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03-12-2012, 07:26 PM
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I want Lewis and Richardson upgraded.
That would be ideal. Lewis is a hard worker and hustles, but that's about it. There is nothing wrong with that, however, the Kings need their bottom six to be more physical and/or productive, and they've done neither this season.

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03-12-2012, 07:29 PM
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I want Lewis and Richardson upgraded.
Richardson yes, but I'm fine with Lewis being our 4th line C used on PK mostly. Nothing past 4th line though.

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03-12-2012, 07:34 PM
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The biggest priorities in the offseason need to be adding a left wing scorer (preferably a left shot) and improving the bottom 6 which needs a major overhaul.

- Not sure I like the idea of Brown on the 3rd line. He has been solid this season with Kopitar.

- Penner and Stoll will be thankfully gone from the 3rd line and whoever they add will be an improvement by default from two of the worst players on the team.

- Lewis is a 4th liner at best, like ZS said, he hustles and has a good motor but provides little else.

- King compliments Carter and Richards well, no problem with him in a 2nd line role.

- Richardson is fine as a 4th liner. As is Nolan

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03-12-2012, 07:54 PM
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Lewis can suck it. He can't do anything but try kinda fast.
I vote him off the Island.

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03-12-2012, 07:59 PM
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Hemsky hasn't had a horrible year?

55gp 5g 24a 29pts

And he got 5M per.

The contract was bad yes But outside of this year hes been consistently near PPG when healthy. Boyes' last 3 years have been nothing like his 33 and 43 goal years.

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For me, really hoping LA signs Whitney to a 1 year 3.5 million dollar deal and a NMC(he'd likely want one no matter where he signs). Still a 1st liner and would look great on a line with Kopitar and Williams. Also gives space for the next offseason to reup Quick. Outside of that I'd like to see an improvement on 3rd line wing(Moen, Kelly) if Gagne isn't back for next season. If Gagne is back King could stay where he is and Gagne-Loktionov-Brown would be a solid line. Would be better than what Lokti's had in LA before as a center. Brown and Williams could switch spots.

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03-12-2012, 08:19 PM
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I think Semen would look good on Kopi's or richards wing. Not at 6.5 mil but around 5 mil.
Moen is a suitable 2nd or 3rd line winger. He owuld be Second liner when Gagne is out of line up 3rd for the handful of games he is healthy.
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Semin. Please make sure you get that one right.

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The contract was bad yes But outside of this year hes been consistently near PPG when healthy.
Why pay a guy according to what he did in the past, rather then what he is doing now (when healthy)?

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03-12-2012, 09:03 PM
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Why pay a guy according to what he did in the past, rather then what he is doing now (when healthy)?
I don't know. I believe it was overpayment too. But he's earned his money moreso than Boyes would at what he could get

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03-12-2012, 11:31 PM
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If I were to gauge what salary range this year's crop of free agents are to receive, I'd venture to guess the following numbers for some of the more attractive free agent forwards:

Zach Parise: 7 or more years at $6.8-7M
Shane Doan: 5 to 6 years at $5.5-6M
Alex Semin: 4 to 5 years at $6-6.5M
Ray Whitney: 1 to 2 years at $3.5-4M
PA Parenteau: 3 to 4 years at $3.5-4M
Kristian Huselius: 2 to 3 years at $4-4.5M
Jiri Hudler: 3 to 4 years at $3-3.5M

Of all of the above players listed, I'd rather gamble on a 39 year old Ray Whitney on a shorter term deal. He's consistently healthy and has never been plagued by injuries and he continues to put up big points. The last time he had less than 50 points was back in 2003-04. In the past three years he's put up 58, 57 and has 61 points this season.

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03-13-2012, 01:44 AM
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kings no longer have the assets to make trade that would get us a 1st line winger for kopitar. only way we upgrade is through FA go all in for parise or try to get semin on short term is what i would do.

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03-13-2012, 03:33 AM
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We should try to aquire PA Parenteau. It would not hurt with another playmaking-winger like Justin Williams. He would help our powerplay drastically and has some speed that our team lacks. Though he's not physical. Then we can move Dwight King to the 3rd line where he belongs!

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03-13-2012, 11:17 AM
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Couldn't find a better spot for this but I'm curious...

Why has Jarret Stoll put up such poor numbers this season? What happened? What do you see in his nhl future? Thanks guys.

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03-13-2012, 11:42 AM
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Couldn't find a better spot for this but I'm curious...

Why has Jarret Stoll put up such poor numbers this season? What happened? What do you see in his nhl future? Thanks guys.
As soon as I saw an rt post I knew it was about Stoll.

The offensive numbers are pretty down across the board for every player on the Kings, so they're obviously scoring less as a team than they did in the past. Stoll also was slotted in this season as the number three center, but he really isn't a traditional "defensive" center. He's not really an offensive center either, so I think he was in an awkward spot. He also lost his shootout mojo from last season.

He wasn't scoring, but I didn't think he was as bad as his numbers indicated...until he moved up to second line right wing with Penner and Richards. He looked God awful on that line. He's not a great passer, he's not very creative, and he has this nasty tendency of carrying the puck in on the right wing, fading away into the boards at the hash marks, and floating a weak shot into the goalie's chest. It's maddening when he does that.

He got hurt on the 6-game road trip, and was put back on the third line with Penner and Lewis when he returned. He has played a lot better in that role the second time around. His physical game has stepped back up, he's keeping it really simple (except for a couple bad penalties), and most importantly, he's moving his feet more. That line hasn't scored much, but they've put together some strong puck possession shifts since they joined up as a line.

