I have June 2005 in my office pool as to when Mike Milbury trades Nilsson but I'm concerned he may not last long enough for me to cash in. As a 20+ year Bruins season tix holder and someone who still went to atleast 5-15 a year since 1966 and was there for MM first game (there was a guy in the next lodge over who would yell 'snow shoes' once a game when Milbury was lugging the puck those early years) I can only say I am happy he never lasted long enough to replace Harry Sinden. Of course, he never would have lasted long doing what he's doing on the Island. Had he even thought out loud of trading and signing for Yashin he would have met a similar fate to Dave in Mystic River and thats exactly where he would be at the bottom of.
We were watching how good Raffi Torres looked last night against the Broons and wonder what is the carnage he has done on the Isle? What would or could that team look like? Truly amazing impatience and destruction and how he hangs on I don't know- just please stick around for my pool Mike.....
I have June 2005 in my office pool as to when Mike Milbury trades Nilsson but I'm concerned he may not last long enough for me to cash in. As a 20+ year Bruins season tix holder and someone who still went to atleast 5-15 a year since 1966 and was there for MM first game (there was a guy in the next lodge over who would yell 'snow shoes' once a game when Milbury was lugging the puck those early years) I can only say I am happy he never lasted long enough to replace Harry Sinden. Of course, he never would have lasted long doing what he's doing on the Island. Had he even thought out loud of trading and signing for Yashin he would have met a similar fate to Dave in Mystic River and thats exactly where he would be at the bottom of.
We were watching how good Raffi Torres looked last night against the Broons and wonder what is the carnage he has done on the Isle? What would or could that team look like? Truly amazing impatience and destruction and how he hangs on I don't know- just please stick around for my pool Mike.....
For one UYashin has been really good so far this year. Another thing is I still like the Torres trade he looks good so far, but Niinimmaa although he has struggled a little bit gives us 4 really good d men. Also we could afford to trade Torres when we have the good young players we have. Kvasha is breaking out this season, Hunter has been excellent, not to metion Weinhandl who should be back on the Island soon after his rehab at the Port is complete, as well as Papineau who although not ready yet looks like he can be really good once he gets stronger. Milbury has made some bad trades, but he has also made some good ones, Aucoin, Scatchard, Blake just to name a few.
Milbury has made some bad trades, but he has also made some good ones, Aucoin, Scatchard, Blake just to name a few.
You named just about all of them except the Schneider/Clarke
for what ended up to be Jonsson/Hendrickson/#1 choice which ended up to be Loungo. I may be missing someone on that trade but the basics are there.
But you know what they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
Lets face it ! Milbury has done a pretty pathetic job under normal circumstances. I'm still reeling over the payment he made to get Yashin.
Lets not forget, Ottawa had to rid themselves of his contract and look what they got. They won the deal. Now tell me who else that had to get rid of a contract won a deal.
I look at the Weight trade,Jagr trade, it wasn't the team giving up the big player.
The Smolinski deal we give Kasper & Johansson +
Don't you think he could have got it done for Kasper alone?
How about
Bertuzzi/MaCabe/3rd rounder = Linden
Linden = #10 pick 1st round (Mezei)
Mezei = Weimer
Weimer = Zero
There is very little good to be said when it comes Milbury and his management skills. I left the Loungo deal , Berard deal, Salo deal etc..
out of this.
You named just about all of them except the Schneider/Clarke
for what ended up to be Jonsson/Hendrickson/#1 choice which ended up to be Loungo. I may be missing someone on that trade but the basics are there.
But you know what they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
Lets face it ! Milbury has done a pretty pathetic job under normal circumstances. I'm still reeling over the payment he made to get Yashin.
Lets not forget, Ottawa had to rid themselves of his contract and look what they got. They won the deal. Now tell me who else that had to get rid of a contract won a deal.
I look at the Weight trade,Jagr trade, it wasn't the team giving up the big player.
The Smolinski deal we give Kasper & Johansson +
Don't you think he could have got it done for Kasper alone?
How about
Bertuzzi/MaCabe/3rd rounder = Linden
Linden = #10 pick 1st round (Mezei)
Mezei = Weimer
Weimer = Zero
There is very little good to be said when it comes Milbury and his management skills. I left the Loungo deal , Berard deal, Salo deal etc..
out of this.
Keep in mind that no one knew how good Chara was going to be. He was absolutley AWFUL when he was with the Isles. He was big ad the reach & could hit, but his skating ability when he was here was 100x's worse than Cairns. Also at the time Yashin wasn't a definate out of Ottawa he did come back & play the year prior it wasn't quite the Peca situation. Could he have been gotten for less?? Probably, but it wasn't the type of dire moves that have been made over the last couple years (Bure, Kovy the upcomming Jagr). Not saying that Milbury has been excellent, but he hasn't been awful either.
He got Osgood for nothing which became Papineau and this years 2nd rounder I believe. Weinhandl was a 4th round sleeper pick, Hunter came for a 4th round pick I believe and so did Godard. Bergenheim was a low 1st rounder in a poor draft etc. so the scouting, drafting and trading has been ok.
