to the NHL would be required to pass through waivers. Since this player has no valid contract with another league, 13.23 does not matter.

Yes, there is "special treatment" given to Nashville here as this is a special circumstance. As far as the NHL and the NHLPA are concerned, Radulov is simply a player under contract with Nashville who has been wandering the wilderness for nearly 4 years.

Simply put: this case should be decided by the spirit of the law, not the literal wording. The intention of 13.23 is to keep teams from bringing in players who were not already property of the team. Radulov has remained property of the Predators.
and yes, I just broke a rule by quoting a post from another forum. Sue me

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03-13-2012, 02:38 PM
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I posted this in the thread on the Trade forum, and I'm going to post this here, too, since I'm sure we will see an influx of posters who aren't exactly pleased with the NHL's ruling on allowing Rads to come over waiver-free.



and yes, I just broke a rule by quoting a post from another forum. Sue me
Yeah, right. It is like to tell the Cop that he is wrong.

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03-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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Yeah, right. It is like to tell the Cop that he is wrong.
OT: mods are capable of breaking rules just like normal posters, and they are capable of being handed an infraction, too. If you ever see it, report it.

I was being sarcastic anyway. The rule says you can't quote across forums with the intention of trolling. I guess if I trolled myself I'd be guilty

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03-13-2012, 02:47 PM
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About Rads situation.

He was suspended.
He has the contract with NHL club, which is primary subject and the only legit contract he has.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Now his suspentions is getting lifted and he just back on the team roster.

What he did while he was suspended shouldn't ****ing bother any mother****er.

He could be pornstar, hitman, bum or play hockey wherever..

Non of their ****ing business.

Deal with it as men, opponents, everything within the rules of CBA.

I'll tear every ******** apart who will say something without thinking it over first

We did everything withing rules.
NHL and NHLPA agreed on that.


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03-13-2012, 02:48 PM
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This is great news for you guys. I didn't know that there were even talks going on about this. How realistic do you guys think his return is?

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03-13-2012, 02:49 PM
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OT: mods are capable of breaking rules just like normal posters, and they are capable of being handed an infraction, too. If you ever see it, report it.

I was being sarcastic anyway. The rule says you can't quote across forums with the intention of trolling. I guess if I trolled myself I'd be guilty
Why I can't edit my posts?

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This is great news for you guys. I didn't know that there were even talks going on about this. How realistic do you guys think his return is?
As of today - 100%

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As of today - 100%
Wait, seriously? I thought this was just confirmation that he could if he wanted to. Has he expressed his intentions?

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Quotes from Preds GM David Poile:

Hey, I'd be happy if he was ready to play against San Jose on Thursday...But all the hurdles have been cleared. He would be a great weapon to have. I've talked to the agent. Its up to him whether he wants to come back. It feels like it should happen.

I always thought he could come back. Its our decision...We never even recognized the (KHL) contract. We have the contract. If there was going to be a time for him to come back, it should be now. Everything is aligned. (The KHL) playoffs are over. He can burn off the year and get himself to free agency. From the day he left I always thought he was going to come back to the best league in the world.

I never fully understood why he went there in the first place. I can't agree with his decision to go. We have a binding contract. I still can't believe he was allowed to play. But he was, and we are where we are today.

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Wait, seriously? I thought this was just confirmation that he could if he wanted to. Has he expressed his intentions?
So much smoke that your could tenderize pork.

NHL and NHLPA agreed to let him back. NA agent making smoke, RUS agent making smoke. KHL prez says he will not stop him. Poile is sounding confidently smug.

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03-13-2012, 02:59 PM
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Wait, seriously? I thought this was just confirmation that he could if he wanted to. Has he expressed his intentions?
It isn't 100% certain, but this is closer than we have ever been to resolution of this situation.

He has expressed interest in playing for Nashville recently (Paul Fenton, assistant GM for Nashville, told him directly that Nashville could trade away his rights to which Radulov replied, "No I want to play in Nashville.") His desire to play in the NHL again is documented. His desire to finish his contract with Nashville is documented. The only thing that we are waiting on now is the decision to return to the NHL for the play offs, or to rest up for the WCs.

My view is there is too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

The NHL and NHLPA were reportedly asked by Radulov's NA agent to make a ruling on his waiver status (which they did). This can be viewed as covering all of the bases, or it could mean that Radulov's decision is made, just not publicly yet.