All that beig said, I don't want Stoll back next season. The Kings can go for a cheaper option who will provide mug of the same (minus the faceoffs, maybe).

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03-13-2012, 11:46 AM
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Couldn't find a better spot for this but I'm curious...

Why has Jarret Stoll put up such poor numbers this season? What happened? What do you see in his nhl future? Thanks guys.
well like every player this year he had an extreme down year....

Actually he is a very usefull player...
He is just a little bit to slow, his passing skill is bad, he can't shoot and has no ice vision.

Beside that he is a fantastic player

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03-13-2012, 11:47 AM
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Couldn't find a better spot for this but I'm curious...

Why has Jarret Stoll put up such poor numbers this season? What happened? What do you see in his nhl future? Thanks guys.
You can ask the same question about any player in a King uniform. Not a single player, with exception to maybe Quick, King, and Voynov has lived up to their expectations this season.

For Stoll, it was trying to adapt to a bottom 6 role, this is something that we believed would be ideal for him, because Stoll was forced to play our top 6 since we got him, but isn't really a true top 6 player, so we all figured that he would be the ideal third line center. This notion was incorrect. He can't carry a line by himself and his wingers have been all over the place and he has cycled through many. Not to mention, that he himself was forced to play wing for a while, which was a disaster because he isn't very good there either. In the end, he is a good faceoff man, a shootout specialist, a satisfactory penalty killer, and a decent bottom 6 forward, but not a great one. He has severe difficulties when it comes to playing physical or gritty and becomes reckless with his hitting and penalty taking. Unless he signs with Detroit, Boston, etc... You will never see the 20 goal, 68 point Stoll ever again. Maybe 20-20-40, but that is pretty much who he is now.

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You can ask the same question about any player in a King uniform. Not a single player, with exception to maybe Quick, King, and Voynov has lived up to their expectations this season.
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03-13-2012, 02:25 PM
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We should try to aquire PA Parenteau. It would not hurt with another playmaking-winger like Justin Williams. He would help our powerplay drastically and has some speed that our team lacks. Though he's not physical. Then we can move Dwight King to the 3rd line where he belongs!
Honestly he looks like he belongs in the top 6 right now.

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Honestly he looks like he belongs in the top 6 right now.
Too much dpeth is not a bad thing. Gives options if players do not preform or if players get injured.

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Yea.

I like his game for the top 6 with Richards and Carter. I say keep em together as long as you can.

I find that sometimes you get problems with too many skilled players on one line and not enough smash and grab simplicity.

I look at Vanek-Roy-Pominville.

That line is EXTREMELY skilled. But they have never had that much success together. They get too cute with the puck, they all dish to each other in nifty ways but never shoot. It gets frustrating. King keeps it damn simple. Get in hard on the forecheck, get the puck to Carter. Use that massive frame to get in front of the net and mess everything up.

That simplicity is great to have. Look what Stalberg has done in Chicago this year playing on a top line.

Or what Matt Cooke does. Not the most skilled players but they complement skill very well.

King has like 8 points in 12 games. I'd definitely keep him where he is regardless of who comes back.

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Yea.

I like his game for the top 6 with Richards and Carter. I say keep em together as long as you can.

I find that sometimes you get problems with too many skilled players on one line and not enough smash and grab simplicity.

I look at Vanek-Roy-Pominville.

That line is EXTREMELY skilled. But they have never had that much success together. They get too cute with the puck, they all dish to each other in nifty ways but never shoot. It gets frustrating. King keeps it damn simple. Get in hard on the forecheck, get the puck to Carter. Use that massive frame to get in front of the net and mess everything up.

That simplicity is great to have. Look what Stalberg has done in Chicago this year playing on a top line.

Or what Matt Cooke does. Not the most skilled players but they complement skill very well.

King has like 8 points in 12 games. I'd definitely keep him where he is regardless of who comes back.
I sort of agree, but I think we should keep him there as long as he performs. It's too early to see what the rigars of an 82 game schedule will do to him. Ideally nothing and he keeps doing what he has been.
However I hope DL does not bank on that, and I hope he brings in a LW. My top four.
1) Parise (obviously)
2) Semin (haha spelt it right)
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King keeps it damn simple. Get in hard on the forecheck, get the puck to Carter. Use that massive frame to get in front of the net and mess everything up.
Works for Lucic.

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Works for Lucic.
Smyth too.

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Shane Doan: 5 to 6 years at $5.5-6M
Huh?!? Doan is already 35+. Surely you don't think that a team is going to sign him 5-6 years at that price. It wouldn't even come off the books if he retired.

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Huh?!? Doan is already 35+. Surely you don't think that a team is going to sign him 5-6 years at that price. It wouldn't even come off the books if he retired.
Rolston signed a 4 year deal when he was 35, and he got over $5M per year as a UFA when he signed with the Devils, and we know Rolston is not nearly as good as Shane Doan. For that reason, I expect Doan to get a raise from his current salary a $4.5M. Doan is a durable player and I could see a lot of teams competing to sign him. He's the second or third most significant free agent that'll be available this summer after Parise. Maybe $6M is stretching it (which is why I put it as my high range), but some team's will go through drastic measures to lock up a highly desired player. Just look at what the Panthers did last summer when they signed Fleischmann at $4.5M.

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So...Radulov might be coming back to the NHL. Nashville has a lot of free agents to re-sign (including Weber + Suter), is there any chance Radulov next year would put them over their internal cap? If so, I'd like to see the Kings go after some of their players. Paul Gaustad would not look bad at all on our 3rd line. Hell, maybe even Radulov could be had?

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