He got Osgood for nothing which became Papineau and this years 2nd rounder I believe. Weinhandl was a 4th round sleeper pick, Hunter came for a 4th round pick I believe and so did Godard. Bergenheim was a low 1st rounder in a poor draft etc. so the scouting, drafting and trading has been ok.
Osgood was a no brainer, he just had to select him
They got Papineau and moved up a round. Certainly expected around
March when teams are lookign to overpay a little.
Perhaps the team would have been out of the playoffs for 9 consecutive years by now, working on 10 and averaging about 7,000 fans per game?
If that were the case, perhaps the team wouldn't have plans of opening the doors at all after next seasons lockout.
I think you have some questioning of your Bruins ownership to do who have managed to lower the budget which in return has caused dwindling attendence year in and year out. I have been very disappointed with the enthusiasm in the NHL product up here. I am biased but at least I would pay to watch the Isles play at NVMC. The Fleet Center is a disaster.
Charles Wang and Mike Milbury could not have done worse than their counterparts up here in Beantown.
You know it isn't the easiest thing in the world to GM an NHL team without a solid farm system. Keep in mind Milbury had to loan all prospects to other systems with coaches who didn't give a damn because the players weren't property of their organization, etc.
In the years since we had OUR OWN club at the Bridge, Milbury has turned out some nice prospects there. One or two D prospects, and our cupboard will be stocked.
Regardless of who came and went under Milbury, the fact remains in the 2 years that we had an average salary, we made the playoffs. The first year we were one point from the division title. Sather is looked at as a god, yet hasn't made the playoffs with a blank check.
As for the Bruins, where should I start. That organization has been urinating on their fans while trying to tell them it's raining for years now. Look at your own organization before criticizing others.
Lets not forget, Ottawa had to rid themselves of his contract and look what they got. They won the deal. Now tell me who else that had to get rid of a contract won a deal.
I look at the Weight trade,Jagr trade, it wasn't the team giving up the big player.
Yashin was a holdout, not a salary dump, the situations are not at all comparable. Could he have been gotten for less? Possibly, but not for a whole lot less. Salary dumps have their hand forced, because they need to unload the player ASAP so they can stop paying them. Holdouts on the other hand have no rush to be traded since the team is not paying them, and if they are winning there is no reason to rush a trade. Look at what Allison -- the most comparable trade seeing that it was a player of similar caliber, age, and identical situation -- returned. Boston got a 40 goal scorer and a second line center -- although the deal later turned into Allison and a 7th for Murray, a season of Stumpel, a 2nd and a 4th. All things considered, Boston has so far won that trade.
I also have difficulty believing that Chara would've developed the same way on the Islanders. He has clearly benefitted from a system and a team that can mask his biggest weakness -- his skating -- and it has built his confidence so he could improve his all around game. I think he would've been terrible under Laviolette, and we likely would not have acquired Aucoin had we not traded Chara. With no proper way of showcasing Chara on the Islanders I think his value would've dropped significantly, and he'd have had less value than Aucoin has now.
That isn't to say I wouldn't love to have Chara back, as we could certainly use him. I'm just saying, I wouldn't take back the series of Milbury deals that happened that summer if given the option.
Yashin was a holdout, not a salary dump, the situations are not at all comparable. Could he have been gotten for less? Possibly, but not for a whole lot less. Salary dumps have their hand forced, because they need to unload the player ASAP so they can stop paying them. Holdouts on the other hand have no rush to be traded since the team is not paying them, and if they are winning there is no reason to rush a trade. Look at what Allison -- the most comparable trade seeing that it was a player of similar caliber, age, and identical situation -- returned. Boston got a 40 goal scorer and a second line center -- although the deal later turned into Allison and a 7th for Murray, a season of Stumpel, a 2nd and a 4th. All things considered, Boston has so far won that trade.
I also have difficulty believing that Chara would've developed the same way on the Islanders. He has clearly benefitted from a system and a team that can mask his biggest weakness -- his skating -- and it has built his confidence so he could improve his all around game. I think he would've been terrible under Laviolette, and we likely would not have acquired Aucoin had we not traded Chara. With no proper way of showcasing Chara on the Islanders I think his value would've dropped significantly, and he'd have had less value than Aucoin has now.
That isn't to say I wouldn't love to have Chara back, as we could certainly use him. I'm just saying, I wouldn't take back the series of Milbury deals that happened that summer if given the option.
Yashin wasn't a hold out, he held out the year before but was forced back after an arbirtrator ruled he was in breach of his contract and owed the Sens another year. At the end of the Year, Ottawa had no intentions of Signing him so they moved him but everyone in the league knew he was going to be moved and based on his reputation, not too many takers lining up except Milbury and low and behold. Overpay.
He's a fool who gets urges and acts on them regardless of the payment or consequences
Yashin wasn't a hold out, he held out the year before but was forced back after an arbirtrator ruled he was in breach of his contract and owed the Sens another year. At the end of the Year, Ottawa had no intentions of Signing him so they moved him but everyone in the league knew he was going to be moved and based on his reputation, not too many takers lining up except Milbury and low and behold. Overpay.