This item was discussed today at the NHL GMs meeting. Again, this could have been brought up to cover bases, or it could have been brought up because they know that something is imminent. There has to be some thought that he will return, though, for them to spend time during a GM meeting to talk about it.

He is having an MRI done on his knee. My own speculation here is that he is trying to get confirmation from a doctor that he can continue playing through his minor knee injury without causing further damage, otherwise he will likely rest.

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Wait, seriously? I thought this was just confirmation that he could if he wanted to. Has he expressed his intentions?
It will be announced on 15th.

Per Russian media Salavat Ylaev letted him free...

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It will be announced on 15th.

Per Russian media Salavat Ylaev letted him free...
Also some of them suggest that medical test tomorrow was requested by Nashville officials.

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You guys should go far.

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I'm suddenly very excited that I just happen to have lower bowl seats for 3/20.

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I'm suddenly very excited that I just happen to have lower bowl seats for 3/20.
Yeah, I don't usually come up for games during the week because I have to work and it's a four-hour round trip, but if it becomes verified that he'll be playing I might have to make an exception for that...

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I just got me a pair as well about 30 min ago.

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He has a medical, why else would he have one? Hes coming back! Holy **** this is sick! The official NHL twitter is now tweeting about it. Its ****ing happening

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I posted this in the thread on the Trade forum, and I'm going to post this here, too, since I'm sure we will see an influx of posters who aren't exactly pleased with the NHL's ruling on allowing Rads to come over waiver-free.
I'm guessing that all or most of the "not pleased" are just fans of other western playoff teams who suddenly are getting very nervous.

On the other hand, the support and well wishes of the majority is unbelievable. Something I thought I'd NEVER see just a few short years ago.

Count me as one who would have glady curbed and whizzed on #47 after what he did ... you can also count be as one who is now ready to welcome him back. (I know ... no integrity) He could be the piece that leads to that shiny silver thingy being hoisted by guys wearing gold jerseys,....
Hope it happens.

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Amazing!

Huge boost to the Preds. Time for me to ride the bandwagon to the Stanley Cup!

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I'm guessing that all or most of the "not pleased" are just fans of other western playoff teams who suddenly are getting very nervous.

On the other hand, the support and well wishes of the majority is unbelievable. Something I thought I'd NEVER see just a few short years ago.

Count me as one who would have glady curbed and whizzed on #47 after what he did ... you can also count be as one who is now ready to welcome him back. (I know ... no integrity) He could be the piece that leads to that shiny silver thingy being hoisted by guys wearing gold jerseys,....
Hope it happens.
Hey, didn't that happen last season?

Anyway wanted to stop and a say this is awesome for the Preds. If/when he comes back he could be a huge boost for your offense down the stretch and in the playoffs. Best of luck.

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I'm guessing that all or most of the "not pleased" are just fans of other western playoff teams who suddenly are getting very nervous.

On the other hand, the support and well wishes of the majority is unbelievable. Something I thought I'd NEVER see just a few short years ago.

Count me as one who would have glady curbed and whizzed on #47 after what he did ... you can also count be as one who is now ready to welcome him back. (I know ... no integrity) He could be the piece that leads to that shiny silver thingy being hoisted by guys wearing gold jerseys,....
Hope it happens.
mouser (a Business of Hockey forum moderator) actually brought up a very solid rebuttal to my claim that the CBA does not view Radulov's contract as valid so 13.23 does not apply. Apparently, there is a definition of "Defected Player"

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CBA 10.2(b)(i)Definition of "Defected Player." For purposes of this
Agreement, "Defected Player" means any Player not
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(A) who, having had an SPC with a Club, the provisions of
which, including the option clauses in a 1995 SPC, have
not been completely fulfilled, contracts for a period
including any part of the unfulfilled portion of his SPC,
with a club in a league not affiliated with the NHL or with
any such league (both of which are hereinafter referred to
as an "unaffiliated club") or with any other professional
hockey club to the exclusion of the said Club or its
assignee;
A provision could have been added to 13.23 to exclude Defected Players from waivers upon their return to the league, but none was. Either they did not think it would ever happen, or they simply did not think about it at all.

I would bank on it being changed. If not now, on the next CBA.

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