HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Rink
The Rink For the not so ready for prime-time players, coaches, referees, and the people that have to live with them. Discuss experiences in local leagues, coaching tips, equipment, and training.

STICKS - Buying Guide and Advice

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-12-2012, 07:16 PM
  #26
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ponder View Post
Was that a typo, and you actually meant under $100? There are no sticks that cost even remotely close to $1000 (unless you're talking about having a company make a custom curve for you and including the mold fees, but that's incredibly rare). Absolute top of the line sticks are generally around $250, mid range sticks are generally around $100, and low end sticks are generally around $50.
Nope I have just never bought my own sticks. Either bought them from a friend/borrowed or gotten them as gifts.

I've been playing casually for about eight years and am sixteen. Hockey's pretty serious where I'm from though(Kelowna). Lots of stars played junior here or live here in the summer.


Last edited by VerySuperFamous: 03-12-2012 at 07:24 PM.
VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 07:42 PM
  #27
Stickmata
Registered User
 
Stickmata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
I am in love with the Vapor 7.0 in the Stamkos pattern with the Griptac. Great feel and definately a stickhandler's pattern, with a nice snap to it. But Looocy, eet ees espenseeve.

Stickmata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 07:53 PM
  #28
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stickmata View Post
I am in love with the Vapor 7.0 in the Stamkos pattern with the Griptac. Great feel and definately a stickhandler's pattern, with a nice snap to it. But Looocy, eet ees espenseeve.

Ballpark cost? I found one that was $210+tax but I don't know if it's the same one.

Listed under:Bauer Vapor X 7.0 GRIPTAC Sr. Composite Hockey Stick

VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 08:16 PM
  #29
Loyal2TheOil
Registered User
 
Loyal2TheOil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 205
vCash: 500
It depends on your price point. The more you spend on your stick the lighter it will be, as well as more responsive. You get a more consistent kickpoint and consistent shot with higher price sticks due to better energy transfer compared to the lower end, heavier, primarly fiberglass based sticks. Keep in mind an expensive stick doesnt necessarily make you a better player, it may help you but only to an extent.

As for dangles, that's more what you practice, however a mid-toe curve will be better for pulling off those nasty toe-drags but you sacrifice backhand. As for medium to long reach, I just want to say if youre a guy who likes to dangle a lot then a shorter stick will give you more puck control. By shorter stick I mean cutting it down, most sticks are going to be relatively the same height off the shelf. Finally, for good wrist shots and snap shots you want a stick with a low kickpoint.

With all that being said I would recommend 6K/8K/9K/11K from rbk in the p38 (datsyuk) pattern. From bauer use the vapor line (supreme is midkick) so either the X 4.0, X 7.0 or apX in the kane or backstrom curves. From easton you would probably want the stealth line so either 65s, s14, s17, s19, RS in the sakic/hall pattern or a heatley or iginla. I'm not as familar with the CCM sticks, but I know the you would probably be looking for a Tavares pattern from them. Hope this helps.

Loyal2TheOil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 08:58 PM
  #30
thedonger
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 838
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by VerySuperFamous View Post
Nope I have just never bought my own sticks. Either bought them from a friend/borrowed or gotten them as gifts.

I've been playing casually for about eight years and am sixteen. Hockey's pretty serious where I'm from though(Kelowna). Lots of stars played junior here or live here in the summer.
sounds like even though cost isn't an issue, you still want a decent bang for the buck, correct?

if that's the case, i wholeheartedly recommend the sherwood nexon n12, which is their new pro level stick. great stick for the money. about as light as any of the other top line sticks out there but much cheaper. i believe they are the same price canadian as they are for the US market...which makes them that much of a better deal for the canadian market...still an excellent value in the US though at $189 compared to $230+(US) for other brands' top line sticks.

if it's true that the vapor x7.0 is pretty much an updated x60, then that is also a very good suggestion. shoots rockets, particularly for wristers/snappers and is quite light. wasn't too fond of the feel though on my x60...not sure if the blade is any different on the x7.0. found it tricky receiving passes as the blade was so lively on my x60.

thedonger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 09:06 PM
  #31
AIREAYE
Moderator
 
AIREAYE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: China
Posts: 3,298
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedonger View Post
sounds like even though cost isn't an issue, you still want a decent bang for the buck, correct?

if that's the case, i wholeheartedly recommend the sherwood nexon n12, which is their new pro level stick. great stick for the money. about as light as any of the other top line sticks out there but much cheaper. i believe they are the same price canadian as they are for the US market...which makes them that much of a better deal for the canadian market...still an excellent value in the US though at $189 compared to $230+(US) for other brands' top line sticks.

if it's true that the vapor x7.0 is pretty much an updated x60, then that is also a very good suggestion. shoots rockets, particularly for wristers/snappers and is quite light. wasn't too fond of the feel though on my x60...not sure if the blade is any different on the x7.0. found it tricky receiving passes as the blade was so lively on my x60.
The 7.0 is actually a down spec'd X:60. The 60 featured Bauer's best carbon weave, the TeXtreme, while if you look at the 7.0, the carbon weave is much smaller and presumably of lower quality. Same blade core though, but you might or might not notice a different puck feel between the two due to the weave.