He's a fool who gets urges and acts on them regardless of the payment or consequences
Without the deal he made then to get Yashin, the Isles would be at NINE years in a row with no playoffs. Yashin was a big part of your playoff team in 02 & last year yeah he had on off year, but was the only one doing anything the last few weeks, and the one that kept the tam from a complete collapse to out of the playoffs. Chara was TERRIBLE here plain & simple. Yeah he has become a really good defensman, but he was absoultley awful when he was here. Do you remember how bad he was here?? Or did you only start watching the sles again when they started to win???
Without the deal he made then to get Yashin, the Isles would be at NINE years in a row with no playoffs. Yashin was a big part of your playoff team in 02 & last year yeah he had on off year, but was the only one doing anything the last few weeks, and the one that kept the tam from a complete collapse to out of the playoffs. Chara was TERRIBLE here plain & simple. Yeah he has become a really good defensman, but he was absoultley awful when he was here. Do you remember how bad he was here?? Or did you only start watching the sles again when they started to win???
I've been watching the Isles for years and Chara I thought was a steal
in the 3rd round. Do you realize how difficult is is to make a move on a guy whose stick extends past the blue line. Tough guy to beat.
As far as Yashin/Playoffs thats not what it is all about. You must have a game plan. does a max of 3 home games pay for yashin??
We are that team that may just make it but we don't have the depth to
say we will bea solid contender.
I think we got that the first time you posted it in this thread
~TL
Just be thankfull that this board is not as negative as most!
Sometimes I wish the Isles would just fire Milbury so I don't have to listen/read all the whining by some Isles fans!...then again...they'll find something else!
I think what a lot of folks may forget is that other teams were interested in Yashin, so this was not Milbury bidding against himself and he did not do badly in the trade at all.
He had a top draft pick and used it.
Spezza was still a few years away and would never have the supporing cast here that he now has in Ottawa. Muckalt was a servicable forward with shoulder problems and Chara is the same defender in Ottawa that he was here when he was among the league leaders in hits most seasons. He has more time and space with the Senators and more talent around him and the Sens are covered better by the media.
When Chara was an Islander the losing really made what he was doing not very noticable to the media (not the fans) and he had some long injury stretches. Plus the Islanders defense in general would always seem to have two defenders or more out in those days and a lot of marginal vets rounding out the defense. I'll never forget the moves he put on Sergei Samsanov for a goal against Boston one year. Not too many of them since, even with Ottawa.
I remember the day Yashin was traded here. Jiggs McDonald was doing the live coverage on radio because it was in Florida and was stunned the Isles did not have to include Isbister, so was I.
And the Rangers did want Yashin. There were rumors for a long time they wanted to get a star center. To this day they never got one and settled for someone who turned them down in Lindros earlier that year. I think to this point that's why the Islanders made the playoffs and the Rangers did not.
And regardless of what we think of Milbury that has to be considered if we want to be fair all the way around.
Yashin wasn't a hold out, he held out the year before but was forced back after an arbirtrator ruled he was in breach of his contract and owed the Sens another year. At the end of the Year, Ottawa had no intentions of Signing him so they moved him but everyone in the league knew he was going to be moved and based on his reputation, not too many takers lining up except Milbury and low and behold. Overpay.
He's a fool who gets urges and acts on them regardless of the payment or consequences
He wasn't going to sign with Ottawa, and they weren't going to sign them, but let's be serious, if Yashin agreed to less money, they'd have signed him. That's a holdout in my books.
But whatever you call it, the point remains, he wasn't under contract and so Ottawa was under no pressure to trade him since they aren't paying him a dime. Yes everyone knew he was going to be moved, but they knew the same about Allison and he still garnered a respectable return. McLaren returned Jillson and Hackett as well.
I've been watching the Isles for years and Chara I thought was a steal
in the 3rd round. Do you realize how difficult is is to make a move on a guy whose stick extends past the blue line. Tough guy to beat.
As far as Yashin/Playoffs thats not what it is all about. You must have a game plan. does a max of 3 home games pay for yashin??
.
We are that team that may just make it but we don't have the depth to
say we will bea solid contender.
Poor management. I could list alot more negatives than you can positives.
He saved his job with Yashin but All the guys that have made it through here, we'd have a championship team by now
Speculation Speculation. You don't know howthese players would have turned out if they stayed on this team, especially on a BAD team. Bertuzzi has become a super star no doubt, however would he haave become that star on Long Island?? Possibly, but you can't really be sure. As far as Linden goes well we could have been able to get more in return for him I geuss you don't remember the cost cutting ownership we had. The same thing that happened with Ziggy happened with Linden in that Milbury was forced to make the deal so he didn't get fair value. Granted we haven't gotten far in the playoffs, but Yashin has been solid in the playoffs not going far hasn't been his fault. Regardless we wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs without him the last 2 years. Other teams were interested in Yashin also. I never said Chara wasn't good, he has become an excellent d man. What I said was he wasn't good when he was here on the Island. He had his momments, but he made a lot of mistakes with the puck & was absolutley an awful skater.
