Stupid, but here they are in top 3 of the conference and the last 2 years (this year excluded) making the Sedins look like elite forwards. God, I wish we had the ability to shelter our top forwards more.
Stupid, but here they are in top 3 of the conference and the last 2 years (this year excluded) making the Sedins look like elite forwards. God, I wish we had the ability to shelter our top forwards more.
I mean, it's good coaching, but it just makes the Sedins look better than they are.
Even though Thornton plays tough minutes and has the same amount of points as Henrik Sedin, take it to the main boards and everyone'll say that Henrik is better because he's flashier.
I mean, it's good coaching, but it just makes the Sedins look better than they are.
Even though Thornton plays tough minutes and has the same amount of points as Henrik Sedin, take it to the main boards and everyone'll say that Henrik is better because he's flashier.
I don't disagree that it makes them look better stats wise. I'm positive neither of them get hart or art ross trophies playing the same minutes as guys like Thornton. Problem is, I can't help but feel Mclellan misuses our top guys, I just hate how many top tier players we have to give PK minutes to. I wish we had the personnel to get our bottom 6 PKing more and doing more of the grunt work because as it stands we don't have the players to roll 3 scoring lines.
I don't disagree that it makes them look better stats wise. I'm positive neither of them get hart or art ross trophies playing the same minutes as guys like Thornton. Problem is, I can't help but feel Mclellan misuses our top guys, I just hate how many top tier players we have to give PK minutes to. I wish we had the personnel to get our bottom 6 PKing more and doing more of the grunt work because as it stands we don't have the players to roll 3 scoring lines.
I wish we had stellar bottom-6 guys that could eat hard minutes too, but it's really hard to get those guys. Winnik is one. We need two more.
Hey LW, I have a question. I've noticed that year after year, Patty pretty much always has the lowest even strength sv%. I know you said it's all random and that it'll even out, but the only year since '07-'08 that Patty's had even league average goaltending was '09-'10. Otherwise it's been brutal. Again, this season, he only gets a .903% behind him. Any reason for this trend?
I don't disagree that it makes them look better stats wise. I'm positive neither of them get hart or art ross trophies playing the same minutes as guys like Thornton. Problem is, I can't help but feel Mclellan misuses our top guys, I just hate how many top tier players we have to give PK minutes to.
Yup! Not just PK, but all the dirt in between.
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Originally Posted by KpopandHockey
I wish we had the personnel to get our bottom 6 PKing more and doing more of the grunt work because as it stands we don't have the players to roll 3 scoring lines.
The Sharks are supposed to have that. That's what they've been retooling for years. I can't even begin to remember all the free agents, draft picks and prospects given up to bolster that side of the ice, and it seems to be the most rapidly declining aspect of their game.
I'm fine with Pavelski, Marleau, and Couture PKing, but there isn't really a need to put Thornton out there at all.
I saw Marleau-Pavelski as the first unit, which needs to stay because they've been awesome. They rarely give up goals. And then, to my delight, I saw Winnik-Moore as the second pair, which is nice, and then Desy-Couture as the third pair, which is good. I think Thornton got maybe one PK shift. But it's good to see that he's being transitioned off it.
What's just completely is that Boyle is still getting lots of PK time.
Problem is, who can eat the minutes on our D? Our D is not very strong PK wise.
Oh, I don't know, anyone in the world not named Dan Boyle or Colin White.
Boyle has the worst PK GA by far among Sharks defensemen, even though Niemi has not been stellar behind him.
I'd sooner play Braun on the PK than Boyle. And last season Demers was just as good a PKer as Boyle, and if they're even I'd rather see Demers out there because he's younger and doesn't play as many minutes.
And last season Demers was just as good a PKer as Boyle
That's what I thought as well, so why is it that he's getting practically no PK time this season (less than 9 minutes this entire season)?
By TOI, I would put them as
Vlasic
Burns
Braun
Demers
Boyle
Murray
Murray's a decent PKer (blocks like every shot), but he's not mobile at all, and he tends to try to clear the pucks along the boards (which will eat them alive against players like Lidstrom) instead of clearing them down center. A lot of that has to do with his skating ability.
That's what I thought as well, so why is it that he's getting practically no PK time this season (less than 9 minutes this entire season)?
Because TMac hates him and Colin White did bad things. Point still standing our PKers on the blueline suck once you use Vlasic and Murray (But he's too slow ).
I feel they decided these games were playoff games, and they dressed their playoff team. I think that's how the D will be in the playoffs if they make it. Using White and Vandy if people get banged up.
That's what I thought as well, so why is it that he's getting practically no PK time this season (less than 9 minutes this entire season)?
By TOI, I would put them as
Vlasic
Burns
Braun
Demers
Boyle
Murray
Murray's a decent PKer (blocks like every shot), but he's not mobile at all, and he tends to try to clear the pucks along the boards (which will eat them alive against players like Lidstrom) instead of clearing them down center. A lot of that has to do with his skating ability.
I'd agree with your order, but I'd put Murray a bit higher.
And who knows with Demers. Who the **** knows what beef the coaching staff has with him.
After watching tonights game I'm now convinced that this loss is due to Todd making bad decisions. Sure Boyle made a bad play at the end there, but it looked like his sloppiness was due to fatigue. The 4th line of Des - Worchester - Ferriero actually played really well tonight, yet only had 1 shift in the third period. The rest of the team started looking tired as a result.
Also Todd is putting WAY too much trust in Moore. Todd played Thornton - Marleau, Couture - Clowe, and Pavelski - Moore in overtime. Moore was kinda blowing it all game and didn't look any better in OT.
I didn't know much about Moore before he came to the Sharks, but I do know that his numbers before didn't merit a 2nd round pick.
This loosing streak is due to bad personal decisions by Todd, be it healthy scratches, line combos and ice time.
I agree with all of this. I actually said the same thing to my wife about why the 4th line didint get much time when they actually had a very good game. I thought they were better than both the 2nd and 3rd lines tonight.
is that Boyle is still getting lots of PK time.