AIREAYE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 09:34 PM
  #32
hyster110
Registered User
 
hyster110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 838
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loyal2TheOil View Post
It depends on your price point. The more you spend on your stick the lighter it will be, as well as more responsive. You get a more consistent kickpoint and consistent shot with higher price sticks due to better energy transfer compared to the lower end, heavier, primarly fiberglass based sticks. Keep in mind an expensive stick doesnt necessarily make you a better player, it may help you but only to an extent.

As for dangles, that's more what you practice, however a mid-toe curve will be better for pulling off those nasty toe-drags but you sacrifice backhand. As for medium to long reach, I just want to say if youre a guy who likes to dangle a lot then a shorter stick will give you more puck control. By shorter stick I mean cutting it down, most sticks are going to be relatively the same height off the shelf. Finally, for good wrist shots and snap shots you want a stick with a low kickpoint.

With all that being said I would recommend 6K/8K/9K/11K from rbk in the p38 (datsyuk) pattern. From bauer use the vapor line (supreme is midkick) so either the X 4.0, X 7.0 or apX in the kane or backstrom curves. From easton you would probably want the stealth line so either 65s, s14, s17, s19, RS in the sakic/hall pattern or a heatley or iginla. I'm not as familar with the CCM sticks, but I know the you would probably be looking for a Tavares pattern from them. Hope this helps.
looking at a low end stick you wont need to worry about the flex point, cause unless your buying top of the line sticks your not going to have a decent one. as for a good snap shot, that all practice as well, as i find the low kick and the mid kick sticks preform about the same

hyster110 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2012, 10:15 PM
  #33
hockeymass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 610
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedonger View Post
sounds like even though cost isn't an issue, you still want a decent bang for the buck, correct?

if that's the case, i wholeheartedly recommend the sherwood nexon n12, which is their new pro level stick. great stick for the money. about as light as any of the other top line sticks out there but much cheaper. i believe they are the same price canadian as they are for the US market...which makes them that much of a better deal for the canadian market...still an excellent value in the US though at $189 compared to $230+(US) for other brands' top line sticks.

if it's true that the vapor x7.0 is pretty much an updated x60, then that is also a very good suggestion. shoots rockets, particularly for wristers/snappers and is quite light. wasn't too fond of the feel though on my x60...not sure if the blade is any different on the x7.0. found it tricky receiving passes as the blade was so lively on my x60.
I think the APX is closer to the X60, with a TotalOne-ish blade.

If you're looking to come in under A THOUSAND(!!!!???) then just get an APX or a TotalOne or something. Honestly, I would recommend paying a visit to a hockey store and just seeing what's out there.

hockeymass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 12:03 AM
  #34
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
When I say good for dangles/snappers it's because I'm a smaller guy(5"7ish) and one hockey stick I've tried practicing was pretty immobile but it turns out it was weigted.

Yes basically money isn't an issue but I hate wasting it.

And an expensive stick not making you a great player is precisely why I'm not looking for a heavy stick that would be good for say Chara size players. Using the right stick is important too though IMO.

VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 08:39 AM
  #35
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AIREAYE View Post
The 7.0 is actually a down spec'd X:60. The 60 featured Bauer's best carbon weave, the TeXtreme, while if you look at the 7.0, the carbon weave is much smaller and presumably of lower quality. Same blade core though, but you might or might not notice a different puck feel between the two due to the weave.
If that TeXtreme provides reinforcement, I'm definitely going APX next time around. My X:60 has no business lasting as long as it has.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 08:55 AM
  #36
hockeymass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 610
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by VerySuperFamous View Post
When I say good for dangles/snappers it's because I'm a smaller guy(5"7ish) and one hockey stick I've tried practicing was pretty immobile but it turns out it was weigted.

Yes basically money isn't an issue but I hate wasting it.

And an expensive stick not making you a great player is precisely why I'm not looking for a heavy stick that would be good for say Chara size players. Using the right stick is important too though IMO.
I'm just not sure if you understand the available options. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say "heavy stick that would be good for Chara size players", unless maybe you mean a stiffer flex? Seriously, you should make a trip to a shop to see exactly what differentiating factors there are. When you're looking for a stick, you should take these factors into consideration:

Blade lie
Curve
Flex
Balance
Puckfeel (best to go by word of mouth or reviews on this, hard to judge without actually using it)

Weight isn't really a concern, most mid to high end sticks are going to be around the same weight anyway. More expensive sticks will definitely not be heavier.

hockeymass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 09:24 AM
  #37
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
Merged with the master thread.

Please check the original posts for lots of advice here.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 10:35 AM
  #38
AIREAYE
Moderator
 
AIREAYE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: China
Posts: 3,298
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarick View Post
If that TeXtreme provides reinforcement, I'm definitely going APX next time around. My X:60 has no business lasting as long as it has.
I think this is a pretty good indicator of how TeXtreme compares to regular (3K?) weaves :

http://www.vajdagroup.com/company/ne...-vajda-paddles

AIREAYE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 11:17 AM
  #39
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
Very interesting. So the larger the weave, the less material needed, and lighter weight. That would explain the lighter weight and better balance of the X:60/APX compared to most sticks on the market.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
  #40
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeymass View Post
I'm just not sure if you understand the available options. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say "heavy stick that would be good for Chara size players", unless maybe you mean a stiffer flex? Seriously, you should make a trip to a shop to see exactly what differentiating factors there are. When you're looking for a stick, you should take these factors into consideration:

Blade lie
Curve
Flex
Balance
Puckfeel (best to go by word of mouth or reviews on this, hard to judge without actually using it)

Weight isn't really a concern, most mid to high end sticks are going to be around the same weight anyway. More expensive sticks will definitely not be heavier.
I'm saying I don't want something like that. Because some are less mobile than others. That was my explaination of why I said good for dangling/stickhandling/

VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 03:51 PM
  #41
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarick View Post
Merged with the master thread.

Please check the original posts for lots of advice here.
Bud could you just close this than? It's made this more the mods opinion than anything useful for me.

Thanks to everyone who has helped.

VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 03:54 PM
  #42
hockeymass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 610
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by VerySuperFamous View Post
I'm saying I don't want something like that. Because some are less mobile than others. That was my explaination of why I said good for dangling/stickhandling/
There's no such thing as an intentionally heavy stick, though. Heavy sticks are heavy because they're made of cheaper materials. All I'm saying is you seem to be very unfamiliar with what options and variables exist. There's nobody that says "man, I really need a heavy stick, that would be great for me". Choosing between heavy and light is not a choice you have to make.

hockeymass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2012, 06:44 PM
  #43
VerySuperFamous
Registered User
 
VerySuperFamous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeymass View Post
There's no such thing as an intentionally heavy stick, though. Heavy sticks are heavy because they're made of cheaper materials. All I'm saying is you seem to be very unfamiliar with what options and variables exist. There's nobody that says "man, I really need a heavy stick, that would be great for me". Choosing between heavy and light is not a choice you have to make.
Unless of course it's for practice.

I think I was just doing a bad job of explaining what I view as a heavy stick. One that's more power(which must be more flex) than mobility.

VerySuperFamous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-14-2012, 09:46 AM
  #44
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
It just sounds like you're not sure what you need in a stick, that's why I merged with the big thread. We can definitely give you advice and get you moving in the right direction, but it might be easier if you have the basics down, which is all covered in the first couple posts.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-14-2012, 10:40 AM
  #45
hockeymass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 610
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by VerySuperFamous View Post
Unless of course it's for practice.

I think I was just doing a bad job of explaining what I view as a heavy stick. One that's more power(which must be more flex) than mobility.
Point is, that's not a tradeoff you have to make. If you're willing to spend up to 250 bucks, get a Vapor APX. Light as a feather with crazy shot power. Awesome for stickhandling, great puck feel.

hockeymass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-26-2012, 01:54 PM
  #46
do0glas
Registered User
 
do0glas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,009
vCash: 500
just wanted to ask a question about taping the blade of your stick.

the video i watched first when i was learning said to tape from TOE to HEEL, so the puck will roll easier from HEEL to TOE. basically the edges of the tape are essentially covered.

I noticed in your guide you say to tape from HEEL to TOE as this will create more friction. in this way the puck is actually hitting the edges of the tape. have you tried both ways?

do0glas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-26-2012, 02:19 PM
  #47
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
I have and it's easier to tape heel to toe for me, that's why I do it.

Honestly I don't notice much difference but a lot of people say they do. I actually have been taping with almost no ridges and haven't seen any difference. If I could somehow tape with one giant strip I probably would because the tape is gritty enough on its own.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-26-2012, 02:20 PM
  #48
hockeymass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 610
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by do0glas View Post
just wanted to ask a question about taping the blade of your stick.

the video i watched first when i was learning said to tape from TOE to HEEL, so the puck will roll easier from HEEL to TOE. basically the edges of the tape are essentially covered.

I noticed in your guide you say to tape from HEEL to TOE as this will create more friction. in this way the puck is actually hitting the edges of the tape. have you tried both ways?
I've never seen anyone tape toe to heel.

hockeymass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-26-2012, 02:23 PM
  #49
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 23,533
vCash: 500
Patrick Kane does it in his YouTube video.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-26-2012, 02:32 PM
  #50
do0glas
Registered User
 
do0glas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,009
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarick View Post
Patrick Kane does it in his YouTube video.
thanks again!

it was the howtohockey guy.

I think he posts on this site.

do0glas is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:56 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.